Serial blasts rock Jaipur!!
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I hope I am wrong, but our government doesn't seem to think that covert ops are an option at all. We could at the very least strike the sources of funding to the terrorists, and the top bosses of terror organisations should be killed. I know that wouldn't be a solution, nothing close to it, but at least the message sent through this will be a lot more sensible and at the same time would be demoralising for the terrorists.It would also work favourably on our national morale. If our intelligence ppl could kill one top boss in Pak/Bangladesh for every attack in india, that would do much better than condemnations and consolations. The sad part is that the lack of political will has apparently made our intelligence incapable for such operations......
I have a huge post in mind about how Baitullah Mehsud, Sharif's exit from the ruling coalition, Kiyani's directive for the pak fauj to stay out of politics and the pakhtunwali code of honor are all linked with the Jaipur blasts, but I doubt anyone wants a good debate here.
So keeping in line with the flow here, Damn pakis, must bomb them biznetches.
So keeping in line with the flow here, Damn pakis, must bomb them biznetches.
^^ But I doubt if such an attack would have not been planned much in advance.......unless off course they had their operatives ready waiting just for the execution orders which would then not be a bright idea since the entire plan could be foiled if any of those involved got caught.... I would still be happy to read your post (and possibly change my mind) if you choose to post.
Sniper, come out with your post man.
And the govt wont kill the terrorists, it'll give them more reservations :|.
And the govt wont kill the terrorists, it'll give them more reservations :|.
K, here it goes, its kinda long and might be a bit boring.
Number 1 - The Pak fauj right now is embroiled in a fight with tribals in the frontier regions, tribals who are mostly composed of Pashtuns. The tribals are led by a guy called Baitullah Mehsud. The reason the tribals are important here is because they form the majority of the infiltrators who enter India.
There has been a slight lull in the attacks over the past few months because the tribals have been busy fighting the Pakistani fauj. Their major aim is to enforce the sharia in the frontier provinces, they have kidnapped hundreds of pak fauj soldiers, leading to the image of the pakistani fauj getting battered. The DG of the Inter services public relations, was caught lying twice when around 300 Pakistani soldiers were kidnapped. He first claimed that the soldiers were celebrating their leave with the tribals, then said that they were missing in a dust storm, then conceded that they were kidnapped and that court martial proceedings had been initiated against the officers.
The Pakistani army is the major power centre in the country. Greater than the supreme court and the central govt. They own all the land, majority of the property, even wheat and sugar mills under the fauji foundation name.
To distance the fauj from politics, Gen Pervez kiyani, the new chief, ordered all officers out of public offices, this lead to an even bigger fall in the image of the fauj in the eyes of the people and would obviously lead to bickering amongst the generals.
Now the tribals, educated, indoctrinated to fight against the infidel or the crusader, the mujaheddin find themselves fighting the very army that nurtured them. The crusaders are allowed free reign in Afghanistan and the kuffar is consolidating his position in Kashmir while the Pakistani army's influence is being curtailed.
Seeing that they are in a pretty bad position here, the muj, or whatever remained of them around the PoK camps (those loyal to the PA), decided to show their strength. Since Kashmir is obviously a hard target with 600,000 active troops (probably the best in COIN operations), the natural, easy target would be the hindu heartlands, Jaipur, Varanasi etc etc. And the perpetrators btw might be based in Bangladesh, but Harkat-ul-jehad-i-islami was started in Pakistan.
Sooner or later, you're going to see some close co-operation between both Pakistan and India. The generals will realise that the muj will harm them, the wahhabi school of thought will be replaced by the Indian brand of tolerant Islam (already present in Pakistan to an extent).
Pakistan is falling apart, the coalition shows signs of weakening with Sharif exiting, Zardari is a known embezzler, The muj are strong in Pakistan, if they overthrow the moderates it will lead to a talibani nation right in our backyard, the govt recognises this and has therefore decided to refrain from the purana walla - "ISI did it" tirade.
