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I have not owned or listened to EP630 in over a year and a half or more. So, my comparisons cannot be accurate in any sense. ES18's quality of bass is better and I'd say it's a step up from EP630 in terms of clarity, sound stage and presentation. But, PL11 has got better bass punch at the cost of a little clarity and resolution. I've read many posts saying PL11 > EP630 for bass, so you might want to ask some recent owners of both.

Both E10M and E30 are better in overall clarity and bass quality compared to how I remember EP630. E10 has more bass quantity though. M2 is another one to consider though it's bass is a little softer in character.
 
lolz.....man the difference is almost 800 Rs/-

now which would be better E30 or E10M....?? for punchy bass and sound clarity...??

also i have decided to go for M2 ( for listening to vocals )along with one of these Sound magic (for dance numbers)
so which one should i get E30 or E10M?
 
EP630 has boomy bass. Something I disliked at first listen itself. PL 11 was much better.

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lolz.....man the difference is almost 800 Rs/-

now which would be better E30 or E10M....?? for punchy bass and sound clarity...??

also i have decided to go for M2 ( for listening to vocals )along with one of these Sound magic (for dance numbers)
so which one should i get E30 or E10M?

I haven't listened to M2 but from what I gathered, M2 is bassier, probably good for dance numbers.
 
psygeist,

Hmmm... Perhaps you should try M2 sometime. I never felt that M2 was a "moar bass" / "bass head" phone. It has much less bass AND punch than most of the Xears. To me, a 'bass head' phone should dig deep - at least in quality like MG7, in quantity like Eterna / Xears TDIII v2, quality and quantity like FX700. But, M2 has lot of mid bass, but the whole tuning is oriented towards a pleasant listening experience - rounded than punchy, textured than rumbling. When I think of M2, I think of forward mids ably supported by the bass, which despite the quantity is softer on the ears.

Speaking of Xears, if only Thomas had improved his build quality and had streamlined model names so that we get the slightest idea how they would sound, I'd still be getting a few Xears every now and then. It always seems like betting in a casino as far as Xears go.
 
^^Is the mid bass hump anyway near to JVC FXT90's mid bass hump because I was kind of annoyed listening to some tracks.
 
Can't say for sure as I have not compared them side by side. Besides, Monster foams I currently use push the FXT sound more towards sub-bass than mid-bass. But, M2's difference is in the character and manner of presentation - a more textured, softer, delicate bump than focusing on slam/punch/weight. It has the 'quantity', but not the 'bass heaviness'. If you've heard any of the Pro Alpha, M1, M2, M3 line, you'd know. They all have the same basic signature generally speaking - warm, mid focused, soft bass, fatigue free listening. For me personally, they are good for a while until I eventually get bored - a nice change of pace at times, but not something I can live with forever.

Dammit! I just mentally counted and I am back to owning 25 IEMs. Once upon a time, I thought of having less than 10 IEMs, but was not bad at all at 13. How did this happen? :ashamed:

I need to complete the following in the coming days:


  • Brainwavz M4 vs E30 vs Pro Alpha (in about 3-4 days)
  • XBA-3 vs TF10
  • TF10 vs EPH-100 (I have my reasons for doing this)
  • A161P vs EPH-100
  • FXD80 vs EPH-100 (Need a go ahead from abhi_jollyguy for the last three. Need one more week ;))

More interesting IEMs on the way.....
 
abhi_jollyguy

Hmmm... I don't understand why you quoted the whole post. Using mentions or quoting only relevant portion will lead to less scrolling to see that one line. Just a suggestion. Don't take it the wrong way :)

Thanks to psygeist, I got three IEMs today. Will post very brief first impressions tonight.
 
esanthosh

To be very true with you. I myself felt very weird as I quoted the whole post. :annoyed: It's true quoting the whole post makes the page longer to scroll :ashamed:

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ok guys decided on SoundMAGIC E10M .....flipkart slashed it's prices by almost 300Rs. from yesterday...:head2:
ok i just wann a know that will it be much different bass and clarity wise from E30.....which i thought of buying but the price difference is almost 700Rs. now..........also over the ear for E30 looks a bit awkward to me.....just wanna know weather E30 is will be worth buying for those 700 extra or E10M will suffice.......(.i will be listening to .....some dance numbers.....and not so much vocal.....with these)
 
The Three Loaners: Dunu DN-18, A161P and FI-BA-SB

Thanks @psygeist. Chances are, if you had not loaned them, I'd not have bought any of these 'phones.

