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neojjjk

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Hi,
I am an MBBS graduate...planning to study abroad...but I am interested only in non-clinical field..Can do pg non clinicel or diploma non clinical courses.....PLZ anyone suggest a course and a country(countries like NZ,Canada,ireland,switz,etc etc) which has more job opportunities & income.....so that I can be well settled .. PLZ help :huh:
 
Pharmacy, medical representatives or something?

Kya baat hai...bhaisahab MBBS kar key compounder ka kaam karna chahtey hai just for "more money" and to get "abroad".
 
You can go in for something like Masters in Hospital Administation, Masters in Public Health or something like Masters in Pathology (If you are into research). There are good number of options in US but I have heard that it is very difficult to be a PR as compared to Canada or Australia.
 
l33t_5n1p3r_max said:
Pharmacy, medical representatives or something?

Kya baat hai...bhaisahab MBBS kar key compounder ka kaam karna chahtey hai just for "more money" and to get "abroad".
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non clinical fields like microbiology,pathology,anatomy,pharmac,biochemistry etc etc
 
non clinical fields like microbiology,pathology,anatomy,pharmac,biochemistr y etc etc
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If your MBBS course is recognised abroad you can get into research without having any additional degrees. I know a couple of people working at the national tissue repository NUH, Singapore and they have done their MBBS.

As for pathology, wouldn't you need to get an MD to practice that in India? I'll stop now because my knowledge on this is limited but I'm hazarding a guess that the field of pathology also comes under the "clinical" field you seem to be averse to.
 
Pathology is also a non-clinical field, in that you don't come into direct contact with patients.

@neojjk: I believe Community Medicine has an excellent opportunity as long as you are not planning to settle down in India.
 
logistopath said:
Pathology is also a non-clinical field, in that you don't come into direct contact with patients.

@neojjk: I believe Community Medicine has an excellent opportunity as long as you are not planning to settle down in India.
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I will come back to India ...I love my place..so I am looking to find a non clinical course which is accepted in my place also ...so that i can join in any hospital or as a teacher in any college in my place...I forgot to mention I don't like MPH (which is community med)....

any idea about microbiology ,pathology and any other fields .In india we have diplomas in our medical colleges for non clinical studies like diploma in radiology ,radiography for doctors....is there any similar non clinical or diploma courses available in NZ ,CAN,switz,ireland ? PLZ help... :)
 
ok i m in same sitaution as urs and i too dont like the clinical side , dont know why ,
i was looking for a MD in radio diagnosis from the Yerevan State medical university in Armenia - East Europe

YSMU

its a 2yr old course with approx 4500 USD annual fee

also u can go to ukarine that Lugansk State medical university Lugansk state medical university Lugansk | state medical university Lugansk | state medical university ukraine
they also have various pg courses

But the only thing is that MCI doesnt recognise that , u can get a job ata private hospital but then ur pay will be less than the MD people

or u can also have the option of doing sonography courses from Indira gandhi open national university - New delhi ,
they offer diploma courses in sonography, echocariography etc..

in short if u get a degree from abroad : u cant work there neither can u work here legally as the degree is not recognised

u can do 6 months- 1 year diploma in sonography and after necessaary work experience u can setup ur own USG clinic , and thats approved , nobody can challenge u on that

or better still study and try to clear the AIPG :P

BTW: in which year did u do ur graduation and from which college
 
Metalspree said:
Give me time till weekend.I will try getting some info in NZ
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Thanks buddy....

