So none of us will speak about what happened in kashmir today

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a security lapse is still considered a failure. Even though it is nearly impossible to get all scenarios right all the time.

Again how can it be a failure?

1000s of scenarios can happen anytime in Kashmir.

But they don't nor do they happen elsewhere in the country.

We are not in the noughts where there would be blasts every few months all over the country.

That you can call a failure because the government was caught flat footed so many times. It's the frequency that makes the case.

Things are very different today.

 

[yugaaa]

What India can do I guess then is follow israel's footsteps and poison the water supply since gravity will take care of the rest.

Water for peace? Peace for water in Gaza!

This year’s theme of the United Nations’ World Water Day is ‘water for peace’. In one of the world’s most water-scarce and conflict-affected regions,...

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Operation Cast Thy Bread - Wikipedia

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That is what is called as terrorism .

It's not about stopping the water buy rather interfering with it and drawing leverage. Your water expert does not know warfare.

The General has already mentioned one scenario.

We have a terrorist attack and rhe international community is with us . What kind of leverage the general hopes to get is beyond my comprehension. . The bigger fact is that the general failed in stopping an attack .

I agree the government should crack down but how will they do it. The government is a giant machine which effectively makes policies. The armed forces implement it but to do it effectively they need to be given the sufficient tools. You can't give them antiques and expect miracles. Give them fifth generation fighters, rafales, jaguar. Give them the latest drone technologies.

Why was recruitment paused? We now have shortage of people and that's an irony since we have huge population unemployed and vacancies in armed forces and railways.

Why drones and warfare equipment when he have a vishwaguru who knows more AI ,warfare ? Did we not see it on display during phulwama ?
URI attack - BJP government
Gargil attack - BJP government
Pulwama attack - BJP government
Amarnath attack - BJP government
Pathankot attack - BJP government
Parliament attack - BJP government
Akshardam attack - BJP government
Kandahar IC814 Air Trafficking - BJP Government
Kashmiri Hindus expelled - BJP government
Pahlgam attack - BJP government

Do we need more incidents to upgrade and rexruit ?

 

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We have a terrorist attack and rhe international community is with us . What kind of leverage the general hopes to get is beyond my comprehension. .

Leverage with Pakistan.

Suspending the IWT is a big step that will not go unnoticed.

The bigger fact is that the general failed in stopping an attack .

If you are incapable of comprehending my previous reply disputing this then nothing more can be said.

Its like saying - No Vance, we don't want foreign investments in India right now, our country is in turmoil, see what happened during your visit.

Inspite of your presence here we will do what we want to do.

If the US interprets it that way it won't be good for Pakistan. And we see that with the quick show of support from the US.

 

[kiran6680]

My answer was already there on the earlier comment you quoted. Where I clearly mentioned about security lapse on govt. part too .
But very conveniently you ignored it .

That was not the answer, that was the question, duh! The question you asked was "How is govt. To be blamed for this cowardly act?
Other than lapse in security which also is not possible every time. ", which I quoted. Security lapse is part of the question I quoted.

The answer is that when the neighbouring state guy with Z+ level security does the same thing, you say politics is dirty. But when others do the same thing to him, you say "how is govt to blame other than ....".

 

[yugaaa]

Okie, but atleast kill/capture them before they can leave ? What is the response time to a terrorist attack in a region known to have constant infiltration of terrorist ? I know you're not the spokesperson and we all have diff opinions, but the fact is this is our failure & no excuses are acceptable. Our Govt should retaliate strong and convincing enough.

Modi is waiting for new moon so that our fighter pilots can go and bomb . Wait for the vishwaguru .. and the guy in charlie chaplin pants to put up a show .

Leverage with Pakistan.

Suspending the IWT is a big step that will not go unnoticed.

If you are incapable of comprehending my previous reply disputing this then nothing more can be said.

Inspite of your presence here we will do what we want to do.

If the US interprets it that way it won't be good for Pakistan. And we see that with the quick show of support from the US.

Lets be honest . This bullshit theatrics are tried everytime . Cancelling visas , scrapping of a treaty with no meaning in the immediate future is gone stale . Peoplr are bored of jumlas . We are not able to.do anything on the genocide happeningbin Bangladesh and you arw dragging in thr US which has no role or limited role in Pakistan as of now .