First up, all three phones are distinctly in different ranges - price and sonic wise.

Dunu DN-18 "Hawkeye" v2 (or revised edition?)

I do not know much about these IEMs since I have not followed the Dunu line-up that closely (as mentioned in an earlier post). The build quality score of 5/5 made me expect something extra-ordinary, but it is decent. Better than the Soundmagics of the world with a good strain relieved thick plug and sturdy housing. The cable is not very thick, but they included a cord cinch / chin slider here - something MP4Nation does not care about.

A much more 'consumer' oriented sound with heavy bass and forward mid range. The bass is thick sounding, punchy and well extended to rumble. the bass does not have the best clarity or resolution, but there is enough quantity to take your mind off those things. The mid range is warm, forward, a touch short on detail and clarity, a bit obscured (by bass) on bass-heavy tracks, but smoother, not sibilant as far as I observed. The treble is decently extended, but very laid back, short on sparkle and lacks energy. The sound stage has good width and spaciousness. The presentation is pretty good.

I would roughly place them in a similar tier as E10, M2 etc., at this point.

MEElectronics A161P

A161 is said to be using the same OEM as Fischer SBA-03, which Joker should be able to verify at some point. The build quality is standard MEE fair - very decent all around. I hate the mic. Why not make one version without it - a simple A161? The strain relief of the housing is angled which is nice. In over the ear fit, I do not feel something is inside my ear at all. The housing in black and gold is nice looking and is much smaller compared to the other IEMs I've received in the last two days.

What about the sound? MEE has done well this time. I had tried a few MEEs in the past (M6, M31, A151, CC51), but none of them were impressive enough to last in my collection. A161P is the best MEE I have listened to so far. The overall sound is crisp, clear, neutral and is generally very fatigue free. The bass is typical BA stuff - quick, clean, well resolved. It actually has a decent extension, but it does not have the presence or the quantity in bass in the sub-bass region. The mid-bass has better presence and hence you would not be missing bass here like RE0. The mid range is slightly forward, warm, crisp, detailed and most of all engaging. It is not incredibly detailed like a DBA-02, but well detailed. Sibilance in tracks do not bite through. What I like is that it's crisp sound has the ability to convey energy, the rawness in tracks unlike EPH-100 due to better transparency. Treble is a bit recessed, has decent extension, but does not have the sparkle, remaining smooth on the ears. The sound stage size is average, but the presentation within that space is very good. It does not feel lacking in separation or imaging.

I'd roughly put it above IEMs like Silver Bullet, in the same tier as RE0, XCape, PFE. I think it competes well against them, but I may still prefer my HF2 (and may be PFE) by a margin. But, A161P is one of the better single BAs I have listened to.

Final Audio Design FI-BA-SB (Heaven S)

Everything about this thing is odd. First off, the case was big enough to pack in all three IEMs. Upon opening the zippered case, my eyes widened on seeing those big gold things. My mother who never asks about my IEMs noticed them and asked me "Are these new?" No left, right markings except for a dot in the big joint (I don't want to call 'em strain reliefs). I actually find that dot much, much more convenient than straining to read Left and Right in the Dunu. Big, shiny housings with a vent at the back and ending in a completely unrelated flat thin joint through which the cable passes through. They don't believe in having strain reliefs or what? The flat cable is actually thick and does not feel bad at all. But every time I try to remove them, I am carefully holding the housings because I fear that the housings may choose to drop like a bomb on my feet any time.

Strangely, the FAD is also my favorite pair of the last two days despite not fitting my usual signature preferences. It is very efficient allowing me to normally listen at -40 to -44 on Clip+ depending on the recording. As soon as I put them on (with the Sony hybrids, I've not cut them to size like James444 did - yet!), I was treated to a lush, forward mid range - a mid range that was slightly thick, rich, energetic, dynamic and simply held me hostage for most of the evening. There was slight sibilance (not sharp, but definitely present) when it is present in the recording, which is a bit of a distraction with most modern tracks. In some tracks where the vocals were recessed, they were not as engaging. But, in general, I liked most of the shuffled tracks so far, especially the symphonies that came along. The bass is pretty thick (fine details are not there), has good extension, quantity and punch, but never comes in the way of mids. The treble has more of a supporting role here. The extension is decent, details, a bit of energy and body are there, but sparkle is not quite up there for me. But, I can see that any more energy up top can disrupt the mid range, so I accept that compromise. The sound stage is spacious with good width and depth. May not be the widest or the deepest out there, but it is quite capable of portraying distance and depth. Excellent dynamic range as well.

