Graphic Cards RV560 / RV570 News Thread

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Tentative Specs

RV560

  • 8 ROP units

    [*]8 Pixels per clock

    [*]24 Pixel Shader ALUs

    [*]4 Vertex Shader units

    [*]8 Texture Memory Units


RV570

  • 12 ROP and 12 units (12 pixel/textures per clock)

    [*]36 Pixel Shader ALU's

    [*]6 Vertex Shaders

    [*]Clock speeds - 650 or even a 700MHz


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ATI prepares X1700 series

80 nanomtre GPUs coming in Q3


ATI IS READYING a further onslaught in its increasinly vicious battle with Nvidia for market share.

And so it's readying some further introductions later this year. The first chip, the RV560, features eight ROP units and is capable of pushing out eight pixels per clock, which is double the number of the current X1600 (RV530).

The number of Pixel Shader ALUs (arithmetical logical units) will also get a boost, and the RV560 will feature 24 of them, with four Vertex Shader units. The number of Texture Memory Units (TMU's) has also been raised from four to eight, since there is no logical reason to have fewer textures than pixels per clock.

The second chip, the RV570 will truly be a mainstream monster, which should give Nvidia a headache. The chip is scheduled to have 12 ROP and 12 units (12 pixel/textures per clock), 36 Pixel Shader ALU's and six Vertex Shaders. Clock speeds are not defined, but you can expect 650 or even a 700MHz GPU clock for the X1700XT part. It all depends on yields.

ATI's 80 nanometre mainstream parts are almost certain to be named X1700, although we have no confirmation about the suffixes used for two different chips. We know that two RV570 based models are likely to be named X1700XL and X1700XT, while the RV560 will find itself in the X1700Pro range. Unless the company pulls out an X1500 moniker to differentiate the two - and it would be interesting to see X1500 outperforming X1600 by a mile. At the same time, X1300 will occupy the low-end, and the X1600 should slowly fade away to leave room for different clocked RV560/570 parts.

But first, the time approaches for the launch of X1900XL, a successor to X1800XL, also known as "the quiet X1800 board". As you may guess, nothing has changed from its faster brother - we're talking about 16 ROP units, 48 Pixel Shader and eight Vertex Shader ALU chips with the GPU clock speed ranging between 500 and 560MHz. Memory used in this value-friendly product will be Samsung or Infineon 1.4ns GDDR-3 modules, which will result in memory clocks ranging from 600 to 695MHz so expect either 1200 or 1360/1390MHz.

The price of the board is similar to the 7900GT, hovering around $299. The board however, will be pretty expensive to make, so don't expect to see many happy faces on the booths of ATI partners during the Taiwanese Computex show. This "high-end mainstream" should buy enough time for ATi to prepare its 80nm die-shrink, which we hear is more than a die shrink. ATI is obviously mulling Nvidia's G70>G71 style.

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Please add any X1700 Related News to this thread, thanks.
 
Q3 introduction is sad. ATi have nothing competitive in the value mainstream segment, and the current X1600 series are pretty bad too :(
 
^^ I wouldnt term it so bad. the only range they dont have a good reach is between 130-150 $..
As X1600 pro at 130$ seems ok, and you havent been keeping track of X850XT 's prices which are well below 200$ now ;)
 
Nvidia is 90, ATI goes for 80

JUST weeks after Nvdia finally managed to move to 90 nanometres, ATI has released its plans to shrink its dies to 80 nanometres. We already talked about R580+, RV560 and RV570 and now it is the time to write about the entry level RV516 chip. It is again an 80 nanometre shrink and will be the RV515 chip.



We have to remind you that this chip has been a great seller for ATI and this chip actually gives Nvidia's 6200 and especially the 7300 really hard time. It is just selling better as the price is right and the market accepts it.

RV516 will be even more profitable for ATI as the chip tends to be roughly 20 percent smaller and therefore cheaper. It will end up cheaper if the yields are good, but there is a good chance that for some time you will be able to buy both RV515 also known as X1300 generation and the new 80 nanometre RV516.

Those chips should be ready around Computex, June time and samples should be out in May.
 
Aces170 said:
I wouldnt term it so bad. the only range they dont have a good reach is between 130-150 $..

As X1600 pro at 130$ seems ok, and you havent been keeping track of X850XT 's prices which are well below 200$ now

I believe only the X1600XT parts are 'competitive' enough but are again in the upper 150~160$ price range, ideally they should be in the lower 129$ segment. nVidia's 7600 parts completely thrash it at the current price point. The problem is that there's a huge gap between the X1600XT and the next higher-up part the X1800GTO both in terms of pricing and performance.

As for the X850XT, quite true that the prices are very low.. but i'm sure people would like to invest into hardware with SM3.0 support atleast now. Its a bit of a toss-up, choose raw performance with the X850 series without SM3.0 or go fr the X1600 series with SM 3.0 but severely lacking in performance.
 
Neither ATI Technologies, nor Nvidia Corp. are expected to release full lineups of their DirectX 10-compatible graphics processing units (GPUs) this year, which is why both companies are very likely to introduce higher-performance chips that belong to current generation of products this autumn.

