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RiO said:
You're basically asking someone to launch this channel and run it on their own, and if it's successful TE will take credit for it and make it official?

They're asking for your help in order to make the channel successful and your response translates to: screw you! Very smooth lol. Under a lot of pressure at school?
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Refusing to make a thread sticky in a polite manner does not translate to 'screw you'. I dont know how IRC channel works and I dont understand how can the credit be taken from its creator/owner.

@ saumil - What I was telling was to start a thread. If it is so good and people will take interest then the thread will get bumped to the top of the forums everyday on its own. Doesnt have to be a sticky.

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Dont expect the staff to come over and observe at your convenience as we really dont have time these days
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To some of you this might have seemed rude but its not, wrong choice of words I guess. Its just a plain fact, the mods are busy these days.
 
Lol.

Seems like most mods here are a Bit too rude.

I guess that RiO said is what your thread sounded that Ren, Im not saying that coz I have a Grudge against you or anything, I dont hold grudges, specially not online ones. Lol.

Read your own post from a Neutral POV. Youll get the point.
 
Yep, he was just trying to chill in the mood IMO, and yes I do think an IRC channel would be nice to have, if it can be sustained

However, if it can't be then it'll just fail

and Renegade is right, no need to make a thread sticky just like that, doesnt need to be, if people do show interest and I am really hoping that they do, it doesn't need to be a sticky
 
RiO said:
You're basically asking someone to launch this channel and run it on their own, and if it's successful TE will take credit for it and make it official?

They're asking for your help in order to make the channel successful and your response translates to: screw you! Very smooth lol. Under a lot of pressure at school?
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Hey chill out Rio :)

His intention was not at all to be rude, and in fact he's just voicing an opinion on behalf of all of the Staff.. so i could be just as guilty as him ;)

Simply put, as of now we have no official plans for an IRC channel and thats all he has said.

If the folks feel we're not supporting them, thats not at all true.

As with any big community, there are bound to be 100's or 1000's of voices asking for x-y-z. Things that generate major interest among a large portion of the community, or that the mods feel are really worth it are worked upon ASAP. Things that do not generate as much interest, are put under lower priority, but are NOT neglected.

So go ahead with your interests/ideas.. We will keep an eye on things, if the community wants it - we will support it and implement it, not cash in and take credit :)
 
akshitmohan said:
TE = Forums.

For instant messaging we have MSN, Gtalk, Yahoo et al.
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irc is not just instant messaging, its a real-time community...the way forums are a refresh-based community :P
 
The last time channel was created i spent more than a week coming there and leaving client on. I will do it again for 1 week. If noone comes then i will surely give up for good.

Like i said, i dont oppose the idea, but i dont see the need for it. As a fairness giving it a chance again. IMHO this will not take off. Many people here dont have basic idea about irc. The education part comes first, then the success. Its not as easy as being a part of community.

10 people wanting something or knowing something does not mean it will become success.

The people who want this to be success need to take initiative themselves. Keep posting in that thread, answering people's questions and doubts regarding IRC, keep encouraging people to come and join, do the work themselves and be there on the channel. Thats how things are done.

@Rio m8, this is community. Its as much yours as anyone else's. Staff cannot do everything themselves. And noone is taking credit for anything yet. If you want something to be done, start from you. And if everyone just starts to think about personal gains or fame or credit, community will never work. Yo do not always get what you want. But if your intentions are good you will do it anyway without expecting anything in return. Thats how it should be.

If anyone is afraid of TE taking credit for the contributions of members, then honestly you are not getting the idea of community.
 
Funky, It appears you've already made up your mind about IRC failing even before it starts. I hope you change your approach:bleh: Besides, that earlier thread wasn't made to announce the start of the channel - it was more of a "lets start an irc channel maybe??". TBH, I didn't see you online a lot when we started it. Garav and Saumil were the only ones there the most.

Within 5hrs of posting the IRC announcement thread, some 7 people turned up between 2:30 and 7:30 in the morning which already beats the last record :P

As for the commitment, I will always be connected to that channel even if I'm the only one. I will also answer any queries as well. The success of the channel won't be evident on the forum thread but on the number of people visiting IRC channel itself. I fear the IRC thread will pass on to the next pages and disappear. 80% of the people will eventually not see it as well - that was the only reason I requested a sticky.
 
I am using IRC for 10 years now. For TE, i dont know if it will work. Uses and benifits are irc are well known to me. But very very very small no of internet users in India have every experienced or experimented with IRC or know what it is.

People who need help have TE. IRC will 100% fail if your aim is anything but general chat. For regular chat, file sharing IRC is great. For Tech support it does not work.

Lets see, as i said, i will give my 24x7 on efforts to it and we will see what happens.
 
It's not about use and it's not an utility. Techenclave is a community, a social gathering of people with similar interests - Tech along with games, music, movies, etc. It's not meant to be a formal chat place where we take queries and answer. It's a casual hangout zone - the same way you would chat with someone on MSN, but here with multiple people at once.
 
cyberjunkie said:
It's not about use and it's not an utility. Techenclave is a community, a social gathering of people with similar interests - Tech along with games, music, movies, etc. It's not meant to be a formal chat place where we take queries and answer. It's a casual hangout zone - the same way you would chat with someone on MSN, but here with multiple people at once.
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Well, the chat implementation has been tried and tested in the past with Flash Chat. Its not about the bandwidth and the costs involved. Its a simple fact that such things loose the steam after a while. We had to remove it as firstly at the time it was using up more resources than it should have and was causing the forums to slow down.
Please remember that the site and the forums is the main purpose of the forums.
Also, after a week or so, the number of members online in the chat decline like anything.
Apart from the few handful of members who want this implemented, there are not very many speaking up here are they?

