Rediscovering earbuds...

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Let's think logically. If someone has just bought DBA-02, DDM, what do you think his next purchase should be? Customs? But, since the person in question happens to be me and I am really crazy, I bought an earbud :ashamed:.

There's no denying that earbuds suck in isolation (zero), are uncomfortable on the outer ear and do not have a following, except for limited people. But, do they really suck at SQ? Read on....

About 2-3 weeks ago, I had just spent about 12 hrs with DBA-02 in a 24 hour period (5 PM - 5 PM). My ears ached and I certainly did not want to insert anything inside my ears. But, like a drug addict searching for his next score, I searched for music without the discomfort. Headphones? that might work. But, AD-700 would fall off my head when I bend down and MS1i is "hot and sweaty". So, I searched my old drawers for a 'stash' and I found all my ear buds tucked away. So, let's try 'em on. Here are my impressions noted down as I heard them.

Creative: These are the things I enjoyed, I mean really enjoyed for over a couple of years. They have been burnt in over, I don't know 1000 hrs? So, naturally my first choice. Great - I hear mids, but that's the problem. Mids were the only thing present; No bass, rolled off treble, no sound stage.

Sansa and iAudio buds followed up in quick succession without impressing me too much!

Sony: I had bought it probably 2-3 years ago for the CD walkman I was using. There was good quantity of bass; warm mids; Polite and rolled-off treble. But the sound stage was slightly wider and deeper. There's some thickness to the notes, but it sounds very enjoyable overall. Works for me.

I ended up using Sony for most of that weekend. There are certain advantages to earbuds. I can keep them at -28 to -31dB on RB-ed Clip+ at which point they sound quieter than the human voice, probably around 50-60 SPL. I can hear everything and at the same time have music in my ears. Certainly not for travel or outside use. Whenever phone rings, I don't have to go through the ritual of removing and re-inserting IEMs. Of course, there's pressure on the outer ear and getting a fit with them is a bit of struggle. But then, I let go off my constant "problem finding mission" as in the case of IEMs and just listen to music. I finally could sing along in my horrible voice again!

So, I went ahead and bought a Sennheiser MX760 after some reading and consultation at head-fi. I was worried about fakes, so as soon as I got them, I described the sound I heard to a fellow head-fier and seems like I got myself a orriiggginal. Good!

It's softer foams came off when I tried to put them on, so using one of the other bud's foams now. It's shorter cable is a gift to me. You can use it with Clip+ in arm band or in your shirt pocket. I've not used the extension cable at all after testing it initially.

How does it sound? It's one of the most balanced things I've heard. No! it will never beat IEMs 5X their price. But then, you can't pay Rs. 1600 and ask the world in return. There's bass which is clean and has some impact. The mids are slightly recessed, but not too much. Treble is very slightly sparkling and hence very slightly sibilant at times. But where does it really score? Very wide and deep sound stage with excellent separation and clarity. The sound stage beats at least half my IEMs by a mile. It's strength also has a weakness. There's so much air around everything that few things get separated too deep and far. It's like the guitarist is in the next block rather than being on stage. But, I personally find no problems for a "filler" musical experience between my IEMs. It's Purfffect for my use.

Now, am I asking you to go and buy earbuds? Not at all. I just want you to know I am a bit more crazy than you imagined. That's all :P.
 
woah, if i give you 10000 a day i doubt that you will buy a custom in near future. :P

well yeah, earbuds are somewhat comfortable to use if your ear is not shaped like mine, cant use an earbud for 1/2 hour even, really hurts( i am curious to see my ear impression).

yuin OK 1 retails for 230, amarbir had them listed for 10K 1-2 months back, ask him.
 
@strategy,

If you give me 10K a day, I definitely won't go for customs straight away :P. Let's see - SM3, Monster Miles Davis Tribute, JVC "Victor" FX-700 are interesting ones to try. You can also give me your TF10 instead of that 10K money on the first day ;)

Earbuds are not as comfortable as IEMs, but I can manage for 2-3 hrs max without a problem.

@haraakiri,

As far as earbuds go, Yuin OK1 is always on my mind. Sennheiser MX980, Sunrise AS-Charm, Blox TM.5 and a couple of other interesting names are there to check out. But, these are all costlier (except for AS-Charm @ $80) and at that price, an IEM or a headphone could give you better value for money. Might go for one of them if my earbud fetish continues to grow :ashamed:
 
Got the Final Audio Design Piano Forte II and the Starsonic HDSS earbuds and the HiSoundAudio PAA-1 in the mean time.

I think only 2-3 head-fiers at max have the Starsonic (Jant71, me and joker has tried it). Barring the marketing jargon, these $15 earbuds are one of my favorite earbuds. They do have a giant driver size (15.5mm) due to which the housing fills my complete outer ear requiring me to adjust the phones every now and then. But these are extremely well detailed (reminds me of RE-252, no less), slight bit rolled off at both ends. I cannot get over the fact that they do positioning both from front to back and left to right very well. Listening to something like Nirvana's "Unplugged" is a sheer joy - as you can point out each band member and also imagine where the crowd is.

