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ATI’s New Performance-Mainstream Offerings Near Introduction.
ATI Validates RV535, RV560, RV570 Chips with PCI-SIG
ATI Technologies, a leading supplier of discrete graphics components, has validated its next-generation mainstream graphics processing units (GPUs) with PCI Express Special Interest Group, which supervises the standard. Usually the chips get validated when they are production ready.
The recent updates in the PCI Express Integrator’s List include ATI’s chips code-named RV535, RV560 and RV570. The former is an incarnation of the Radeon X1600-series produced using 90nm production technology at UMC, whereas the rest two are expected to be the new performance-mainstream and mainstream offerings from ATI.
The code-named RV570 graphics chip is expected to feature 36 pixel shader processors, 12 texture units and 256-bit memory bus. The product will target performance-mainstream market and will be branded as the Radeon X1900-series and will be targeted at below $299 segment. The mainstream market will see a new chip code-named RV560, which will be branded as the Radeon X1700-series and will cost up to $199. This part is expected to feature 24 pixel shader processors, 8 texture units and 128-bit memory bus. In order to minimize the cost of the chip, ATI is likely to use TSMC’s 80nm process technology for its manufacturing, even though it is not yet confirmed.
This PCI-SIG Integrators List includes all products that have a complete and satisfactory PCI Compliance Checklist on file at PCI-SIG, have passed the test criteria set forth at the PCI Compliance Workshops and are production ready. It should be noted that RV535 chips are already on the market working on Radeon X1650 Pro graphics boards.
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X-bit labs - Hardware news - ATI’s New Performance-Mainstream Offerings Near Introduction.
ATI Validates RV535, RV560, RV570 Chips with PCI-SIG
ATI Technologies, a leading supplier of discrete graphics components, has validated its next-generation mainstream graphics processing units (GPUs) with PCI Express Special Interest Group, which supervises the standard. Usually the chips get validated when they are production ready.
The recent updates in the PCI Express Integrator’s List include ATI’s chips code-named RV535, RV560 and RV570. The former is an incarnation of the Radeon X1600-series produced using 90nm production technology at UMC, whereas the rest two are expected to be the new performance-mainstream and mainstream offerings from ATI.
The code-named RV570 graphics chip is expected to feature 36 pixel shader processors, 12 texture units and 256-bit memory bus. The product will target performance-mainstream market and will be branded as the Radeon X1900-series and will be targeted at below $299 segment. The mainstream market will see a new chip code-named RV560, which will be branded as the Radeon X1700-series and will cost up to $199. This part is expected to feature 24 pixel shader processors, 8 texture units and 128-bit memory bus. In order to minimize the cost of the chip, ATI is likely to use TSMC’s 80nm process technology for its manufacturing, even though it is not yet confirmed.
This PCI-SIG Integrators List includes all products that have a complete and satisfactory PCI Compliance Checklist on file at PCI-SIG, have passed the test criteria set forth at the PCI Compliance Workshops and are production ready. It should be noted that RV535 chips are already on the market working on Radeon X1650 Pro graphics boards.
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X-bit labs - Hardware news - ATI’s New Performance-Mainstream Offerings Near Introduction.
ATI HAS a new Crossfire interface. We already wrote about it but we can add that you will be able to buy it starting from October 17th.
That is the launch date of long-delayed Radeon X1950 PRO a chip that you used to know as RV570.
The suggested retail price should sit between $229 and $249 but we are sure it will drop fast to $199. The cards have new dual-rail Crossfire interface where the cards can send and receive data at the same time. Using the rival SLI, you have to send, wait and receive data but cannot do both at the same time.
This is the first new chip from ATI that uses a 80 nanometre process and it should be slightly cooler and smaller than previous ones. ATI made a mess of its roadmap but we know that it is set to replace not-so-great-seller X1900GT card. It will be better performance for roughly the same money.
The chips and cards are ready. µ
Source : Radeon 1950 PRO launch on October 17th
That is the launch date of long-delayed Radeon X1950 PRO a chip that you used to know as RV570.
The suggested retail price should sit between $229 and $249 but we are sure it will drop fast to $199. The cards have new dual-rail Crossfire interface where the cards can send and receive data at the same time. Using the rival SLI, you have to send, wait and receive data but cannot do both at the same time.
This is the first new chip from ATI that uses a 80 nanometre process and it should be slightly cooler and smaller than previous ones. ATI made a mess of its roadmap but we know that it is set to replace not-so-great-seller X1900GT card. It will be better performance for roughly the same money.