 

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Lets be honest . This bullshit theatrics are tried everytime . Cancelling visas , scrapping of a treaty with no meaning in the immediate future is gone stale .

This is your cynicism and short sightedness. Maintaining deterrence is a long game of cat & mouse

Peoplr are bored of jumlas .

Which people? Balakote went down very well. To the point the air chief serving when 26/11 remarked the air force had the same ability to carry out this action but didn't get a green light from the government of the time. They were the ones into jumlas not this one as you will see in the following days & weeks.

and you arw dragging in thr US which has no role or limited role in Pakistan as of now .

US under Trump is anti-jihadi and anti CCP. What's not to like.

 

[solo_wing]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915099757300858937

. Since you claim to.have studied the treaty and geography ,can you please go.through the gentleman tweet and clarify ? FYI .. he is a renowed water resources specialist .

I dont care about the tweet. I only said Nehru was at fault for signing this one-sided treaty and which could have been much better done.

lets try to understand Indus treaty .
West - Indus, Jhelum , Chenab water flows belong to Pakistan.

East - Sutlej,Beas,Ravi belongs to India.

First point - ..eastern side of the river has much less flow than the western side . Almost 4 times less . this one point is enough to say how much this is one-sided.

Second point---The clauses give too much say to Pakistan Even on the use of water from the western flowing river which we are allowed to use for hydro-power projects . Pakistan keeps delaying our projects ( krishanganga project was delayed for 3 years) and Ratle hydro-power project is still under construction due to dispute sighting changes by pakistan and taking us to international courts , world banks . Then as per world banks we had to again make changes. We are keeping our end of the bargain about putting the water back into the river flowing to Pakistan still we have to agree to many terms and condition set by Pakistanis. Pakistan's fear is we can use that to divert the water and stop the flow. based on their fears we will never be able to do anything.

third point- This could have been a big leverage for us against Pakistan had we put a exit clause . There is no exit clause or expiry date to the treaty. The world keeps changing . Environment keeps changing . There is huge water crises in India too. How can we continue with this unfavourable water sharing forever.

 

[TEUser2K1]

Irrespective of this extremist incidence, conflicts between countries for water, especially in asian regions where climate change can effect drastically, was predicted much earlier.

 

[yugaaa]

I dont care about the tweet. I only said Nehru was at fault for signing this one-sided treaty and which could have been much better done.

lets try to understand Indus treaty .
West - Indus, Jhelum , Chenab water flows belong to Pakistan.

East - Sutlej,Beas,Ravi belongs to India.

First point - ..eastern side of the river has much less flow than the western side . Almost 4 times less . this one point is enough to say how much this is one-sided.

Second point---The clauses give too much say to Pakistan Even on the use of water from the western flowing river which we are allowed to use for hydro-power projects . Pakistan keeps delaying our projects ( krishanganga project was delayed for 3 years) and Ratle hydro-power project is still under construction due to dispute sighting changes by pakistan and taking us to international courts , world banks . Then as per world banks we had to again make changes. We are keeping our end of the bargain about putting the water back into the river flowing to Pakistan still we have to agree to many terms and condition set by Pakistanis. Pakistan's fear is we can use that to divert the water and stop the flow. based on their fears we will never be able to do anything.

third point- This could have been a big leverage for us against Pakistan had we put a exit clause . There is no exit clause or expiry date to the treaty. The world keeps changing . Environment keeps changing . There is huge water crises in India too. How can we continue with this unfavourable water sharing forever.

Point was we cannot stop.the flow . You didnt have to cut paste so much which lost of us know anyway .
Treaties ,clauses are done according to international stipulations not according to fancy clown bhakts . Nehru did what was best . May be he brokeres a larger share of resources . So blaming Nehru and jumping without wearing pants at whatever Modi says is stupid .

 

[iPwnz]

"Wagah-Atari border closed."

https://economictimes.com/news/defence/pahalgam-attack-india-suspends-indus-water-treaty-closes-wagah-attari-border-cancels-visas-top-decisions-by-govt/amp_articleshow/120557303.cms

 

[yugaaa]

This is your cynicism and short sightedness. Maintaining deterrence is a long game of cat & mouse

Which people? Balakote went down very well. To the point the air chief serving when 26/11 remarked the air force had the same ability to carry out this action but didn't get a green light from the government of the time. They were the ones into jumlas not this one as you will see in the following days & weeks.

