Graphic Cards The Nvidia vs Ati Thread

Guys.......... Please STOP....

This can go on forever. It is neverending. The nvidia fans will never stop and neither will the ATI fans.

Now, I am not calling any of you nvidia fans or ATI fans. But stop. Start a nrew thread if you want.

This is abt SLI........ Let us get back to the topic...
 
Thats being a total biased undertaker. you have one of the worst FX cards ever made.You are happy with it so be it. but dont shut your eyes to the facts.
We do have sapphire, MSI, ASUS now in India. Powercolor has improved on their quality a lot now.

Here are some facts.......
X850XT is available now..
It is the fastest single card.
6800U with 600/1000 is not available.
SLI 6800U/GT system will cost twice as much as single X850XT.
6800GT is best bang for buck in the enthusiast segment, i still feel its better investment than x800xl due to its overclocking capability.
Thease are the facts. Dont be biased and dont be a fanboy.
Buy whatever gives better bang for your $$$$$.
Thats what i do. I bought Nvidia in old days. Bought ATI when it was better and now i have Nvidia bcoz it was better and cheaper when i bought it.
 
ou have one of the worst FX cards ever made.
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Well its actually the best VFM geforce ever sold here prior to the 6600gt of course.Note "vfm".(recommended by TT twice)
All that I had in Ati's stable in that price range was a poor powercolor 9550 for 400 more and 2 years less warranty.
I don't have the luxury of ordering x800xt's from abroad and then changing them with 6800s on fancy. ;)
Though that will change soon ....
 
EXACTLY!!!!

I was all ready to buy a 9800 pro or XT. Then the 6x00 cards were released. I immediately bought a 6800GT.

There is no use in getting stuck to brands. Go with what is the best. Otherwise, no one loses but you .
 
Unlike Ati x800(how many are there plain,pro and XL?)>x800xt->x800xt pe->x850->x850xt->x850xt pe.(wtf?) All they have done along this line is give the card a lil mhz push so that the end result x850xt just gets ahead of the 6800u in some benchies,not all.
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Does it sound harsh coz its the truth? :cool2:
BTW,Herez my card's performance for u:
doom3,800x600,all high:34.6 fps
hl2,dx8.1,with water patch,1024x768:47fps
800x600,,2xaa,2xaf:54fps
nfsu2,1024x768,medium:26fps.
Surely the best vfm back in dec and still very good "low-end" card.
 
i dont know for how much you bought this card in december but 9600pro was available for 7.5-8K and 9600np for 6-6.5K( i bought this for my family PC in november so i know exact price of 9600np) then and both of these cards will perform twice what you are getting now.

And as i said earlier, its what you wanted and its a good buy for you so be it. Noone has anything against it. A value for money catagory is card that costs between 7-11K and has the best performance. Thats why 9600pro became so popular in India. and now 6600 and 6600GTs.
Anything lower than say 6-7K is pure value segment.
 
Yeah,may be in some place in Lamington road sure the 9600np was available not here in Delhi it was not.It doesn't perform 2x that of 5700 at any rate though.Atleast not where it matters.(and 3dmark'05 isn't something that matters on these cards).
And in most OpenGl games takes quite beating from it.
U mean to say a 9600 will give me:
68 fps in doom3?Or 52fps in nfsu:2?
Man u r a greater fanatic than even Aces.
No wonder the world is at war! :rofl:
I bought the card for 6.2k btw.And the only 9600 card with decent quality was the 9600 pro Gigabyte for 9800 in Delhi(thanks to both Gigabyte and Ati for such wonderful distys),much over my budget of 6.5k (then).
I searched about 6-7 shops for a decent brand 9600pro in the range u mentioned but drew a blank.All these were major shops.
And in most older games ,the 9600 doesn't even hold a candle to the 5700.
http://www.cooltechzone.com/reviews/video_cards/slmt_001.php
 
no card gives 52FPS in NFSU2. If you dont know that then what do you know.
EA has restricted FPS in NFSU and U2. Thats why sometimes when you go in tunnel and FPS jumps the car is uncontrollable. Thats the NFSu issue and hence the limit is there.
And no doom3 wont go over 60 FPS anyway while you play no matter what card you have.
But yes 9600 would have given you much better performance in games like farcry, HL2.
You would have been able to turn on some eye candy in old games.
You wana know where 5700LE stands? Have a look at the review.
Then search for any 9600NP/pro review and look at the numbers.
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/galaxy/5700le/

EDIT: dude your card is LE and not 5700.
 
First of all funky:Sure u can afford all the latest stuff.But that doesn't mean that other people are stupid.
Well I have seen reviews in which nfsu:2 averages 58fps on 6800 cards after the latest patch which considerably improved the 6-series performance.
"EA has restricted FPS in NFSU and U2. Thats why sometimes when you go in tunnel and FPS jumps the car is uncontrollable. Thats the NFSu issue and hence the limit is there"
Where did u get that from?In tunnels the scene is less complex(no fog,no complex environments,no lights in the background) so the fps will "jump" there.
U can uncap doom3 to give more than 60fps in benchies.If "u don't know that ,then what do u know"?
About my card being an le,its 128-bit le oc'ed to normal 5700 frquencies.
 
