Subhas Chandra Bose wanted ruthless dictatorship in India for 20 years

[Lord Nemesis]

So moral of the story @Lord Nemesis "Half knowledge is dangerous "

^^Oh Please, your knowledge is no better than mine. Everybody has only limited data about Bose and if you are trying to say that if you know something others don't, then you are just full of it. You choose to interpret the information available in your own manner I chose to go with believing the information that I read and the evidence available to me and came to my own logical conclusion. There is enough evidence out there to convince me that at some point he decided that dictatorship was the only practical mode of governance for India.

The TOI article that I linked just happened to confirm the conclusions that I came to after reading from various sources back when I was in the 10th standard, not the other way around. I also had some theories about his disappearance at the time. I thought that if he did not die in an accident as was the primary claim at the time, he might have been captured by one of the countries that fought against Germany like Russia for example which has no of delusions sympathy and which already took a lot of Nazi war prisoners and Nazi/Hitler sympathisers and put them away for life.

 

[Criminal]

The only reason he joined forces with Hitler ( and consequently Moussolini and Tojo since they were all part of the axix group ) was to defeat the British Army.

don't know why people ignore this point. in order to get rid of the British, Bose had to collude with the opposing forces. who else would he have turned to? the Swiss? enemy's enemy is your friend.

There is enough evidence out there to convince me that at some point he decided that dictatorship was the only practical mode of governance for India.

looks like he knew Indians need danda to do the right thing.

 

[Superbad]

Yup. North Korea is surely a better place.

source: me go there for holidays


Absolute power corrupts anyone. This would have made rather worse.

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One more thing, when Bose sought for alliance of Hitler, he surely did know what was going on in those concentration camps. Yeah yeah, I get it, enemy's enemy and all... But just that I would never make a deal with evil or seek help. Hitler was plain evil. And Bose shook hands with him.

even mahatma gandhi addressed hitler as a dear friend. does that make him a supporter of hitler?

also read

http://www.sify.com/news/yes-bose-not-gandhi-gave-us-freedom-news-columns-peotGAdhbdedc.html

and hitler had the support of religious heads then.
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/paul_23_4.html

 

[avi]

It would be irony if you think MKG believed in violence or any of Hitler's methods. I will check the link

 

[pauldmps]

I can understand the requirement of diversion at the time when nasty secrets about Nehru fanatically spying on Bose are out.
India would have been a much better place under Bose than the current psuedo-monarchy (read Gandhi dynasty) it is in. Do you really think Bose really wanted dictatorship? Then why didn't he return back to India and fought for power to rule? He did have humongous support from people then (especially those who were fed up of Congress' soft policies). Instead he chose to lead an anonymous life without taking any credit for what he had done. And before you shout that his "fake death" is a conspiracy theory, please see Mukherjee Commission's report.

Government of India has, since independence, instituted three commissions of inquiry, two of which confirmed the death in the plane crash but the third stated that Bose faked his own death. This report was rejected by the government without citing any reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Subhas_Chandra_Bose

 

[drkrack]

I can understand the requirement of diversion at the time when nasty secrets about Nehru fanatically spying on Bose are out.
India would have been a much better place under Bose than the current psuedo-monarchy (read Gandhi dynasty) it is in. Do you really think Bose really wanted dictatorship? Then why didn't he return back to India and fought for power to rule? He did have humongous support from people then (especially those who were fed up of Congress' soft policies). Instead he chose to lead an anonymous life without taking any credit for what he had done. And before you shout that his "fake death" is a conspiracy theory, please see Mukherjee Commission's report.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Subhas_Chandra_Bose

Precisely that's what my point is. We gave a virtual dictatorship to a Nehru dynasty, What Indiraji did during emergency is very well known.

67yrs + still we don't know how to run a democracy properly, Bose dictatorship for 20yrs would have been less worse than Playboy PM for 17 yrs. Who knows a much painful Partition, POK issues could've been avoided?

 

[eternoMind]

Hindsight bias' most famous victim (at least in India) seems to be Nehru!

There were blunders, no doubt, but to say his prime minister-ship was disaster is stretching things too far. His rule did provide much needed stability post Independence and partition unrest. He overstayed (17 years is a long time), which I believe is what gives his detractors all that ammo to bash him. For installing dynastic rule, blame is squarely on Indira.

I personally don't care if Modi is celibate or if Nehru was a philanderer as long as they get the job done. Also why nobody cares that MMS was honest because he didn't get the job done, simple as that.

Regardless of what Bose's intentions were, absolute rule akin to dictatorship can't be good. Exactly why a strong opposition is needed even in today's India.

We also need to be glad that our freedom was not won the military way. Once out of their barracks, they rarely go back inside!

 

[avi]

For installing dynastic rule, blame is squarely on Indira.

Blaming Nehru for dynasty is stupid. It was Indira who started all.

 

[rishabh.asthana]

Precisely that's what my point is. We gave a virtual dictatorship to a Nehru dynasty, What Indiraji did during emergency is very well known.

