The Cove Documentary

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Just completed watching The cover documentary.OMG its was ruthless killing of dolphins by the Japanese:@.I know this is a on going issues from many years but i never knew what exactly was it until i saw this amazing documentary done Richard O'Barry and Louie Psihoyos.Please stop killing the dolphins :@:@.

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They need people for the online petition here Help Save Japan's Dolphins
 
There is also some annual seal hunting thing in Canada AFAIK. Protests are ON to stop that too. I had received a fwd of this and it was so heartbreaking. Really ruthless killing of seals.
 
Damn thing made me cry in the end. What was surprizing was the fact that this doc was shot in the lines of a good thriller.

But let me point out a hypocrisy here. Apart from the Japanese, there aren't any other nations out there that are killing mammals?

Why should we cry for Dolphins alone? What about the Dogs that cooked for meat in SE Asia and Korea? What about the Horses getting slaughtered for meat in France? What about the Seal Hunts in the arctic region? And let's not get even started on the amount of Beef & Bacon that Developed nations consume.

If this hypocrisy was exposed in "The Cove" it would have been more balanced. Instead the documentary really presents a one sided story.

I'm not supporting the Japanese over here. Those guys have to be controlled for their Whale, Dolphins & Porpoise killing. But what if the Japanese hire a crew and do the same thing over and show what happens in other countries?
 
neoronin said:
But let me point out a hypocrisy here. Apart from the Japanese, there aren't any other nations out there that are killing mammals?
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I guess the reason dolphins get more attention is because they are supposed to be more intelligent. However, they aren't an endangered species and are killed for their meat rather than hunted for sport or some ridiculous ceremony etc which makes it ok in my book.
 
chiron said:
I guess the reason dolphins get more attention is because they are supposed to be more intelligent. However, they aren't an endangered species and are killed for their meat rather than hunted for sport or some ridiculous ceremony etc which makes it ok in my book.
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No, it is not ok to kill them for any reasons.

I am all for controlled culling of speciesm, if it gets out of hand. But it is a proven fact that Dolphin meat is poisonous [in case if you haven't watched "The Cove" yet, it is repeatedly hammered in the doc] So in any way which you look, the killing of Dolphins is an utter waste of meat and resources. The Japanese fishermen keep doing it for the ridiculous amount of money the captive Dolphins fetch.
 
neoronin said:
No, it is not ok to kill them for any reasons.
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The only time when a human being (including yourself) or any other living organism stops killing other living organisms on this planet is after they die. It doesn't matter what you eat or do. Even by breathing, you kill thousands of living organisms.

Amusingly, once you die, you sustain life for other organisms (for the maggots and the microscopic organisms that feed on your corpse and as fertilizer for plants).

So if you are strongly against killing of living organisms, you need to drop dead to make any meaningful contribution in that direction. :rofl:

That aside, every living organism is treated as a natural resource by humans and used as such regardless of whether you like it or not. You may argue that a human has no right to do that and you may be true, but still as long as the humans have the power to do it, they will. It holds for any other organism that's in the same position as humans.

So at the least, making efficient use of our resources and not being wasteful about it is good enough for me. In that respect, Japanese make very efficient use their living resources. If they kill an animal for food, they do not throw away a lot of the internals like Europeans, Americans or even us Indians do. They do not kill a Rhino or an elephant just for the Ivory. They make use of everything that can be put to use by humans. Fishing is their primary source of food as well as many other needs and any make very efficient use of it. In that aspect they are far better off than any of the rest of the world.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
The only time when a human being (including yourself) or any other living organism stops killing other living organisms on this planet is after they die. It doesn't matter what you eat or do. Even by breathing, you kill thousands of living organisms.

Amusingly, once you die, you sustain life for other organisms (for the maggots and the microscopic organisms that feed on your corpse and as fertilizer for plants).