Ohh cmon.......this WAS a SLI or AMR discussion thread guys....

BTw the 9600 is better than the 5700le nd it has been proved.....
It wasnt in tht price range was ur bad luck.....

wht else?? :mad:
 
As regards the 9600 vs. 5700 evryone knows the facts:
In DX9
9600>5700(how much depends upon the games in question)
In DX8.1,OpenGl:
5700>9600
 
no offense but this thread has turned from a good discussion about sli into another ati vs ati flamewar , please stick to the topic or i'm closing the thread
 
Well looks like I missed it !!! Truly Undertaker you must be the only guy who supports Nvidia FX series. You look blindly at their pathetic shader performance, their AA and AF performance. And regarding your HL2 crap, its not overtly optimised for ATI otherwise the Geforce 6xxx series wouldnt have performed as they are right now. Also in all their true aspect a high end Geforce FX 5900U was a just a 4*2 card !!! which was outperformed by even 9600XT in some games !!!! Also AFAIK in Dx 8.1 games, UT 2004 to be precise a 9xxx series outperform their counterparts, and with AA and AF enabled the FX series takes a huge it.

Infact with the CAT 6.0 coming out ATI has promised increased OpenGL performance, rt now too I get around 40 FPS on a 9800 pro at 1024*768 high settings on Doom 3. Frankly speaking in the near future OpenGL doesnt really have an API presence, with just Doom 3 tech doing the rounds and currently too ATI is not doing too bad in it, with Funky mentioning the X8xx series just a fraction behind the 68xx counterpart.

Also your argument regarding 9800 pro failing was an overstatement, if you just visit Lamington road in a day and see the No. of Maxforce TNT2 failing !!!! Does it in any way mean Nvidia's cards failing !!! Club 3d is a crap brand, so is Maxforce. Cant blame ATI for that.
 
Fan-ATics get ur facts straight,u always resort to "defending the nv3x" mantra to counter my arguments:
1.Nvidia is better vfm in India and always has been even during the fx series.
2.If u say "Doom3 is optimised for Nvidia and HL2 is NOT optimised for Ati in atleast the same measure if not greater" u are indulging in plain fanboyism of the worst kind.
3.There is hardly any vfm ATi "easily" available here vs. so many cards from Nvidia in the 5-15k range.In Delhi,the 9600XT is the same price as a 6600GT!.
4.Last but not the least,both Aces and Funky have the luck of regularly ordering the cards from abroad so u see everything from the point of "what is available on newegg or cdw etc.. i.e. online us retailers".That has no bearing on the Indian market dynamics.
Even I may get an Ati for my comp ,when I go to US for further studies in Aug,if it gives me better value(quite possible).But here in India ,and more so in Delhi,that ain't happening.
Now,if u want we can, begin all over again.
PS:As for the choice between the powercolor 9550 vs. xfx 5700le,it boiled down to a card with three times warranty and a better cooling arrangement vs a card that was a little more expensive and would only offer some IQ/performance improvement in some games like HL2 and may even be slower in most of my favourite games like CoD,Doom3 etc.It was quite obvious what to buy.Just so that people understand that I am no 'nvidiot' the great ASUS 9550GE which I had set my mind upon,was no where to be had.

BTW:Now since this thread has little chance of going back to what it was intended for,MODs please close it.Its the sensible thing to do.
 
doom3 isn't optimised for nvidia, nvidia is optimised for doom3 (read better suited).
There's a very technical report on the subject if you google for it.

Moot point though since it's only ati's mid range that suffers, the new ati's are equally fast in doom3.
 
Wohhh!!! I missed this thread... Anyways...

undertaker said:
Some people have 'selective reading disorder'.nvidia have not altered the base clocks of the 6800 series from launch.Unlike Ati x800(how many are there plain,pro and XL?)>x800xt->x800xt pe->x850->x850xt->x850xt pe.(wtf?)
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Isnt that what nVidia did with FX series... AFAIR 5600/5700 had Normal/LE/SE/XT/ETC versions...

Also if you look at it closely... X800 /X800 XL /X800 XT / X850 XT are $200/$300/$400/$500 so catering alltogather different segments...

Also when you say ATI Sucks in INDIA then i rewind about five yers back... At that time it was 3DFX vs nVIDIA and at that time only creative was the company doing nVIDIA in INDIA... Infact i didnt know of any other brand other then creative who has GeForce here...

If you look at the no of companies doing ATI and nVIDIA then you would know that nVIDIA has far more people fabricating thier cards as compared to ATI so ATI's presence would automatically be felt less here...
 
Switch said:
Wohhh!!! I missed this thread... Anyways...

Isnt that what nVidia did with FX series... AFAIR 5600/5700 had Normal/LE/SE/XT/ETC versions...

Also if you look at it closely... X800 /X800 XL /X800 XT / X850 XT are $200/$300/$400/$500 so catering alltogather different markets...
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5900 came from LE to Ultra versions.. LE/XT/plain/Ultra ;)
 
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