67yrs + still we don't know how to run a democracy properly, Bose dictatorship for 20yrs would have been less worse than Playboy PM for 17 yrs. Who knows a much painful Partition, POK issues could've been avoided?

People of Cambodia, Russia, China thought the same way regarding dictatorship and see how dearly they had to pay. dictatorship is never good for any country. He may have been a playboy but he also started the modernization of India. The IITs/IIMs we are so proud of were started by his government.

 

[drkrack]

We also need to be glad that our freedom was not won the military way. Once out of their barracks, they rarely go back inside!

Yes , That is why we never understood it's importance till date. We very speedily sold it (freedom) to our Capitalists & Politicians ASAP. We still don't understand that , it is equal amount of struggle that is required to achieve a freedom ; is required to Maintain it.

Regardless of what Bose's intentions were, absolute rule akin to dictatorship can't be good. Exactly why a strong opposition is needed even in today's India.

This is a point well taken, in present scenario it appears very illogical. In 1947 probably dictatorship was in trend. anyway my concern is with Congress Rule Post Independence.

People of Cambodia, Russia, China thought the same way regarding dictatorship and see how dearly they had to pay. dictatorship is never good for any country. He may have been a playboy but he also started the modernization of India. The IITs/IIMs we are so proud of were started by his government.

Please get Facts right, IITs were conceptualized much before 1947. Are you saying it was Nehru Govt's Brain child ?? LOL. BTW statistically the contribution of IITians in Indian Scientific Excellence, is itself controversial.
I agree that Dictatorship wasn't a great choice, but neither the congress rule post independence was ! Ideally Congress should have been dissolved and fresh Mandate was taken.


Watch this interesting video, this cleverly summarizes most of the facts.

 

[pauldmps]

Regardless of what Bose's intentions were, absolute rule akin to dictatorship can't be good. Exactly why a strong opposition is needed even in today's India.

Agree. But I firmly do not believe that he had such intentions. He just wanted to fight against the British instead of going soft like the Congress.

We also need to be glad that our freedom was not won the military way. Once out of their barracks, they rarely go back inside!

We did not win freedom. The British left as it became unsustainable for them to run the country.

Blaming Nehru for dynasty is stupid. It was Indira who started all.

Was that sarcasm?

 

[pauldmps]

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[avi]

^ Nope.

 

[Kilroyquasar]

I can understand the requirement of diversion at the time when nasty secrets about Nehru fanatically spying on Bose are out.
India would have been a much better place under Bose than the current psuedo-monarchy (read Gandhi dynasty) it is in. Do you really think Bose really wanted dictatorship? Then why didn't he return back to India and fought for power to rule? He did have humongous support from people then (especially those who were fed up of Congress' soft policies). Instead he chose to lead an anonymous life without taking any credit for what he had done. And before you shout that his "fake death" is a conspiracy theory, please see Mukherjee Commission's report.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Subhas_Chandra_Bose

Some days back, there was this article (perhaps first in such a series recently?):

http://blogs.economictimes.indiatim...orians-should-look-elsewhere/?intenttarget=no

Also, Chachaji and Indiraji recommending themselves as Bharat's gems perhaps is a bit telling of dynastic or autocratic mindset(s)? ofc there are more incidents to tell about the same, but that would stretch the topic for some more scandal-mongering.

 

[drkrack]

some days back, there was this article (perhaps first in such a series recently?):

http://blogs.economictimes.indiatim...orians-should-look-elsewhere/?intenttarget=no

Also, Chachaji and Indiraji recommending themselves as Bharat's gems perhaps is a bit telling of dynastic or autocratic mindset(s)? ofc there are more incidents to tell about the same, but that would stretch the topic for some more scandal-mongering.

It's like trying prove a Rape victim as a woman with loose character in court , when you know that you've raped.

Now as Modiji has assured Bose kins of Declassification of Bose files, Congress knows that they're heading towards another biggest controversy. Congress and it's Presstitutes will not leave any stone unturned to justify snooping on Bose family.

I think even Lal Bahadur Shastri death wasn't a lesser controversy either, his files should be declassified too. The country has paid a lot for Congress misdoings (and their leaders power hunger), let everything come in open.

 

[Kilroyquasar]

It's like trying prove a Rape victim as a woman with loose character in court , when you know that you've raped.

Now as Modiji has assured Bose kins of Declassification of Bose files, Congress knows that they're heading towards another biggest controversy. Congress and it's Presstitutes will not leave any stone unturned to justify snooping on Bose family.

I think even Lal Bahadur Shastri death wasn't a lesser controversy either, his files should be declassified too. The country has paid a lot for Congress misdoings (and their leaders power hunger), let everything come in open.