Lets have a look at the past shall we?
http://www.techenclave.com/forums/24259-post14.html
The number of members in there was so bad that we had to enable the bot. How bad can it get eh?
Lets assume that we have a 100 members who are active and would like to join the chat. The remote chance of all of them being online and chatting togather is pretty slim.
Moreover, the persons in question who are demanding the feature, I am sure are added to each others contacts on YIM, MSN etc.
Why not have a confrerence there instead? Would help you test run and see how it goes.

Also, I dont mean to sound rude or anything as we mods off late have been accused of being. But a strict language is often misinterpreted and twisted to make the sense of the statement differ from what its supposed to mean. And as far as taking over the IRC channel goes, I dont see how we could do that. All we can do is approve it and make it official. All members here say that TE is a member based forum right? I dont see why you members cant trust us mods to do our duties well. And I dont see how giving something a status from unofficial to official would give us the credit for it.
 
Lets assume that we have a 100 members who are active and would like to join the chat. The remote chance of all of them being online and chatting togather is pretty slim.
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we really dont expect more than a dozen people online at any given time

I am sure are added to each others contacts on YIM, MSN etc.

Why not have a confrerence there instead?
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you have to be invited in those conversations then are expected to contribute...in irc one can jump in any conversation with as much interaction you want
 
Aditya said:
Well, but isn't TE on a Dedicated Server?

A Shoutbox, ie. an AJAX Shoutbox, shouldnt be to server intensive.

Not that I want a Shoutbox, just putting in my 2 cents.
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Yeah, TE is on a dedicated server and even a real-time AJAX shoutbox will be server intensive.

What aint server-intensive is what Rio suggested, a hosted shoutbox, but still we dont need it.
 
Why is everyone under the impression that chat means Flash chat or Java chat and Techenclave's servers are going to be overloaded and it's going to cost a lot of money!!! No Techenclave doesn't have to ANYTHING! no chat server no applet no shoutbox nothing. There are plenty of public dedicated IRC servers. Creating a channel on any of them doesn't cost a penny. It just needs participation from as many people as possible and thats where Techenclave can help by making people aware of the feature - a sticky or a front page notice.
 
@Aditya,

Ajax isn't the answer for decreasing loading. I can ofcourse make it timeout at greater periods which will destroy the whole idea of a real time chat. As it is why do you need a shoutbox on a tech site in the first place?

No go on the shoutbox thing for now(the flatfile version isn't half as good and as far as hosted ones go, we can have a hosted flash server also for free, the point being no one used it)

@ IRC

Once a thing is unofficial, its just what the word means. As was stated before, TE staff has no time to mantain the channel and so there will be no official sanction for it. The uses of irc are known to all of us who use it(i have used it myself for last 8 years along with newsgroups) and those uses are not usually the ones we want to associate TE name with. For arguments sake, even if its a chat only(which i highly doubt it will be as your initial enthu will run off pretty fast like with any chat) we cannot stop abusers, spammers there and more importantly people looking to advertise. You can employ bots but then it won't be for the newbies, and among the regulars how many are actually interested is an open question.(you can use im among yourself anyway)

Bottomline is that unofficial sanctions don't make for stickied threads. When we allow something officially, you will see it in all its glory(as with WCG)
 
Initial Enthu? The machine is always on, connection is too, my IM is my IRC client. I really don't have to do anything or anyone for that matter. If everyone follows the mentality - "OH I'll use IRC for 2 days, if no one shows up I'll leave it", IRC isn't going to work out. I fail to see what kind of effort and dedication is needed to connect - everyone seems to be petrified! All you need to do it run the IRC client just like you'd run any other service. It doesn't eat up bandwidth, CPU, memory - it just sits there in your system tray. Like any other IM, you reply if you find something interesting being talked about.
 
well i can see you are enthusiastic about it, is that true for others?
Our position has been made clear. We won't be forcing anyone though.

btw to the guy who said we will take the credit once the thing takes off. Exactly what precedence is there for you to have said that. FYI we do a lot of things here without credit and rest assured if we are to consider an irc channel in future and we decide to use the unofficial channel(provided its still up and running till then) the person(s) behind it would be credited.
Next time around though think a bit before you pass sweeping statements like that. :no:
 
Since you haven't really followed the thread, that guy would be me... and I don't take my words back. If you say that wasn't a well thought out reply, I'm sorry to say you missed the post I was replying too, because that wasn't thought out at all esp. coming from a mod. I let it go, however, by not replying here and by talking to him - he seemed to understand where I was coming from but if you still want to debate this here, I'll be happy to. Although, I'd suggest you talk to him first because I seriously don't have time to explain myself more than once.
 
Lets not turn this into an argument. I would be equally excited and would participate actively if someday TE decides to start its own IRC channel. There is no need for any preparation or some sort of masterplan to be made to start an IRC channel, which is why it isn't a big deal and why there's no question of people giving credit or something of that sort. TE can come to a decision and setup its channel in 2 minutes if it has to. Public IRC servers, public IRC channel, no need for moderating. Find someone bugging you? - ignore him.. he spams? server autokicks/bans.

As for enthusiasm, people turned up and there are some 60-70 odd pages of conversation has taken place so far. There are around 10-12ppl online. Not too shabby I think.:clap:
 
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