ATI, which is expected to release its code-named R600 GPU late this year or early next, is preparing a breed of new chips based on the X1000 micro-architecture for its fall product lineup refresh, according to sources close to the company. In addition, ATI is projected to quietly roll-out less expensive versions of the current products. The new chips will serve high-end, performance-mainstream, mainstream and entry-level markets, providing either new levels of performance, or much lower pricing compared to today.

For the high-end market ATI is projected to release its code-named R580+ design, which will feature the same Radeon X1900 XTX chip, but now equipped with GDDR4 memory at higher clock-speeds compared to today’s GDDR3. The GPU’s memory controller will be reprogrammed to handle higher clock-speeds and the whole R580+ design will allow ATI to test the GDDR4 memory ahead of its broad deployment in the next-generations of products. The product may be approximately 15% faster compared to the current flagship offering from the company.

For the performance-mainstream market the company will offer its code-named RV570 graphics chip with 36 pixel shader processors, 12 texture units and 256-bit memory bus. The product will be branded as the Radeon X1900 GTO and will be targeted at below $299 segment. The RV570 is planned to be released commercially for back-to-school season.

The mainstream market will also see a new high-performance chip code-named RV560, which will be branded as the Radeon X1700-series and will cost up to $199. This part is expected to feature 24 pixel shader processors, 8 texture units and 128-bit memory bus. In order to minimize the cost of the chip, ATI is likely to use TSMC’s 80nm process technology for its manufacturing. Mass launch of the Radeon X1700 is scheduled during the back-to-school season.

In summer ATI will also make another aggressive attempt to reduce the costs of its Radeon X1600-series product family. Sources with knowledge of the matter indicated that there are chips code-named RV535 and RV536 in the roadmap, which are expected to be made using TSMC’s 80nm process technology and UMC’s 90nm fabrication process, both are much less expensive compared to TSMC’s 90nm manufacturing process. The specs of the Radeon X1600-series product will remain the same as today, but new manufacturing processes will allow ATI to set more aggressive pricing on those components.

Additionally, the Radeon X1300-series family will be updated with the code-named RV516 chip, which is produced at UMC’s 90nm nodes, and which will have 32-bit memory bus option (current Radeon X1300 only support 64-bit and 128-bit memory bus).

Officials from ATI Technologies did not comment on the news-story.

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Also check out : http://www.techenclave.com/forums/atis-r580-and-rv516-90nm-after-69738.html
 
ATI changes its roadmap

ATI decided to change quite a few things in its roadmap. Just as we announced it won’t release Radeon X1900 GTO cards by the end of the month it will rather push this product much further after Computex.

The reason is simple, it will change the chip on Radeon X1900 GTO. ATI will of course claim that it rather changed the branding of those cards but we confirmed that the new Radeon X1900 GTO has RV570 chip instead of R580. This also implies that we have to wait for RV570 chip production, which is scheduled for after Computex to see those cards.

There is a new card around the corner and ATI calls it Radeon X1900 GT. This card will use R580 chip and this is what we used to call Radeon X1900 GTO. A big disappointment for upgrade and retail market is that you won’t be able to buy this card at your local store or etail chain. This is a System integrator and OEM product only.

Radeon X1800 GTO will stay the fastest ATI card available till the end of the summer.
 
Haha yea even i thought the same thing at first, i hope they actually meant between the GTO's, this is the inq after all :bleh:
 
WE DON'T know the exact reason but we did learn that ATI might have a yield problem with its upcoming 80 nanometre process.

The chip-maker was supposed to transition its mainstream and entry-level chippery to this smaller marchitecture but it won't happen by Computex as originally expected.

So, RV535, ATIs 80-nanometre mainstream part, RV560, ATIs 80-nanometre performance part and RV570, ATIs other 80-nanometre performance part are delayed at least till end of summer, we think September at the earliest.

It has to be about the yields. And it seems ATI will have to keep its R520, Radeon X1800 GTO and upcoming Radeon X1900 GT, breathing for a few months more than it originally planned.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=31492
 
ATI’s upcoming RV560 and RV570 will find its way into single-board, dual-GPU CrossFire configurations. Since the GPU cores have integrated composite engines, the cards are capable of Crossfire support directly on the card.

ATI is recommending to its AIB partners that the new 80nm mainstream and value parts will be joined together on a single PCB with a PLX Technology ExpressLane PEX 8532 PCI Express bridge chip. This bridge chip is currently used on ATI Gemini graphics cards such as the GeCube dual X1600 graphics card. The bridge chip itself is nearly the same size as the GPU but only draws approximately 7.38 watts. Preliminary boards show the PEX 8532 heatsink-less which isn’t surprising considering its low power draw.

On Gemini graphics boards the PEX 8532 bridge chip (PDF) takes one PCI Express x16 interface and divides the bandwidth in half. This allocates eight PCI Express lanes to each GPU similar to how some motherboards divide sixteen PCI Express lanes across two slots on Intel, lower end SLI and CrossFire motherboards. As the PEX 8532 is a generic PCI Express switch it can be used for other implementations besides graphics switching also.