I think they are very good. As of now, I like them better than say, something like EPH-100. At the same time, I am not sure how they fare against the likes of e-Q5. The AAA battery, I think may have sounded a bit better to my ears due to it's crisper, better balanced sound and more sparkle.

Now, I wonder how FI-BA-SS and PFIX sound..... damn! :23:
 
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Nice.

Dunu has that beveled dot too for left marking. It's just inward facing on the strain reliefs.

I found A161P doing great with some of the post rock stuff I have. Of course, the other IEM which works better is RE272.

FI-BA-SB has L, R marking too. inward facing on the little stub which seems to give illusion of strain reliefs.

E-Q5 is relatively balanced and may not give that wow factor to the listener. It's not that intimate in presentation, perhaps a bit relaxed in presenatation. Sub bass is much better and no noticeable mid bass hump.

PFIX will be a greater deviation from FI-BA series IMO.
 
So, they do have L/R markings. I searched around and they were not clearly visible under my night lamp.

From memory, I'd think e-Q5 would also sound crisper in comparison, better sparkle, better texture and clarity in the lows? One thing that I am not sure about - does the e-Q5 have better separation as well?

I gathered that about the PF-IX. But then, they are 'cheaper' compared to K3003, FI-BA-SS, MH334 :p
 
Yeah, I didn't know about the markings too, until some hours later.

I'd think that at the price point of ~$1000, it's good to try out a custom IEM and rest the case unless there be more craving later.

Taking ear impressions was such a nice experience with Beltone Hearing Aids in Pune. The lady sure was very well mannered and took right ear impression again when UM confirmed that the right ear impressions could have been better at helix lock, depth was excellent on both. Further, the lady there told me that I can initiate refund if not satisfied with the ear impressions. Something which a select few people will be nice enough to offer while others will just keep mum on that. That's pretty impressive service on their part.

Definitely recommended to anyone in Pune who ever plan to ear impressions.

I suppose this track is a good one to test audio equipment, doesn't sound as good in youtube but flac is :
 
I'd think that at the price point of ~$1000, it's good to try out a custom IEM and rest the case unless there be more craving later.

See, here's my problem. It is generally accepted that a custom >> universal. Isolation and greater, better fit are sure benefits, I don't deny that. It is also generally believed that customs are the end game. But, I can't seem to come to the conclusion so easily. Let's see.


  • Average_joe thinks that in general, customs are better than universals.
  • When it comes to Joker's ratings, top-tier universals do not score that much below the customs. A now forgotten Kozee scores less than a HF2 (somewhat similar price range). 1964-T scores the same as EX-1000, W4 (around the same price range). On the other hand, Alclair scores the same as K3003 at half the price, Miracle scores better than K3003 at a lesser price.
  • shotgunshane had a disastrous experience with Atrio MG6. It cannot even be re-shelled, so he does not even have a re-sale value. But he likes his other custom - (Merlin ?)

What I think? It always depends on which universal vs which custom

Secondly, if customs were the end game...


  • James444 likes UERM, but I bet he uses a FI-BA-SS or EX-1000 or even a FX700 more.
  • Music_4321: Those who read his posts know where he stands. He'd say that EX-1000 and FI-BA-SS, K3003, PFIX are to his ears better, at least on par with his custom
  • ericp10 got 1964-Q. Now, where does he hang around? CKM500, FXD threads!
  • FlySweep got DBA-02 re-shelled into a custom, got a Miracle. Did it stop him from being active in the universals area?

What I think? When there is no end game, what is the point of me getting a custom? I know myself well enough to bet that I'd still be buying my ES18, FXDs out of curiosity :p. I will be $1000+ less worth and have a custom which if I do not like have the option of throwing in the trash or sell at a loss - same as any universal. Even if I end up loving my custom much, much, much more than my universals, what would I do? I'd get bored and go for the second custom and a third. I'd still be collecting, spending in $500s compared to $50s now. They will just be another piece of the puzzle to solve on a different board.

It's just a vicious circle. The only way out is like i2ehan - sell everything, get out! That I might still do some day...... :D

sbuch,

While there are differences between E10 and E30, I'd say settle for the cheaper E10. Would suit you better. E30 has better balance, but won't isolate that much due to shallow fit!

Why is over the ear problematic? I wear almost all IEMs over the ear.
 
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