We need a peaceful PAkistan, taking them apart right now is a piece of cake, just support the talibs, give them guns and weapons, let them come to power, then enter as a "coalition" with NATO under the pretext of taking over their nukes, easy. But what do we do after taking them apart? We don't need another backwater fascist state in our backyard.
Again, too many things going on here to explain everything clearly, just too much information. I'll try to clarify doubts if people have 'em.
Number 1 - The Pak fauj right now is embroiled in a fight with tribals in the frontier regions, tribals who are mostly composed of Pashtuns. The tribals are led by a guy called Baitullah Mehsud. The reason the tribals are important here is because they form the majority of the infiltrators who enter India.
There has been a slight lull in the attacks over the past few months because the tribals have been busy fighting the Pakistani fauj. Their major aim is to enforce the sharia in the frontier provinces, they have kidnapped hundreds of pak fauj soldiers, leading to the image of the pakistani fauj getting battered. The DG of the Inter services public relations, was caught lying twice when around 300 Pakistani soldiers were kidnapped. He first claimed that the soldiers were celebrating their leave with the tribals, then said that they were missing in a dust storm, then conceded that they were kidnapped and that court martial proceedings had been initiated against the officers.
The Pakistani army is the major power centre in the country. Greater than the supreme court and the central govt. They own all the land, majority of the property, even wheat and sugar mills under the fauji foundation name.
To distance the fauj from politics, Gen Pervez kiyani, the new chief, ordered all officers out of public offices, this lead to an even bigger fall in the image of the fauj in the eyes of the people and would obviously lead to bickering amongst the generals.
Now the tribals, educated, indoctrinated to fight against the infidel or the crusader, the mujaheddin find themselves fighting the very army that nurtured them. The crusaders are allowed free reign in Afghanistan and the kuffar is consolidating his position in Kashmir while the Pakistani army's influence is being curtailed.
Seeing that they are in a pretty bad position here, the muj, or whatever remained of them around the PoK camps (those loyal to the PA), decided to show their strength. Since Kashmir is obviously a hard target with 600,000 active troops (probably the best in COIN operations), the natural, easy target would be the hindu heartlands, Jaipur, Varanasi etc etc. And the perpetrators btw might be based in Bangladesh, but Harkat-ul-jehad-i-islami was started in Pakistan.
Sooner or later, you're going to see some close co-operation between both Pakistan and India. The generals will realise that the muj will harm them, the wahhabi school of thought will be replaced by the Indian brand of tolerant Islam (already present in Pakistan to an extent).
Pakistan is falling apart, the coalition shows signs of weakening with Sharif exiting, Zardari is a known embezzler, The muj are strong in Pakistan, if they overthrow the moderates it will lead to a talibani nation right in our backyard, the govt recognises this and has therefore decided to refrain from the purana walla - "ISI did it" tirade.
We need a peaceful PAkistan, taking them apart right now is a piece of cake, just support the talibs, give them guns and weapons, let them come to power, then enter as a "coalition" with NATO under the pretext of taking over their nukes, easy. But what do we do after taking them apart? We don't need another backwater fascist state in our backyard.
Again, too many things going on here to explain everything clearly, just too much information. I'll try to clarify doubts if people have 'em.
The ISI is not the only source of funds and training for the muj in Pakistan. In the 1980's the Saudis channeled funds to thousands of deobandi madrassas all across Pakistan, they still do in fact, expats in the UK, Canada and other western countries channel funds to the Jamat-ud-dawa, then there are the hawala channels.
To run an organization the size of Lashkar-e-toiba, or at least the mujaheddin wing you need only about 35 crores.
Mirpuris in particular are amongst the highest contributors. They're filthy rich and in positions of power, kinda similar to the khalistan supporters in Canada.
To run an organization the size of Lashkar-e-toiba, or at least the mujaheddin wing you need only about 35 crores.
Mirpuris in particular are amongst the highest contributors. They're filthy rich and in positions of power, kinda similar to the khalistan supporters in Canada.
Sure, PM me. The khalistan movement died because of Benazir by the way. She was supposed to have handed over a list of khalistani leaders to Rajiv Gandhi and in exchange, Rajiv was supposed to withdraw Indian troops from Siachen.