MohitPreet said:
ok i m in same sitaution as urs and i too dont like the clinical side , dont know why ,

i was looking for a MD in radio diagnosis from the Yerevan State medical university in Armenia - East Europe

YSMU

its a 2yr old course with approx 4500 USD annual fee

also u can go to ukarine that Lugansk State medical university Lugansk state medical university Lugansk | state medical university Lugansk | state medical university ukraine

they also have various pg courses

But the only thing is that MCI doesnt recognise that , u can get a job ata private hospital but then ur pay will be less than the MD people

or u can also have the option of doing sonography courses from Indira gandhi open national university - New delhi ,

they offer diploma courses in sonography, echocariography etc..

in short if u get a degree from abroad : u cant work there neither can u work here legally as the degree is not recognised

u can do 6 months- 1 year diploma in sonography and after necessaary work experience u can setup ur own USG clinic , and thats approved , nobody can challenge u on that

or better still study and try to clear the AIPG :P

BTW: in which year did u do ur graduation and from which college
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I am from kerala ..i finished it in 2007...after that got some gp's :bleh:

can we get any job in any hospitals after sonography course in NZ or in canada? my seniors joined for BIOTECH/INDUTRIAL MICRO course & BIO INFORMATICS course in canada...my doubt is ...is it possible to grab a job in India or in gulf after 10 years?? (planning to return to India after 10 yrs)

can we get any job in India after non clinical studies in NZ/can/switz/ireland ???
 
my seniors joined for BIOTECH/INDUTRIAL MICRO course & BIO INFORMATICS course in canada...my doubt is ...
Hi, I am also looking for research job outside. Could you tell me how your seniors got those jobs. And how are they doing in terms of job satisfaction and earning ??
 
neojjjk said:
Thanks buddy....
I am from kerala ..i finished it in 2007...after that got some gp's :bleh:
now doing rural serv after a small break....
can we get any job in any hospitals after sonography course in NZ or in canada? my seniors joined for BIOTECH/INDUTRIAL MICRO course & BIO INFORMATICS course in canada...my doubt is ...is it possible to grab a job in India or in gulf after 10 years?? (planning to return to India after 10 yrs)
can we get any job in India after non clinical studies in NZ/can/switz/ireland ???
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wat are gp's ? dont know :P
i dont think u can get a job in NZ/canada after that but yes u can do it in gulf for sure
in India that are not recognised but then u can always write degress as many as u like after ur MBBS
works for some :P
 
MohitPreet said:
wat are gp's ? dont know :P
i dont think u can get a job in NZ/canada after that but yes u can do it in gulf for sure
in India that are not recognised but then u can always write degress as many as u like after ur MBBS
works for some :P
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gp means general practice ...was working in some hospitals and clinics

Ok suppose I am doing a pg/diploma course in canada or in NZ...and what are the chances of getting a job there ?
 
Dude you first need to decide whether you want to come back to India after your studies, or want to stay abroad and work there.

Next you need to decide on one field. Para-clinicals like Pathology, Microbiology, Phramacology etc are highly academic now and have great research potential. Non-clinicals like Anatomy, Biochemistry etc will keep you in academics all the time as they too have great research going on.

Those were fields that are still related to Medicine. If you want to change your line of work altogether then I would suggest going in for MBA. Go into management and stay away from clinical stuff.

May I inquire as to why you want to stay away from clinical medicine? Where have you graduated from? Done with your internship?

You also need to decide as to why you want to go abroad for future studies. Is the course you are looking to do not available in India? Or do you have the idea that a foreign returned with a post-grad degree will have more demand back in India?

Think about what you want, and how to accomplish it. If you are looking for a cushy life by avoiding clinical medicine, then believe you me, para-clinicals are really tough to survive in. How will you earn? How will you sustain yourself? There will be a ceiling level at which you will stagnate by just sticking to a para-clinical field. Unless of course you plan on doing research, or setting up your own laboratory, or tying up with a super duper multi-speciality hospital.
 
phoenix844884 said:
Dude you first need to decide whether you want to come back to India after your studies, or want to stay abroad and work there.

Next you need to decide on one field. Para-clinicals like Pathology, Microbiology, Phramacology etc are highly academic now and have great research potential. Non-clinicals like Anatomy, Biochemistry etc will keep you in academics all the time as they too have great research going on.

Those were fields that are still related to Medicine. If you want to change your line of work altogether then I would suggest going in for MBA. Go into management and stay away from clinical stuff.

May I inquire as to why you want to stay away from clinical medicine? Where have you graduated from? Done with your internship?

