ramsudharsan75
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So none of us will speak about what happened in kashmir today
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k_m_Arya
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Is this Islamic terrorism? Yes, it is.
Was there government/Intelligence failure in stopping it? Answer is yes again but I won't be hard on them because a terrorist only needs to succeed once but intelligence agencies strive for 100/100.
But where the government did colossally **** up is screwing up recruitment and not maintaining army equipment/upgrading to latest gen fighters/tech.
Was there government/Intelligence failure in stopping it? Answer is yes again but I won't be hard on them because a terrorist only needs to succeed once but intelligence agencies strive for 100/100.
But where the government did colossally **** up is screwing up recruitment and not maintaining army equipment/upgrading to latest gen fighters/tech.
Pakistanis In India On SAARC Visa Exemption Asked To Leave Within 48 Hours; No New Entries Allowed - News18
India cancels SAARC Visa Exemption for Pakistanis after Pahalgam attack. Military-diplomatic ties cut, advisors declared persona non grata. Indus Waters Treaty on hold.
www.news18.com
I wouldn't say all but enough of them do to make it really alarming and sad at same time.
Such hatred just makes me feel sorry for them.
Why should one care what they say or not.
We give them too much bhau( importance).
If hritik or salman says anything...media will start showing..."Salman ne khadi ninda ki hai iski..."
What will happen if he says this ..
Govt. Is figuring out what to do.
This Indus river treaty was already shit. It should have been permanently suspended long time back. Too bad it took killing of so many people to be revoked.
God knows what Nehru was smoking when he gave 80% of the water to an enemy nation.
At the best he could have done 50% 50%
ek se ek ch**** leaders mila hai hame.
bro, cinema is the mirror of the society, these people can change India for good by raising the voice, creating good content but they are making us p04n addicted, making money and going in a deep sleep in their villas. same goes for leaders, they are busy in freebies, secular work, bhai-chaara, reservation, kadi ninda. leader bante hi dimag tatti ban jata h jaise. like when you look at their word, i was like what kind of country we are in. they have lost the basic common sense, ethics just for the power and money.
These wood-iaas not dare to post a tweet and we all treat them as gods, superstar. they are just common people with a lot of money. stop running for selfie, watching their movies, series.
I don't watch Indian content, hate cricket (those sattebaaz) still playing with pak for money. no shame, BCCI, cricketers all making money. we fools enjoy these things instead of putting those hours in different things.
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I agree to every point you said.
But in the end ..who are the fools?
We are , just like you said.
So this is the price we pay for making these third class chapris wearing suit boot as superstars.
Anyways we better stick to the topic only.
Complain karne ko toh bohat log hai.
Right now the moment is to stand together against these cowards and support our govt. As long as they taking right steps.
Not necessarily, Cinema is an illusion which tries to masquerade as holding a mirror to reality.
I work in the entertainment industry myself. Have been part of numerous productions, reality shows, Sports (IPL, ISL, Star Sports).
It is full of Hypocrites, for ex Surya and Jyotika from south who openly opose hindi education in Tamil nadu have shifted to Mumbai two years back. Kohli and Anushka have made their career and fortune on our peoples gullibility and wasting our time and resources have plans to shift to london once terrorism or pollution goes mainstream in India, and dont get me started on kiran rao , aamir khan and bhoi where do i even begin on those.
And many more which this forum wont be sufficient to speak about.
One only needs to get down at bandra or kurla and try catch an auto to their destination to feel like what mainstream terrorism is... or get down at numerous railway stations to notice who the majority hawkers. Sure complain about the civil servants and the municipality but dont forget they are not paid to work 24 hours.
It was Afghanistan then pakistan then Bangladesh now West Bengal Tomorrow Kerala...and people busy wasting best two months of their life on IPL. It is one of the leading cause of inflation by way of pushing up marketing expenses of everything. It has set a precident. I was part of the production crew of 2020 IPL as well. Have to work for this forsaken stomach and that will be our undoing of our collective demise because we have morality and ethics to follow.
Its just a matter of time before people from madrasas will be joining the army, then we will not need to import extremists anymore, we can start exporting as well.
Our Country was set on wrong path from the beginning itself . . . We are just delaying the inevitable.