The chips and cards are ready. µ
Source : Radeon 1950 PRO launch on October 17th
ATI Radeon X1950 Pro: CrossFire Done Right
The Test
We are using the same Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 setup for this article that we've been using over the past couple months. Driver revisions haven't changed since our 7950 GT article, and we will be looking at the same three resolutions: 1280x1024, 1600x1200 and 1920x1440. Here's the breakdown of the hardware used:
As much as we would like to end this review of a solid product on a high note, we've got to drive home the point that significantly decreasing the specs of a product after it ships is simply not acceptable. The fact that ATI would drop the core clock speed of the X1900 GT by 11% and raise the memory clock by 10% to try to hide the difference is not something we want to see happen. There will be a performance difference between the new and old parts, and not changing the name on the box is simply dishonest. At least ATI has delivered a solid product in the X1950 Pro. Hopefully it'll stay that way throughout its life cycle
Anandtech
The Test
We are using the same Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 setup for this article that we've been using over the past couple months. Driver revisions haven't changed since our 7950 GT article, and we will be looking at the same three resolutions: 1280x1024, 1600x1200 and 1920x1440. Here's the breakdown of the hardware used:
As much as we would like to end this review of a solid product on a high note, we've got to drive home the point that significantly decreasing the specs of a product after it ships is simply not acceptable. The fact that ATI would drop the core clock speed of the X1900 GT by 11% and raise the memory clock by 10% to try to hide the difference is not something we want to see happen. There will be a performance difference between the new and old parts, and not changing the name on the box is simply dishonest. At least ATI has delivered a solid product in the X1950 Pro. Hopefully it'll stay that way throughout its life cycle
Anandtech
Power Color X1950PRO beats 7900 GS except in OpenGL
We compared two cards one from Nvidia Geforce 7900 GS at its reference clock of 450/1320MHz as it sits in the same price range and the PowerColor card.
In Doom 3 7900 GS ends up a bit faster at 10x7 but the performance difference increase at higher resolutions. Geforce cards can handle OpenGL a bit better as Nvidia wins my 15 frames at 16x12 and is some eighteen percent faster. When you turn the effects on Nvidia ends up four to eight frames faster than ATI's new mainstream card. On average Nvidia's card is ten percent faster.
Yet again in Quake 4 Nvidia wins. It starts with massive twenty two and a half frames difference at 10x7, fifteen at 12x10 but it drops six frames at 16x12 and only a single frame at 20x15.
FSAA 4X and 78X Aniso makes PowerColor X1950PRO looks better. Nvidia wins at 10x7 by fourteen frames but already at 12x10 the difference drops at less than three frames range. For the first time in Open GL testing PowerColor X1950PRO wins by five frames at 16x12 and by four frames at 20x15.
We tested Far Cry High Quality FSAA 4X + Aniso 8X and figurate out that the cards are tight at 10x12 but at 12x10 PowerColor is ten frames faster, at 16x12 it’s a massive thirty two frames faster and thirty eight frames faster at 20x15. At last two resolutions PowerColor is fifty two and a massive ninety-six percent faster. At 12x10 PowerColor Radeon X1900PRO is eleven percent faster.
Yet again Power Color dominates in FEAR. Already at 10x7 it is fourteen frames or fourteen per cent faster, at 12x10 it is again fourteen frames faster or nineteen percent faster, at 16x12 it is nine frames or seventeen percent faster and finally at 20x15 it is three frames or nine percent.
The difference is even bigger when you turn the effects on. At 10x7 PowerColor is twelve frames or seventeen percent faster, nine frames or nineteen percent at 12x10, six frames or eighteen percent at 16x12 and finally three frames or fourteen percent faster at 20x15.
In Serious Sam 2 PowerColor still dominates by as little as a single frame at 10x7 to twenty three at 12x10, twenty six point five at 16x12 and sixteen at 20x15. On the last three resolutions PowerColor Radeon X1950PRO is close to thirty percent faster.
There is a significant difference in the same game with HDR enabled but Serious Sam 2 with 4X FSAA and 8X aniso is just slightly faster on ATI's card. Geforce series 7 doesn't support FSAA and HDR therefore ATI clearly wins this one. Geforce wins in 3Dmark 03 by less than 300 points but it loses in 05 by as much as 3000. PowerColor is 880 points faster in 3Dmark06.
In Short
For once ATI did a good job in the mainstream. It managed to beat Nvidia at its own game. This is the card to recommend in the sub €/$200 space. 7900 GS is a good card and it shows its strength in Doom 3, Quake 4 and Serious Sam HDR with effects on but it loses in other games.