US under Trump is anti-jihadi and anti CCP. What's not to like.

May be I am short sighted ,but the way Modi and his ministers spin tales after an incident is that they blame everyone but themselves .Not 1 minister has taken responsibility and resigned . I am also.pointing out that the govt is no good at a long game of cat and mouse or maintainig deterrence .

If rhe govt does not give green light does it not point out to an inept ,inefficient ,useless ministry and govt in question ?

 

[TEUser2K1]

Pakistan Cites Right To Suspend "All Bilateral Pacts, Including Simla"

With its back against the wall and no other options available, Pakistan's top committee on security met today and after an hours-long discussion decided to mirror India's actions in the wake of the terror attack in Jammu and Kashmir's Pahalgam.

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""Any attempt to stop or divert the flow of water belonging to Pakistan as per the Indus Waters Treaty, and the usurpation of the rights of lower riparian will be considered as an Act of War and responded with full force across the complete spectrum of national power."
Pakistan faces a grave situation should the Indus and two other rivers - Jhelum and Chenab - which flow into the country be diverted or stopped, with tens of millions of people getting affected. Pakistan already faces an acute water shortage and such a punishing move will likely cripple the state of Pakistan."

 

[k660]

May be I am short sighted ,but the way Modi and his ministers spin tales after an incident is that they blame everyone but themselves .Not 1 minister has taken responsibility and resigned . I am also.pointing out that the govt is no good at a long game of cat and mouse or maintainig deterrence .

So basically most if not every government since 1947......

 

[yugaaa]

So basically most if not every government since 1947......

Yes ,but they took responsibility . Resigned . Rejiged . After 2014 theatrics ,jumlas and tomfoolery .

 

[solo_wing]

Point was we cannot stop.the flow . You didnt have to cut paste so much which lost of us know anyway .
Treaties ,clauses are done according to international stipulations not according to fancy clown bhakts . Nehru did what was best . May be he brokeres a larger share of resources . So blaming Nehru and jumping without wearing pants at whatever Modi says is stupid .

that is what most congress chamcha's are always coming up with.

anyways I got the idea who I am dealing with exactly.

 

[yugaaa]

that is what most congress chamcha's are always coming up with.

anyways I got the idea who I am dealing with exactly.

Ok. Enjoy Modi Bihar election speech theatrics .like i said earlier terror attacks happen before elections and Modi milks them into votes .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915308509484249372

 

[solo_wing]

like i said earlier terror attacks happen before elections and Modi milks them into votes .

So going by your theory...Pakistan ISI is working for BJP and lashkar e taiba and The resistance front and all these terror groups are taking orders from BJP and Modi.....sahi hai.

Modi toh jitna socha tha usse bhi aage nikla....Pura ISI ko control kar liya.

 

[altair21]

Reality of today :
Speak to anyone irl about the #pahalgamattack and all are blaming Kashmiri’s and Muslims and Pakistani and not a single person has held the govt accountable.

This is where we stand!

what exactly do you expect the government to do that it isn't already doing there? you can already abuse the government for shit they aren't doing till your throat is sore, why bother making up shit just to criticize the government?

you peeps have issues when internet ia blocked in an active Warzone border, you peeps have issues when army patrols civilian settlements and quells disputes with force when civilians try to attack them with stone pelting, mobbing them and what not.

you can't have your cake and eat it too, either support the army or suffer, how hard is it to understand? it's not like it's the first time J&K has been attacked by terrorists

 

[Tobikage]

Some people saying cutting their water supply is a trivial matter and a joke...

Meanwhile...

 

[yugaaa]

So going by your theory...Pakistan ISI is working for BJP and lashkar e taiba and The resistance front and all these terror groups are taking orders from BJP and Modi.....sahi hai.

Modi toh jitna socha tha usse bhi aage nikla....Pura ISI ko control kar liya.

I was not there when Modi went on a unannounced visit to Pakistan .

Some people saying cutting their water supply is a trivial matter and a joke...

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We cut the water supply in 2019 as well . Do not read too much into the news .