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You need to be educated to a good level and on top of that be rational to realise that film stars or cricketers are not worthy of any demigod status, as they are basically earning off entertaining the common person. Nothing against it if people feel they are getting their money's worth of entertainment, but the transaction should end there, as the entertainers are basically doing their job and getting paid extremely well for it. It is frankly idiotic to look up to them for any sort of validation (couldn't ever figure out why anyone would trust their word on cement or tyres) in society as they will sell their soul to the devil to maintain their lifestyle.
Unfortunately, this doesn't apply to the majority of the Indian population.
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1. How should India respond to the Pahalgam attack
Can't find anything wrong in there other than to say some things have been tried like international pressure and the result is similar to Balakote. It buys us time and then another attack happens.
By international pressure I'm referring to the ten odd LeT senior cadres we got UN designated a week after 26/11. Ten in a day. Remarkable.
Also recall the two times Pakistan ended up in the grey list and could only exit after tangible measures by the government were made to counter terror financing. It's easy to be cynical here about whether it worked. It did in the sense it's not as feasible as it used to be. And nothing stops Pakistan being put in there a third time. This was an international effort in our interests. So statements like no one cares about India aren't true because terrorism is a global menace when put into perspective.
Back to chatGPT.
2. Can you expand on point 5 strategic military consideration
All of these have been done already. Save for the doctrinal shift. I'm sure it's been made but not made public
The response is generic and run of the mill. I can see why teachers will be worried about students cheating on their essays.
OK we've seen it's default behaviour, let's tweak it a little
3. Can you make an aggressive op-ed
Hmm, this is interesting.
The first section, hit them where it hurts to me sounds like what 'do an Israel' would look like.
Our resources are limited for the second point about diplomacy.
Third point about unity is fine but more can be done here
The conclusion is dramatic. Written to fit the binary. What is the fix.
There isn't one but you can make it more costly.
I will compare this later with what pros think our response should be.
The reported Pahalgam attack is a serious matter, and India's response would ideally need to be firm, strategic, and multidimensional. Here's a balanced view of what the response could involve, depending on the situation's specifics:
1. Immediate Security Response
Strengthen local security: Enhance deployment of security forces in and around sensitive areas, especially tourist routes and religious pilgrimage zones like Amarnath.
Search operations: Conduct targeted intelligence-led operations to track down those responsible.
Cordon and search missions: Immediate and aggressive response in the vicinity of the attack.
2. Intelligence and Counter-Terror Measures
Boost intelligence sharing: Improve coordination between central and state intelligence agencies.
Strengthen surveillance: Use drones, high-tech monitoring systems, and AI-based predictive tools in vulnerable areas.
Check infiltration: Tighten border security to prevent the movement of militants across the LoC.
3. Diplomatic Front
International pressure: Leverage diplomatic channels to highlight cross-border terrorism if evidence suggests external involvement.
Engage global partners: Work with countries like the U.S., France, and others to increase pressure on any state sponsors of terrorism.
4. Internal Stability
Prevent communal tension: Ensure that the incident doesn’t spiral into religious or regional conflict.
Public communication: Transparent updates from the government to control misinformation and maintain public trust.
5. Strategic Military Consideration
If credible evidence points to cross-border elements, India may consider:
Targeted cross-border operations (like surgical strikes).
Economic and diplomatic isolation of hostile entities or nations involved.
1. Immediate Security Response
Strengthen local security: Enhance deployment of security forces in and around sensitive areas, especially tourist routes and religious pilgrimage zones like Amarnath.
Search operations: Conduct targeted intelligence-led operations to track down those responsible.
Cordon and search missions: Immediate and aggressive response in the vicinity of the attack.
2. Intelligence and Counter-Terror Measures
Boost intelligence sharing: Improve coordination between central and state intelligence agencies.
Strengthen surveillance: Use drones, high-tech monitoring systems, and AI-based predictive tools in vulnerable areas.
Check infiltration: Tighten border security to prevent the movement of militants across the LoC.
3. Diplomatic Front
International pressure: Leverage diplomatic channels to highlight cross-border terrorism if evidence suggests external involvement.
Engage global partners: Work with countries like the U.S., France, and others to increase pressure on any state sponsors of terrorism.
4. Internal Stability
Prevent communal tension: Ensure that the incident doesn’t spiral into religious or regional conflict.