PowerColor did a good job making a silent card that runs rather cold that will run fast most of the games you can buy today. Having a 256 bit DDR controller and a mainstream 80 nanometre part is the way to go and you can see the benefits of it in games with the effects on. It is a mainstream card that I can recommend, the only caveat being that DirectX 10 is just around the corner and this card or any Nvidia's mainstream can not do that.
Power Color X1950PRO beats 7900 GS except in OpenGL
We compared two cards one from Nvidia Geforce 7900 GS at its reference clock of 450/1320MHz as it sits in the same price range and the PowerColor card.
In Doom 3 7900 GS ends up a bit faster at 10x7 but the performance difference increase at higher resolutions. Geforce cards can handle OpenGL a bit better as Nvidia wins my 15 frames at 16x12 and is some eighteen percent faster. When you turn the effects on Nvidia ends up four to eight frames faster than ATI's new mainstream card. On average Nvidia's card is ten percent faster.
Yet again in Quake 4 Nvidia wins. It starts with massive twenty two and a half frames difference at 10x7, fifteen at 12x10 but it drops six frames at 16x12 and only a single frame at 20x15.
FSAA 4X and 78X Aniso makes PowerColor X1950PRO looks better. Nvidia wins at 10x7 by fourteen frames but already at 12x10 the difference drops at less than three frames range. For the first time in Open GL testing PowerColor X1950PRO wins by five frames at 16x12 and by four frames at 20x15.
We tested Far Cry High Quality FSAA 4X + Aniso 8X and figurate out that the cards are tight at 10x12 but at 12x10 PowerColor is ten frames faster, at 16x12 it’s a massive thirty two frames faster and thirty eight frames faster at 20x15. At last two resolutions PowerColor is fifty two and a massive ninety-six percent faster. At 12x10 PowerColor Radeon X1900PRO is eleven percent faster.
Yet again Power Color dominates in FEAR. Already at 10x7 it is fourteen frames or fourteen per cent faster, at 12x10 it is again fourteen frames faster or nineteen percent faster, at 16x12 it is nine frames or seventeen percent faster and finally at 20x15 it is three frames or nine percent.
The difference is even bigger when you turn the effects on. At 10x7 PowerColor is twelve frames or seventeen percent faster, nine frames or nineteen percent at 12x10, six frames or eighteen percent at 16x12 and finally three frames or fourteen percent faster at 20x15.
In Serious Sam 2 PowerColor still dominates by as little as a single frame at 10x7 to twenty three at 12x10, twenty six point five at 16x12 and sixteen at 20x15. On the last three resolutions PowerColor Radeon X1950PRO is close to thirty percent faster.
There is a significant difference in the same game with HDR enabled but Serious Sam 2 with 4X FSAA and 8X aniso is just slightly faster on ATI's card. Geforce series 7 doesn't support FSAA and HDR therefore ATI clearly wins this one. Geforce wins in 3Dmark 03 by less than 300 points but it loses in 05 by as much as 3000. PowerColor is 880 points faster in 3Dmark06.
In Short
For once ATI did a good job in the mainstream. It managed to beat Nvidia at its own game. This is the card to recommend in the sub €/$200 space. 7900 GS is a good card and it shows its strength in Doom 3, Quake 4 and Serious Sam HDR with effects on but it loses in other games.
PowerColor did a good job making a silent card that runs rather cold that will run fast most of the games you can buy today. Having a 256 bit DDR controller and a mainstream 80 nanometre part is the way to go and you can see the benefits of it in games with the effects on. It is a mainstream card that I can recommend, the only caveat being that DirectX 10 is just around the corner and this card or any Nvidia's mainstream can not do that.
Power Color X1950PRO beats 7900 GS except in OpenGL
dailytech
ATI "RV560" Details Unveiled
Another 80nm product joins the lineup
ATI previously released its 80nm RV570 Radeon X1950 Pro mid-range graphics card catered towards the $199 MSRP market. Joining the Radeon X1950 Pro will be a second 80nm product known as RV560.
The RV560 Radeon X1650XT is expected to launch next week with a core clock 575 MHz unlike the previously reported 450 MHz. It appears ATI is getting better yields than previously expected, although the Radeon X1650XT was originally expected for an end of August or beginning of September launch. Radeon X1650XT graphics cards will feature 256MB of GDDR3 clocked at 675 MHz on a 128-bit memory interface. The Radeon X1650XT is expected to have 24 pixel-shaders, 12 pipelines and 8 vertex shaders. Similar to the Radeon X1950 Pro, the X1650XT will also feature an internal connection for CrossFire.