PAA-1 is a very enjoyable earbud. I am skeptical about the whole Audiophile player things HiSoundAudio makes. But this one has very good quality so I got nothing much to complain. Warm and well rounded. Very good bass impact and the treble is not lacking either.

The new FAD Piano Forte-II's weakness is in the bass department. They just don't sound right there. Otherwise, they are the most comfortable earbuds to wear even for longer hours irrespective of having the same driver size as the HDSS. To me, the terms earbud and comfort never go in the same sentence, well, except for the FAD. But I've a tough time handling these - extremely light and plasticky, which helps when they are inside the ear, but not when handling them otherwise. The cables are so so.

The mids are warm, separation is pretty good. It has a good sense of width, depth and height. Width more than the other two. They are tuned like horn speakers as per the marketing speak. From my experience with owning a horn speaker, I'd have to agree to an extent.

These are my minimalistic usage impressions. At this time, there's not a whole lot of difference between the three, but they all are more engaging than the MX760.
 
mukulymn said:
so can i get ur dba's on loan :P
OH NOooooooo! :P

Actually, it works like this for me. When it's time to listen to music, I randomly select my player (though 80% of the time, it's Clip+ these days), randomly select my IEM, randomly select genre and listen for the day. It's one flavour every night. Even though I very much like others to listen to a few of the IEMs I own (that not many others have), I've never been able to get around to it at least till now :ashamed:.

Hopefully someday in the near future, we can exchange DBA-02 and RE-262 for a while :)
 
Listening to Final Audio Piano Forte II right now. As some reviews said that foam helps in bringing out the bass, am trying foams. Without the foam, it's bass is one of the most irritant things I've encountered. It's like there was a hole in the whole bass spectrum, like it's been sucked away. With the foam, the body fills up a bit. But these still do not have much texture or the impact I've come to expect from a $50 Earbud. In fact, it's a bit muddy with the foam on and hollow without it.

The tonality is definitely warm. The mids are forward sounding, warm and slightly thickish. The treble has sparkle, which is much better without the foam. With the foam on, it gets a bit recessed and gives up some of the sparkle. Sibilance is present if present in the recording, but that too goes away when the foam is on.

The sound stage is not expansive. It has decent width, but considering that earbuds are open headphone equivalents of the closed IEMs, it's what I'd call normal for an earbud. PAA-1 and MX760 have much wider sound stage in comparison. The depth is good, but not great. The separation is very good. It's warm tonality makes it very suitable for casual background listening, but it's not balanced like MX760 or detailed as HDSS. PAA-1, though warm sounding has much more bass quantity and impact, much more airy with a wider sound stage.

Despite it's roll-off at both ends, due to it's details, Starsonic HDSS (a lowly $15 earbud in comparison) still rules as my favorite earbud. It's a toss-up between the rest, though I prefer MX760's laid-back, but balanced presentation to PFII or PAA-1 by a bit.

I think that more PFIIs will sell more than many other earbuds due to the brand name and the marketing that comes with it. While it's a decent sounding earbud, it does not blow me away and make me consider shifting from IEMs to earbuds anytime soon.

Update on 1st June, 2011 - with Breppies and Grippies

While "burning in" the HDSS and PAA-1, I've been listening to both of them often. My initial reaction to PFII was much more positive than I hear now (Re-wrote some of my early impressions now!). The bass with the breppies clearly rolls off below 50Hz, leaving a thud in place of a filled note. The mids are warm and thickish. That way, it loses some of the naturalness. I don't hear the distinct notes on the guitar, rather a warm, thick note. The frequency sweep reveals more emphasis around the 1.0-5.5 Khz range. The treble is similarly thick sounding taking some sheen away from the cymbals.

It is a decent sounding ear bud which could be had for $15-20. Anything beyond that is paying for the brand image of Final Audio Design.
 
Very glad to see Esantosh diving into different types of audio gear. Earbuds are very much under-stated . Ive used the Yuin PK3 for 2-3 months for home listening and I liked them more than RE-2 and other 2-3k IEMs ! Dont remember much so cant post any impressions but I just loved the sound presentation and comfort they provided . Smooth , detailed and an amazing soundstage .:D I can only imagine what the higher-end Yuin sound like !!
 
^ True. Earbuds are probably the most misunderstood of all portable audio gear. They are akin to open headphones - good sound stage, but no isolation. The only issue with them is that in a noisy environment, one tends to up the volume a lot in order to hear the music. As I mentioned above, I won't mind trying Yuin OK1, Blox TM.5, Sennheiser MX980, Audio Technical ATH-CM70X etc., But, there's only so much I can spend :ashamed:
 
tbh i prefer earbuds over IEm's lol many people will mock at this but...but the isolation of iems give me a feeling like im in vacuum or something. i don like that :P
 
Okay, pardon my noobishness guys. But are bi-flanges or tri-flanges for the matter are for better isolation or better bass?
 