Shastriji, Upadhyay ji, and a few more, whose exact causes of deaths have remained a mystery, these cases should be investigated thoroughly. now that a high-level committee has already been formed, expect more such instances and articles from the infamous nexus of JNU/SRC jholawaalas & the congress; considering the committee has RAW & IB officials too in it, won't be a wonder to see slanderous allegations made against these agencies too (after all, it wasn't so long ago that some 'very informed' bigwigs of the congress party were peddling 'truths' about the unholy union of the dreaded RSS and RAW and IB and what-have-you, behind 26/11 and such attacks).

BTW, two of the regiments under the INA were named as 'Gandhi' and 'Nehru'; perhaps somewhat reveals the fascist mindset of Netaji for them authors? since for the crime of meeting with the reps of the axis powers to seek some assistance, Netaji seems to have earned a 'celebrated' position in the 'elite fascists club' posthumously, i guess then perhaps Roosevelt and Churchill should also be inducted in there ceremoniously.

 

[rishabh.asthana]

Please get Facts right, IITs were conceptualized much before 1947. Are you saying it was Nehru Govt's Brain child ?? LOL. BTW statistically the contribution of IITians in Indian Scientific Excellence, is itself controversial.
I agree that Dictatorship wasn't a great choice, but neither the congress rule post independence was ! Ideally Congress should have been dissolved and fresh Mandate was taken.

conceptualization and actual implementation are totally different things, fact remains that the first IIT was established by the Congress govt at that time led by Nehru.

There were many ideas that were conceptualized bu previous UPA regime and are now being implemented by NDA government so whom should we give credit to ?

If not congress then which political party should have ruled India after independence ? Also it was not like they forced themselves to power. Elections were held and people did vote. So either the population at that time was severely dumb or they saw Congress as a viable party to lead India.

 

[krugur]

conceptualization and actual implementation are totally different things, fact remains that the first IIT was established by the Congress govt at that time led by Nehru.
There were many ideas that were conceptualized bu previous UPA regime and are now being implemented by NDA government so whom should we give credit to ?
If not congress then which political party should have ruled India after independence ? Also it was not like they forced themselves to power. Elections were held and people did vote. So either the population at that time was severely dumb or they saw Congress as a viable party to lead India.

Nehru was not the candidate gandhi wanted as Indian prime minister. It was Muhammad Ali Jinnah. If Nehru wasnt such a ______, there would never been an issue and never would pakistan or even bangladesh cut out from it. The gandhi family has done more harm than help. Congress would have been a lot better in hands of the like of lal bahadur shastri (who apparently had a heart attack).

 

[superczar]

I can understand the requirement of diversion at the time when nasty secrets about Nehru fanatically spying on Bose are out.
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We parted ways with the British on good terms
If there was someone in the country seen as colluding with the axis powers (and its hard to argue that it was not an evil collusion), you would do the same i.e. share updates on the said persons' whereabouts with Britain

As for all the talk dissing Nehru, does anyone really believe India would have survived as a single democratic nation in the absence of his unifying presence?
Sure Some, maybe many of his ideas may be debatably wrong in hindsight..
What his progeny did is another story
But that does not take away the fact that in the absence of a strong and calm leader , we would have long disintegrated into a medley of broken states or perhaps another farcical democracy with real power vested in the military

 

[eternoMind]

Agree. But I firmly do not believe that he had such intentions. He just wanted to fight against the British instead of going soft like the Congress.

We did not win freedom. The British left as it became unsustainable for them to run the country.

That is another debate. Had Indians continued to be mute subjects instead of gathering steam for total independence, may be Britain would have found enough time to gather itself after the war. You could argue this both ways without much to show for it.

I too would like to give the benefit of the doubt to Bose. I'd like to believe he was a patriot who wasn't aware of the true horrors of Nazi Germany. But since there is nothing apart from my personal belief in support of this view, I'd like to sit on the fence regarding his true intentions on ruling India as a dictator or being in cahoots with Hitler and his genocidal propaganda.

This is a point well taken, in present scenario it appears very illogical. In 1947 probably dictatorship was in trend. anyway my concern is with Congress Rule Post Independence.

It ruled too long. Simple as that. Any entity that is in power that long is bound to slip-up(s).
In their defense, they did have free and fair elections but in the absence of any meaningful opposition, the party won repeatedly. No wonder a strong opposition is so important in an evolving democracy!

This is somewhat OT but I'd like to share this here nevertheless. A few years back when quite a few of my friends were preparing for their MBAs, I'd often heard them bash Nehru (and his socialism) for all of India's present ills. Hindu rate of growth, East Asian fisherman colonies turning into developed nations while India sat behind, lack of competition hurting overall development often came into the picture when we talked about such stuff. Turns out most of them learned about these things from their MBA coaching classes and popular media. At the same time, they used to go on and on about MMS's LPG reforms and how they changed the course of India's economy for the better. He was a messiah who could do no wrong.

I'm not for a moment saying that the above factors didn't hurt India big time. Just want to point out how a popular perception has cast a shadow over the positives of Nehru. If you want to know his successes, just ask a Civil Service aspirant .

Anyways, would love to see how those preparing for their MBAs a decade or so from now would view MMS's two stints as PM!