There will be a variety of output configurations for Radeon X1650XT cards. These output configurations include dual dual-link DVI and S-Video, dual single-link DVI and S-Video and lastly dual-link DVI, VGA and S-Video. HDCP will be enabled on Radeon X1650XT graphics cards as well. It’s also theoretically possible to integrate an HDMI output, though that will be up to the graphics card manufacturers.
Radeon X1650XT is expected to launch next week with an MSRP of $149 to take on NVIDIA's 7600GT.
ATI "RV560" Details Unveiled
Another 80nm product joins the lineup
ATI previously released its 80nm RV570 Radeon X1950 Pro mid-range graphics card catered towards the $199 MSRP market. Joining the Radeon X1950 Pro will be a second 80nm product known as RV560.
The RV560 Radeon X1650XT is expected to launch next week with a core clock 575 MHz unlike the previously reported 450 MHz. It appears ATI is getting better yields than previously expected, although the Radeon X1650XT was originally expected for an end of August or beginning of September launch. Radeon X1650XT graphics cards will feature 256MB of GDDR3 clocked at 675 MHz on a 128-bit memory interface. The Radeon X1650XT is expected to have 24 pixel-shaders, 12 pipelines and 8 vertex shaders. Similar to the Radeon X1950 Pro, the X1650XT will also feature an internal connection for CrossFire.
There will be a variety of output configurations for Radeon X1650XT cards. These output configurations include dual dual-link DVI and S-Video, dual single-link DVI and S-Video and lastly dual-link DVI, VGA and S-Video. HDCP will be enabled on Radeon X1650XT graphics cards as well. It’s also theoretically possible to integrate an HDMI output, though that will be up to the graphics card manufacturers.
Radeon X1650XT is expected to launch next week with an MSRP of $149 to take on NVIDIA's 7600GT.
Anandtech
Introducing the Radeon X1650 XT: A New Mainstream GPU from ATI
Yes, ATI has just launched the newest member of the X1650 family, and it looks to offer good performance competition for NVIDIA's GeForce 7600 GT. However, with the X1650 XT, ATI has one strike against it right off the bat. ATI has said that these parts will not be available for purchase until sometime in mid-November, which means we have on our hands another frustrating paper launch. We were glad to see the X1950 Pro launched with parts immediately available (even if they were $100 more expensive than expected), and considering the X1650 Pro and X1300 XT paper launched a while back, we were hoping ATI might have turned a new leaf in this regard; but it seems this isn't the case.
The second strike ATI might have against it is something we mentioned earlier: the price. The X1650 XT is priced by ATI at $150, and although ATI enabled vendors to offer the card at this price, we aren't sure if this is what we will be seeing. In the past, prices for launched GPUs have been fairly close to ATI's suggested mark, but what we have been seeing with the X1950 Pro lately has us a little worried about the X1650 XT. We can speculate that with AMD buying out ATI, on top of the fact that the holiday season is coming up fast, things are a little hectic for ATI. This could account for some of these price and availability issues for their parts.
That said, the point here is to take a look at a different card, the ATI Radeon X1650 XT, and give you our first impressions. We plan to look at the actual card and its features, as well as how it performs as a single GPU, then with two cards in CrossFire mode. We are also going to look at power consumption, and perhaps most importantly, how does the card compare with others available now and what's it worth to the average buyer. Our initial impressions of the X1650 XT and its performance aren't bad at all (provided manufacturers can hit the $150 target), but we'll delve into this later. For now, let's look at the card.
Final Words
The performance of the X1650 XT is just what you would expect from a mainstream graphics card of this type. With the 7600 GT being on the market for so long without any competition from ATI, the X1650 XT was overdue. With the release of this card, we now see performance from ATI that is very similar to the popular 7600 GT. This card handles a wide variety of games with ease at flexible resolutions. It still has trouble running some of the games at 1600x1200 and above, but getting smooth frame rates at 1280x1024 in nearly all the games we tested is a nice achievement in a card projected to be in the <$150 price range. Those with 1280x1024 monitors can easily shun more expensive GPUs without sacrificing that much in the way of gaming enjoyment.