So if you are strongly against killing of living organisms, you need to drop dead to make any meaningful contribution in that direction. :rofl:

That aside, every living organism is treated as a natural resource by humans and used as such regardless of whether you like it or not. You may argue that a human has no right to do that and you may be true, but still as long as the humans have the power to do it, they will. It holds for any other organism that's in the same position as humans.

So at the least, making efficient use of our resources and not being wasteful about it is good enough for me. In that respect, Japanese make very efficient use their living resources. If they kill an animal for food, they do not throw away a lot of the internals like Europeans, Americans or even us Indians do. They do not kill a Rhino or an elephant just for the Ivory. They make use of everything that can be put to use by humans. Fishing is their primary source of food as well as many other needs and any make very efficient use of it. In that aspect they are far better off than any of the rest of the world.
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There is a difference between efficient use of resources and blatant exploitation. Fish is a staple food for Japanese, agreed. They don't eat that much of Red meat. But are you aware of the reasons why every country in the world is against Japan [except the small ones which Japan pays to keep their mouth shut] for its attitude towards caeteceans? They are simply wiping them off the food chain.

Japanese see the caeteceans as pests that are threatening to wipe out their primary food source. The fear factor combined with the attitude of "Enough of these damn westerners" is what is prompting them to continue the wholesale slaughter of the species.

There have been enough studies conducted on their genocidal behaviour against caeteceans. Maybe they should stop this for a change and go after those god-damn giant jellyfish Japanese Waters Witness an Attack of Giant Jellyfish|Aquaviews – Online SCUBA Magazine

Factoid: River Dolphin happens to be our National Aquatic Animal!!! Never knew we had a category like this before
 
If dolphin meat is poisonous, what are the Japs doing with the meat then.

Just culling for the sake of it ?
 
blr_p said:
If dolphin meat is poisonous, what are the Japs doing with the meat then.

Just culling for the sake of it ?
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I think you need to watch the doc before understanding some of the issues involved.

Most of the Japanese don't know the meat that is sold to them and they don't know what is happening in Taiji. Mercury poisoning is a very sensitive issue in Japan [not only because of Dolphin meat but other Cetaceans]. Dolphin meat is passed of as whale meat in most of the cases.

The Cove does a very good job of highlighting this moonshine meat. It also highlighted the fact that the Dolphin meat was a rich source of Mercury. As a result of this doc, Dolphin meat was immediately pulled off from the school lunch menus.

The reason for culling is very simple, Money. The Dolphin meat fetches quite a tidy sum, so why leave it.
 
Lord Nemesis said:
So if you are strongly against killing of living organisms, you need to drop dead to make any meaningful contribution in that direction. :rofl:
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nw if i saw this posted here a while back...

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Regardless this was a more interesting watch than the michael moore documentaries etc so check it out regardless of what you think of the issue (not that it needs to be something us Indians need to be bothered with considering all our problems).
 
So, how is this any different from killing other animals for food or clothing? Just because you don't have a soft corner for other animals, it makes it ok to kill them?
 
Bluffmaster said:
So, how is this any different from killing other animals for food or clothing? Just because you don't have a soft corner for other animals, it makes it ok to kill them?
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Maintain a balance. But I think we are highly unqualified [or incapable] to do that. Apart from the anthropomorphic reasons behind protecting cetaceans, I think we can draw a line between killing creatures which are self-aware and creatures which stand & cry or if you prefer, sit & sing "eat me" [Suddenly got reminded about "The Restaurant at the end of Universe"]:ohyeah:
 
Lots of seafood has mercury in it, tuna is a good example. The BIG question is dosage or how much one consumes.

So why are dolphins any more dangerous to eat than other seafood ?
 
General rule about mercury levels in seafood is simple, the bigger the fish [or mammal] & the older it is, more the mercury poisoning. That's one of the reasons Dolphin meat is more poisonous than say Tuna [Which is also quite dangerous in it's own right]

See the following table

Mercury Levels in Commercial Fish and Shellfish

Average Dolphin meat contains 6.62 ppm which is way higher than most fish.
 
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