Public communication: Transparent updates from the government to control misinformation and maintain public trust.
5. Strategic Military Consideration
If credible evidence points to cross-border elements, India may consider:
Targeted cross-border operations (like surgical strikes).
Economic and diplomatic isolation of hostile entities or nations involved.
Can't find anything wrong in there other than to say some things have been tried like international pressure and the result is similar to Balakote. It buys us time and then another attack happens.
By international pressure I'm referring to the ten odd LeT senior cadres we got UN designated a week after 26/11. Ten in a day. Remarkable.
Also recall the two times Pakistan ended up in the grey list and could only exit after tangible measures by the government were made to counter terror financing. It's easy to be cynical here about whether it worked. It did in the sense it's not as feasible as it used to be. And nothing stops Pakistan being put in there a third time. This was an international effort in our interests. So statements like no one cares about India aren't true because terrorism is a global menace when put into perspective.
Back to chatGPT.
2. Can you expand on point 5 strategic military consideration
Absolutely. Here's an expanded version of Point 5: Strategic Military Consideration for the op-ed, integrated in the same editorial tone:
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5. Strategic Military Consideration: Beyond Symbolic Strikes
Military responses to terror attacks must walk a delicate line: assertive enough to deter future strikes, but calibrated to avoid needless escalation—especially in a nuclear-armed neighborhood.
Following the precedent of the 2016 surgical strikes and the 2019 Balakot air strikes, India has shown it will not absorb cross-border terrorism passively. Yet such actions, while bold, must evolve beyond symbolism.
What is needed now is a doctrinal shift—a clear, codified framework that goes beyond “retaliation” and instead embraces pre-emptive disruption. This means:
Persistent Counter-Terror Operations: Establishing standing capabilities to launch precision operations across the LoC when actionable intelligence is available—not as a one-off, but as a sustained doctrine of deterrence.
Special Forces Empowerment: Expanding and equipping special operations units to respond rapidly in the border belt, with greater autonomy and real-time ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) support.
Cyber and Electronic Warfare: Using cyber tools to disrupt the digital infrastructure of terror networks—communications, recruitment pipelines, and even funding sources that increasingly rely on encrypted platforms.
Marshalling Economic Pressure Tactics: Coordinating with global partners to hit the financial arteries of militant groups, through sanctions, asset freezes, and public disclosures of their backers.
But perhaps most importantly, military action must be backed by strategic patience. The goal should not be just retaliation—it should be disruption, deterrence, and denial of safe havens.
This isn’t about jingoism—it’s about ensuring that the cost of terrorism is too high for any state or non-state actor to bear.
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5. Strategic Military Consideration: Beyond Symbolic Strikes
Military responses to terror attacks must walk a delicate line: assertive enough to deter future strikes, but calibrated to avoid needless escalation—especially in a nuclear-armed neighborhood.
Following the precedent of the 2016 surgical strikes and the 2019 Balakot air strikes, India has shown it will not absorb cross-border terrorism passively. Yet such actions, while bold, must evolve beyond symbolism.
What is needed now is a doctrinal shift—a clear, codified framework that goes beyond “retaliation” and instead embraces pre-emptive disruption. This means:
Persistent Counter-Terror Operations: Establishing standing capabilities to launch precision operations across the LoC when actionable intelligence is available—not as a one-off, but as a sustained doctrine of deterrence.
Special Forces Empowerment: Expanding and equipping special operations units to respond rapidly in the border belt, with greater autonomy and real-time ISR (intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance) support.
Cyber and Electronic Warfare: Using cyber tools to disrupt the digital infrastructure of terror networks—communications, recruitment pipelines, and even funding sources that increasingly rely on encrypted platforms.
Marshalling Economic Pressure Tactics: Coordinating with global partners to hit the financial arteries of militant groups, through sanctions, asset freezes, and public disclosures of their backers.
But perhaps most importantly, military action must be backed by strategic patience. The goal should not be just retaliation—it should be disruption, deterrence, and denial of safe havens.
This isn’t about jingoism—it’s about ensuring that the cost of terrorism is too high for any state or non-state actor to bear.
All of these have been done already. Save for the doctrinal shift. I'm sure it's been made but not made public
The response is generic and run of the mill. I can see why teachers will be worried about students cheating on their essays.