With regards to the issue of the card's price, because of what we are seeing with the X1950 Pro, we can't be sure of what the X1650 XT will sell for once it actually becomes available. Perhaps the fact that this is a paper launch (as opposed to the X1950 Pro's hard launch) will mean prices will be closer to ATI's mark when the X1650 XT finally hits the market. Unfortunately, one current indicator is in a price we saw on an X1650 XT from Gigabyte, available for pre-order at $200. This might be a feasible target for some vendors when they start hitting shelves, but it still wouldn't be a good price for consumers, as it's not quite as fast as other cards currently in the $200 price range. The X1650 XT only really shines when pitted against the 7600 GT at $150.
All said the Radeon X1650 XT looks to be a good option for a lower-midrange card, depending on what it will sell for. We think this will be a decent buy if it makes it out in November at its projected $150 price tag, but honestly we aren't getting our hopes up too high about this happening. As it gets closer to the holidays, we will hopefully see some deals on this card and others, but right now there's really no point in waiting to fork over the money for this card instead of the 7600 GT. A 7600 GT can currently be found for under $140, with mail-in rebates dropping some prices to under $120, which makes it pretty much a no-brainer as to which one to go with.
Introducing the Radeon X1650 XT: A New Mainstream GPU from ATI
Yes, ATI has just launched the newest member of the X1650 family, and it looks to offer good performance competition for NVIDIA's GeForce 7600 GT. However, with the X1650 XT, ATI has one strike against it right off the bat. ATI has said that these parts will not be available for purchase until sometime in mid-November, which means we have on our hands another frustrating paper launch. We were glad to see the X1950 Pro launched with parts immediately available (even if they were $100 more expensive than expected), and considering the X1650 Pro and X1300 XT paper launched a while back, we were hoping ATI might have turned a new leaf in this regard; but it seems this isn't the case.
The second strike ATI might have against it is something we mentioned earlier: the price. The X1650 XT is priced by ATI at $150, and although ATI enabled vendors to offer the card at this price, we aren't sure if this is what we will be seeing. In the past, prices for launched GPUs have been fairly close to ATI's suggested mark, but what we have been seeing with the X1950 Pro lately has us a little worried about the X1650 XT. We can speculate that with AMD buying out ATI, on top of the fact that the holiday season is coming up fast, things are a little hectic for ATI. This could account for some of these price and availability issues for their parts.
That said, the point here is to take a look at a different card, the ATI Radeon X1650 XT, and give you our first impressions. We plan to look at the actual card and its features, as well as how it performs as a single GPU, then with two cards in CrossFire mode. We are also going to look at power consumption, and perhaps most importantly, how does the card compare with others available now and what's it worth to the average buyer. Our initial impressions of the X1650 XT and its performance aren't bad at all (provided manufacturers can hit the $150 target), but we'll delve into this later. For now, let's look at the card.
Final Words
The performance of the X1650 XT is just what you would expect from a mainstream graphics card of this type. With the 7600 GT being on the market for so long without any competition from ATI, the X1650 XT was overdue. With the release of this card, we now see performance from ATI that is very similar to the popular 7600 GT. This card handles a wide variety of games with ease at flexible resolutions. It still has trouble running some of the games at 1600x1200 and above, but getting smooth frame rates at 1280x1024 in nearly all the games we tested is a nice achievement in a card projected to be in the <$150 price range. Those with 1280x1024 monitors can easily shun more expensive GPUs without sacrificing that much in the way of gaming enjoyment.
With regards to the issue of the card's price, because of what we are seeing with the X1950 Pro, we can't be sure of what the X1650 XT will sell for once it actually becomes available. Perhaps the fact that this is a paper launch (as opposed to the X1950 Pro's hard launch) will mean prices will be closer to ATI's mark when the X1650 XT finally hits the market. Unfortunately, one current indicator is in a price we saw on an X1650 XT from Gigabyte, available for pre-order at $200. This might be a feasible target for some vendors when they start hitting shelves, but it still wouldn't be a good price for consumers, as it's not quite as fast as other cards currently in the $200 price range. The X1650 XT only really shines when pitted against the 7600 GT at $150.
All said the Radeon X1650 XT looks to be a good option for a lower-midrange card, depending on what it will sell for. We think this will be a decent buy if it makes it out in November at its projected $150 price tag, but honestly we aren't getting our hopes up too high about this happening. As it gets closer to the holidays, we will hopefully see some deals on this card and others, but right now there's really no point in waiting to fork over the money for this card instead of the 7600 GT. A 7600 GT can currently be found for under $140, with mail-in rebates dropping some prices to under $120, which makes it pretty much a no-brainer as to which one to go with.