The withdrawal never happened, due to which there was open hostility between the Pak fauj the ISI and Benazir, which ultimately lead to her death.
The withdrawal never happened, due to which there was open hostility between the Pak fauj the ISI and Benazir, which ultimately lead to her death.
^^ Where do you do such kind of research ? i have observed this in your previous posts on topics on the same line
Here is a little suggestion. Dont form a permanent harsh attitude towards any of religion/caste. Dont judge a particular religion/caste by ideologies followed by a few people. Get your info from reliable and authentic source rather by judging it from general/uneducated people. Since you seem to have a lot on info on current affairs past and present it must be easy for you to get your sources right. We must learn to differentiate between right and wrong
Peace !!
Here is a little suggestion. Dont form a permanent harsh attitude towards any of religion/caste. Dont judge a particular religion/caste by ideologies followed by a few people. Get your info from reliable and authentic source rather by judging it from general/uneducated people. Since you seem to have a lot on info on current affairs past and present it must be easy for you to get your sources right. We must learn to differentiate between right and wrong
Peace !!
All open source info mate. Just need to look harder. Not many people interested in sifting through all the information present in the internet and coming to their own conclusions. People would rather lap up ToI or HT haha..
And I don't have a negative attitude about any caste or religion or race, I just speak the facts.
Btw, the mandate of the Jamat-ud-dawa (another name for the LeT), involves reverting the sub-continent back to Islamic rule, with no place for democracy or nationalism..nothing would be greater than the "ummah", not even the country. These guys will not stop at Kashmir. We have to call a spade a spade and monitor these select few idiots to ensure our survival.
And I don't have a negative attitude about any caste or religion or race, I just speak the facts.
Btw, the mandate of the Jamat-ud-dawa (another name for the LeT), involves reverting the sub-continent back to Islamic rule, with no place for democracy or nationalism..nothing would be greater than the "ummah", not even the country. These guys will not stop at Kashmir. We have to call a spade a spade and monitor these select few idiots to ensure our survival.
Or jamaatdawah.org
Got quotes straight from Hafeez Saeed, the guy who leads the LeT. Skip past the peaceful bullcrap and you'll see what these guys really want. Kashmir is just a small point they use to incite hatred against hindus, Babri, Godhra all these are incidents they use to get their "students" charged up against the hateful idol worshipper.
Wahabbi Islam is the biggest evil on this planet right now. 98% of India and the majority of Pakistan follow a moderate, tolerant version of Islam. Its these 2% who deserve to be cleansed.
Got quotes straight from Hafeez Saeed, the guy who leads the LeT. Skip past the peaceful bullcrap and you'll see what these guys really want. Kashmir is just a small point they use to incite hatred against hindus, Babri, Godhra all these are incidents they use to get their "students" charged up against the hateful idol worshipper.
Wahabbi Islam is the biggest evil on this planet right now. 98% of India and the majority of Pakistan follow a moderate, tolerant version of Islam. Its these 2% who deserve to be cleansed.
KSA is the main source of the wahabbi fundamentalist ideology. The arab is lazy. They were basically nomads before Islam civilised them. Ask someone who has interacted with arabs in KSA and you'll get some really nice "Yella yella" stories..again, there are nice Arabs too out there.
And no country ever followed Islamic rule to its entirety.. even during the crusades. Does'nt make the "weakened" islamic rule demon any less scary.
not everybody is the Mosque all the time.., like late night. I cant hink of any other deterrence working on them. I said mosque because these guys who blow up innocent people are religious fanatics.dipen01 said:
are you saying Pakistanis and Bangladeshis don't support or sympathize with terror. Its naive to claim they dont... why them look in our own country... Just ask Kashmiri Pundits who have been ethnically cleansed out of their own statedipen01 said:
All while people like you were pompous grandstanding about "secularism"
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are you having n argument with yourself?
nope, the trick is to let them fight your war for you.dipen01 said:
Dude who knows, lol. They are out to get us, I'm not really interested in what they intend to do after they've finished us off.. haha
Anyways, we're just being alarmist here, these guys are never going to be a credible threat.
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