OK we've seen it's default behaviour, let's tweak it a little
3. Can you make an aggressive op-ed
Absolutely. Here’s a more aggressive, hard-hitting version of the op-ed—tone sharpened, language bolder, with clear calls for decisive action:
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Title: After Pahalgam: India Must Speak the Language Terror Understands
Another attack. More innocent lives lost. This time near Pahalgam—a place known for its beauty, now stained with blood. How long will India tolerate being a soft target? How many times must we bury our citizens before we stop responding with platitudes and press releases?
The Pahalgam attack is not just an act of terror. It’s a direct challenge to India's sovereignty. And it demands an answer—not in words, but in force.
Enough is Enough
India cannot afford to treat terrorism like a law and order issue. This is war by another name. And wars are not won with restraint—they are won with resolve. The attackers want fear. It is time they get fear in return. Fear of swift, overwhelming, and unrelenting retribution.
Let’s be clear: If this attack has foreign fingerprints, especially from across the LoC, India must abandon hesitation and embrace decisive military action.
Hit Them Where It Hurts
Surgical strikes and air raids like Balakot made a point. But that point fades if we don’t follow through. Terror networks have rebuilt. They think we’ve gone back to our old playbook—react, move on, repeat. It’s time to change the script.
Launch targeted cross-border operations to eliminate known terror camps—not with noise, but with finality.
Deploy covert assets to dismantle terror networks from within.
Sabotage their digital lifelines—cripple their communications, hack their logistics, freeze their finances.
We need a doctrine of permanent offensive posture. Let every camp, every handler, every state sponsor lose sleep every night wondering if tonight’s the night they vanish off the map.
Diplomacy Has Its Place—but Not as a Crutch
Let’s stop pretending diplomacy alone will deter those who thrive on bloodshed. Name and shame is not enough. Name and isolate. Shame and sanction. Countries that provide safe haven or ideological oxygen to terrorists must pay—politically, economically, globally.
India should rally allies, yes—but also act unilaterally when needed. We don’t need permission to defend ourselves.
Unity as a Weapon
At home, we must remember this: Terror wants division. It wants chaos. That’s its fuel. We must not give it what it wants. But unity does not mean silence. The people of India have every right to demand accountability, preparedness, and leadership.
The government must speak clearly. The opposition must act responsibly. The media must stop chasing outrage and focus on facts. We all have a role in national security.
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Conclusion: Let Fear Change Sides
For too long, Indians have been made to live with the anxiety of the next attack. It’s time that fear changes sides. It’s time the masterminds, the financiers, the enablers of terror—wherever they hide—realize that there is a price for spilling Indian blood.
Let the message be simple: You hit us once, we hit back harder. And if you try again—you may not get the chance to try a third time.
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Title: After Pahalgam: India Must Speak the Language Terror Understands
Another attack. More innocent lives lost. This time near Pahalgam—a place known for its beauty, now stained with blood. How long will India tolerate being a soft target? How many times must we bury our citizens before we stop responding with platitudes and press releases?
The Pahalgam attack is not just an act of terror. It’s a direct challenge to India's sovereignty. And it demands an answer—not in words, but in force.
Enough is Enough
India cannot afford to treat terrorism like a law and order issue. This is war by another name. And wars are not won with restraint—they are won with resolve. The attackers want fear. It is time they get fear in return. Fear of swift, overwhelming, and unrelenting retribution.
Let’s be clear: If this attack has foreign fingerprints, especially from across the LoC, India must abandon hesitation and embrace decisive military action.
Hit Them Where It Hurts
Surgical strikes and air raids like Balakot made a point. But that point fades if we don’t follow through. Terror networks have rebuilt. They think we’ve gone back to our old playbook—react, move on, repeat. It’s time to change the script.
Launch targeted cross-border operations to eliminate known terror camps—not with noise, but with finality.
Deploy covert assets to dismantle terror networks from within.
Sabotage their digital lifelines—cripple their communications, hack their logistics, freeze their finances.
We need a doctrine of permanent offensive posture. Let every camp, every handler, every state sponsor lose sleep every night wondering if tonight’s the night they vanish off the map.