DailyTech has learned Hightech Information Systems (HIS) has dual RV570 products in the pipeline using the PEX 8352 bridge chip. Although RV570 won’t necessarily offer as much horsepower as a Radeon X1900XT, Gemini variants will be able to dedicate one RV570 GPU to physics processing; essentially one GPU can be used for graphics while the second can be used for physics or graphics. Additionally, up to four DVI outputs can be used per card with the help of twin DMS59 interfaces.

ATI’s 80nm RV560 and RV570 are expected to arrive in August and September.
DailyTech - ATI's Single-PCB Dual-GPU Plans
 
HIS (Hightech Information System) announced another single-slot dual GPU solution, model HIS X1600 Gemini. The card is developed for the upcoming ATi RV560/RV570 and RV530 Pro is used to testing purpose. The new RV560 and RV570 80nm parts will launch in August and integrate the CrossFire compositing logic onboard, so that will make CrossFire master cards obsolete, as usual accelerators will be able to work together. The card uses an onboard chip to split the PCIe x16 into two x8 parts, to provide bandwith for both GPUs.
techPowerUp! News :: HIS develops dual RV530 single slot solution
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In today's Q3 financial results for the 2006 financial year, ATI hinted that RV560 and RV570 -- their upcoming new mid-range desktop parts -- are a little late. Talking about discrete desktop GPU sales, ATI spoke of inventory hangover and lateness on products hurting them in the $150-250 price range, although they were bullish on initial 80nm product yields.

Putting that together, it seems ATI were referencing RV560 and RV570. More than ever, they'll be keen to use those new chips to displace use of high-end GPU dies in lower-end SKUs, something they've had to do to fight NVIDIA in the mid-range. RV530-powered Radeon X1600 hasn't done what they'd hoped in the lower end of that pricing space.

Sticking with 80nm die production, they confirmed that an 80nm northbridge product was up and running in the lab, and indeed was up and running within hours of first silicon coming back, showing their northbridge core logic team is continuing to execute as it has in recent times.

Other noteworthy comments include Conroe being strong for them in terms of OEM interest in supporting core logic, including Crossfire SKUs, and that SB600 is doing well to increase business.

As far as the recent aquisitions of Bitboys and XGI go, ATI confirmed a total payment of $37.2M USD combined. XGI didn't cost much, then!

Overall, today's conference call put across a message that things are moving slowly in the desktop and notebook spaces, somewhat traditionally at this time of year, and that things are expected to pick up as ATI approach FY Q1 2007.
 
ATI's RV570XT becomes the X1900 GT

ATI'S UPCOMING RV570 variation will end up branded as the Radeon X1900 GT.

The firm is currently shipping X1900 GT cards based on R580 chips that have the pipelines crippled but the card based on RV570 XT will be far cheaper to produce.

ATI is likley to confuse the market with the current plan and we think it will find a way to differentiate the old X1900 GT and the new one, so there might be some more numbers or letters added on.

The cards are codenamed Hellfire 1 and Hellfire 2 and will run at 600 or 650MHz core, depending on the SKU, while the memory will run at 1100MHz. The Hellfire 2 uses GDDR 3 memory with a 256-bit memory interface and its memory runs faster than on Hellfire 1.

Hellfire 2, Radeon X1900GT at 650MHz core and 1100MHz memory is the replacement for Radeon X1900XT that is supposed to phase out slowly.

Hellfire 1 has eight layers PCB and also uses 600 to 650MHz core clock but its memory works at 800MHz and it will probably target the more mainstream market. Both cards are PCIe and support two Dual DVI ports and AVIVO marchitecture.

Production should start in September and we believe they should be available in October time.
 
WHEN WE PUBLISHED the picture of MSI's RX1900GT- here, we couldn't help but think about similarities to the Radeon X1800XL and Radeon X1900, albeit without any king-size coolers.

Our readers noticed that as well - and it didn't take long before we received a picture of original R570 reference design, manufactured in ATI's small SMT line in Canada.

The reference design is still the same size as X1800/X1900 series, but comes with some tweaks to lower the price of the product. We still see the ancient Rage Theater (sic) ViVo chip, which debuted in the world around eight years ago, and still is an often seen feature on ViVo boards. Sadly, this author has a preference for the Rage Theater (sic) 200 chip instead, but it obviously isn't cheap enough to manufacture.

As you can see, the right side of the PCB has a 6-pin PEG (PCI Express Graphics) connector, and the voltage regulator part has been cleaned due to less power consumption of the chip. However, the size of the die is still huge, and judging by my first check-up, it's not much smaller than R580. It seems to us that the size of caches inside the chip enlarged, or ATI may have a trick or two up its corporate sleevies.

There is also a mysterious connector on the top left side of the PCB. At first, it reminds us of an SLI-style connector for the PCB Bridge, but it could be actually a connector for the second PCB, containing optional HDMI or DisplayPort connectors. For what we know now, it is for a TBD feature (To Be Decided).

So, once the product comes to the market, you will be able to pick what kind of design you want. It's obvious that MSI and similar products pack more overclocking potential, since the X1900 PCB was designed for 600 MHz+ GPU clock. But still, reference designs have their hidden charms.
ATI R570 has a mystery connector
 
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