You also need to decide as to why you want to go abroad for future studies. Is the course you are looking to do not available in India? Or do you have the idea that a foreign returned with a post-grad degree will have more demand back in India?

Think about what you want, and how to accomplish it. If you are looking for a cushy life by avoiding clinical medicine, then believe you me, para-clinicals are really tough to survive in. How will you earn? How will you sustain yourself? There will be a ceiling level at which you will stagnate by just sticking to a para-clinical field. Unless of course you plan on doing research, or setting up your own laboratory, or tying up with a super duper multi-speciality hospital.
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ya I want to return to my India after working there for atleast 10 years
no plans for MBA
I completed my MBBS from a Govt.medical college, kerala...
Now working in a Govt .health center ...
thanks for ur valuable suggestions ...I will getback to u after deciding which field has more scope in India ,so that I can come back and settle later....

If u and others have any suggestions please reply :hap2:
 
As a doctor you should know that your options are limited. For a quality education, that is.

Australia has a 8 year policy for foreign doctors. Either come as a graduate, do your PG there and serve in a rural area for the remainder out of 8 years and get out, OR come as a specialist, work for 8 years and then get out. They don't give any consideration for quality of work done and no citizenship opportunities, unless of course you have the biggest strings to pull.

New Zealand has slightly easier laws, but their standard of education is still lacking. Especially for para-clinical and non-clinical fields.

UK has closed its doors to Indians and everyone else except Europeans and Eastern Europeans.

Other European countries like Armenia, and Russia and China in Asia have poor education standards. What is the point of spending so much time and money and not even receiving the best education?

Singapore has opened up opportunities for medical graduates from only 9 or 10 top medical colleges of India. Only those students can appear for a screening test and interview for further education and employment. Actually they have a very good system there, but like I said, it is open for only a limited number of people from select colleges.

Canada has far better education facilities than any of the above mentioned places (only the US supersedes it, and by a long way). The exams you take for US certification are valid in Canada as well, but there is another easy exam which has to be taken. They have good employment and citizenship opportunities.

Finally, the mecca of modern medical education, the USA. This country has the best education system in place for medicine. The research here is ground breaking and cutting edge. The lives of doctors is tough here but it is also highly paying and satisfactory because of the work ethics in place. Opportunities for para-clinical and non-clinical fields are in abundance and the employment rates are high.

That was a short synopsis of all the opportunities that an Indian medical graduate has for further education outside of India. Feel free to ask anymore questions.

Coming to other important issues. The PG degrees/diplomas from many of the above mentioned countries are still not recognized in India. Only degrees from UK, Singapore, and Canada have relevance. Not even US degrees are recognized, even though the process has begun and they should be recognized by the end of 2012.

I mention this because it is very important. Although there have been very few cases of people in India practicing with foreign degrees and getting caught, but God help you if that situation were to arise. Majority of the people get away with it and only a handful are ever caught. But the consequences of that are devastating. You risk losing your medical registration and license and losing all your life's hard work.

If you are inclined to stay in India, or work in India in the future, or even come back, it would suit you to prepare for Indian PG exams and stay there. Para-clinicals are good abroad because of all the research they do. Also if the US has the best research going on, then there is no point in staying in India. If you plan to work in India in a non-clinical field then an Indian PG degree is your best bet. Only pathologists and microbiologists have anything to with regular jobs in hospitals and those are very limited and salary based. If you were to stay in a salaried job in a hospital, then staying in India is your best shot. Unless you plan to open up your own diagnostic laboratory, join a big super duper multi-speciality hospital, your options are limited.

That was just an example. You need to finalize what field you want to go into, what are its future prospects, and what it entails for you.
 
@ phoenix844884 Thanks mate superb....

no plans for australia....,, is it possible to work in India after taking a PG degree/diploma from canada /NZ ?
 
Anything is possible until you get caught. :P

But yeah, Canadian degrees are recognized in India. I don't know about NZ. People who go to NZ usually stay there and never come back. LOL
 
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