Diplomacy Has Its Place—but Not as a Crutch
Let’s stop pretending diplomacy alone will deter those who thrive on bloodshed. Name and shame is not enough. Name and isolate. Shame and sanction. Countries that provide safe haven or ideological oxygen to terrorists must pay—politically, economically, globally.
India should rally allies, yes—but also act unilaterally when needed. We don’t need permission to defend ourselves.
Unity as a Weapon
At home, we must remember this: Terror wants division. It wants chaos. That’s its fuel. We must not give it what it wants. But unity does not mean silence. The people of India have every right to demand accountability, preparedness, and leadership.
The government must speak clearly. The opposition must act responsibly. The media must stop chasing outrage and focus on facts. We all have a role in national security.
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Conclusion: Let Fear Change Sides
For too long, Indians have been made to live with the anxiety of the next attack. It’s time that fear changes sides. It’s time the masterminds, the financiers, the enablers of terror—wherever they hide—realize that there is a price for spilling Indian blood.
Let the message be simple: You hit us once, we hit back harder. And if you try again—you may not get the chance to try a third time.
Hmm, this is interesting.
The first section, hit them where it hurts to me sounds like what 'do an Israel' would look like.
Our resources are limited for the second point about diplomacy.
Third point about unity is fine but more can be done here
The conclusion is dramatic. Written to fit the binary. What is the fix.
There isn't one but you can make it more costly.
I will compare this later with what pros think our response should be.
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Your comment reeks typical Indian irrationality and tribal hate from within the country against it's own citizens. Just one of the reasons why this country does not grow, thrive forward, rather enemies have a whale of time troubling us.
There are lot of north Indians in TN also working in various strata of that society, that too historically. You should also remember that this issue propped up after there as hate attack against south Indians and they were massively pushed out of MH earlier. The same later happened to north Indians.
You have to admit the fact that Hindi did more to national disintegration than nation building.
You comment comes right at a time when there are political parties in Mumbai and MH protesting against Hindi and thus Hindi is made optional subject.
Sports is their work and part of life. It was played many other well known sportsmen, enjoyed by hundreds of millions all over India and world, livelihood of thousands of people.
Don't know what is the problem here.
If there are illegal citizens in India, it's role of central govt. to stop it from within the country. Sitting and blaming states is not going to help.
Don't know who hurt you from Kerala, but irrational hate against that state is foolish at the best. First, try to learn positive things from that state which stays far ahead of perceptually bimaru northern states in multitude of human life progress parameters.
You seems to have been disillusioned by the kind of moronic movies which you see or be part of. Come to real life from that illusion and your life will be better.
I differ on this part. States play their own politics . Like in West Bengal, Central has been talking about deporting and fencing Bangladesh since a long time but Mamta Banerjee is playing her own politics because they are a big voting bank for her.
Her people even made it difficult for Central govt. officials to survey and execute this plan by threatening the officials and all.
If only our State and central govt. worked together things would have been much more different. they will go to any level to harm each other or to save their chairs even if it against the interest of the country.
For example, Bengal case.
W.Bengal is definitely a critical case, however issue took root much before advent of Mamta. Mamta took the opportunity to exploit that evil.
If state is not co-operating, it's for center to push the state enough, use central govt. force to straighten it out.
It's not that issue is with WB alone, there are tons in MH and other states too.
The real cause why there is no push against illegals is also because business-politico nexus get extremely cheap labor in construction, infra building, etc. exploiting them.
Primary intention about earlier comment is to expose how a Indian knowingly or unknowingly used an extremist event to spit out hate against other Indians where it is not warranted.
If state is not co-operating, it's for center to push the state enough, use central govt. force to straighten it out.
It's not that issue is with WB alone, there are tons in MH and other states too.
The real cause why there is no push against illegals is also because business-politico nexus get extremely cheap labor in construction, infra building, etc. exploiting them.
Primary intention about earlier comment is to expose how a Indian knowingly or unknowingly used an extremist event to spit out hate against other Indians where it is not warranted.
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Issue is opposition in India is soo bad anything even for good they play as negative thing and promote false information
Don't know other user is from which party, but comment here was only intended to expose how knowingly or unknowingly he used an extremist event to spit out hate against other Indians where it is not warranted at all.
exactly.
They will only oppose to everything. good bad ugly ..unko kuch farak nahi .
India lacks credible opposition, which is extremely bad for democracy.