Pernicious said:
tbh i prefer earbuds over IEm's lol many people will mock at this but...but the isolation of iems give me a feeling like im in vacuum or something. i don like that :P
You will love the FX700/fx500/fx1000 then ! , these are openear IEMs and dont offer isolation or vacuum sealing of any type. Sound wise i find the FX700 superb !
 
strategy said:
You will love the FX700/fx500/fx1000 then ! , these are openear IEMs and dont offer isolation or vacuum sealing of any type. Sound wise i find the FX700 superb !
any links for them?
 
Today, I got the Breppies. So, for those who don't know, Breppies are ear bud covers. A breppy pack costs somewhere from $2-5 depending on the package. International shipping is $1 and it arrived in 9 days time. It was a simple postal cover without any custom declarations or even a From address. For a few minutes, I was scratching my head about what it could be. Did I sleep order something? :ashamed:

Breppies are actually covers that are stretchable and can cover the ear bud and the stem of the housing. They are machine washable and easily stretched over even my Starsonic HDSS with it's mega sized housing. But, I could not stretch it over the Piano Forte II due to it's odd shape. Each breppy is accompanied by a 'Grippy', which are basically donut foams made of rubber.

I bought the Classic pack just to try it out. This is a 5-pack and approximately worked out to 100 bucks a piece (including shipping). As usual, they claim so many things including "improving sound quality". Filtering out marketing speak, the grippies actually firmly hold the earphone in place. I tested Starsonic HDSS EP-888-E1 (large housing), Sennheiser MX760 and Hisound Audio PAA-1 for a while doing normal work. They did not fall out, but the grippies did put some pressure on my outer ear.

As for the claimed SQ improvements, I don't remember their signatures since it's been a long time and did not A/B. Can they change the sound like ear tips for IEMs? probably. But, won't comment on them unless I can spend time to A/B.

[Photos: After my camera battery charges back]​

After a listening session with all five earbuds (no A/B or technical observations, just listening in the background), here's how I feel about them -

  1. HisoundAudio PAA-1
  2. Starsonic HDSS EP-888-E1
  3. Sennheiser MX760
  4. Sony (Unknown model no, ~ 3 years old, probably MDR-E737LP)
  5. Final Audio Design Piano Forte II
 
In this hobby, I do some seemingly stupid things every once in a while. But, something was definitely wrong with me last week even by my standards, I did three such heinous acts of wallet destruction :ashamed:

Out of the blue, I pre-ordered Brainwavz HM5 and I am not a regular headphone listener. The second will be discussed once it arrives. The third is I got a used OK1 from head-fi - something that prompted me to do a thread necro.

I have never spent anything more than $40 (shipped) for an ear bud until now. I have put off buying OK1 for so many months now since it's a bit too costly at $220+. I could buy a top-tier or thereabouts IEM for that price and be more than happy along with good isolation. But, like HD600, which was my dream headphone ever since I started taking interest in this hobby, OK1 has always been there at the back of my mind. It was a risk buying OK1 since I now have tasted plenty of sound signatures in IEMs. It's not going to isolate, possibly has build quality issues and looks so plain and boring. To top it, the piece I bought had no accessories, no foams, just a six month used ear bud with letters fading away. It was high risk, something I normally would not go through with. But at the back of my mind were two things - Joker's high SQ rating and the constant praise they receive from mvw2. It still was a stretch to pay a little more than $100 for an ear bud, but as I said - I picked the wrong week to browse.

Well! I did not spend much time with it, but I'd say it was very satisfactory. I'd rate it somewhat around RE0, nay, Phonak PFE range in terms of sound. The one clinching factor for OK1 is the sound stage and imaging - easily the best I've heard from an earbud. I may need to spend $25 to get the foam pack, which I am sure would be a wasteful expenditure for experiencing "IEM mode" - something many say is not as good. But, I do have Fischer Audio el cheapo tips which can convert earbud into an IEM. Basically a rubber foam with an In-Ear like tip. While it's far from the comfort of an actual in-ear, the sound became warmer with much better bass quantity, cutting out treble a bit. Without any foam, besides the irritation of plastic pressing against the ear, sound is a little bright. I need to experiment with my spare foams and breppies to see how it goes. Oh! I definitely need to try ZO2 with these :)
 
I've heard good things about Apple In-ears too! While I haven't tried them myself, possibly two factors working against it. It's Apple and stock ear buds in general are crap. Perhaps hisoundaudio's PAA-1 is probably the best stock earbud, but can't say for sure without trying the Apple.
 
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