The Trumps & Elon tweets thread (Had to make this since it's never ending)

[bssunilreddy]

Typical Trump getting confused. I think he might be getting too old. https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-trumps-attacks-on-zelenskyy-and-ukraine-aid/a-71702392

He confused 350mn as "billion". And they were not given in cash (like almost all US aid) but as equipment, so Trump knows exactly where it went.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/28/us/politics/trump-ukraine-weapons.html

And I couldn't find anywhere Zelensky refusing to give proof. People are asking for audit during a war which is ridiculous.

At this point I don't think this regular lying by Trump can be excused given the nature of responsibility he has. He might simply be fishing for excuses to bash Zelensky.

Ukraine President Embezzled $400 Million From Fuel Purchase Aid: Report
US Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted FY 2022 through FY 2024, of which $163.6 billion was allocated for OAR and the Ukraine response, and $10.6 billion was allocated for other, primarily humanitarian, purposes.
Flow of U.S. Weapons to Ukraine Has Nearly Stopped and May End Completely
The Biden administration saw the $67 billion in military assistance it provided to Kyiv as essential. Trump sees any further aid as leverage.
Out of 33.9 billion in 2024, August huge tranches of money had been announced roughly every 44 days under the Biden administration. The last of them was announced on Dec. 30, 2024. After Dec. 30 Ukraine did not receive any weapons or money from US.

 

[roadrash99]

Ukraine President Embezzled $400 Million From Fuel Purchase Aid: Report
US Congress appropriated $174.2 billion through the five Ukraine supplemental appropriation acts enacted FY 2022 through FY 2024, of which $163.6 billion was allocated for OAR and the Ukraine response, and $10.6 billion was allocated for other, primarily humanitarian, purposes.
Flow of U.S. Weapons to Ukraine Has Nearly Stopped and May End Completely
The Biden administration saw the $67 billion in military assistance it provided to Kyiv as essential. Trump sees any further aid as leverage.
Out of 33.9 billion in 2024, August huge tranches of money had been announced roughly every 44 days under the Biden administration. The last of them was announced on Dec. 30, 2024. After Dec. 30 Ukraine did not receive any weapons or money from US.

Yes you are supporting what I said, the 350bn claim was a lie.

Ukraine President Embezzled $400 Million From Fuel Purchase Aid: Report
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his entourage have embezzled at least USD 400 million, which was sent to the country for the purchase of diesel fuel, reported Russian news agency TASS citing US Journalist Seymour Hersh's website.

Brother TASS is the Russian government news agency

 

[bssunilreddy]

Yes you are supporting what I said, the 350bn claim was a lie.

Brother TASS is the Russian government news agency

Did Zelenskyy embellish 400 million or not?
If you read both the above articles that I posted and add how much US gave every 4 weeks from 2022 then you will get the total amount. Everytime US was giving billions of dollars weapons and sometimes even directly money.
You were saying previously that Ukraine was given only weapons but they were also given money in the form of USAID.
Almost the whole of EU were giving weapons & money to Ukraine but where did everything go?
Even Zelenskyy himself said that $350 billion given by Biden was only a grant not a debt and so he is not liable to pay back.
Now he came to speak with Trump to get aid of weapons and monetary help but when Trump spoke of ceasefire he was saying since 2014 Putin said ceasefire many times but did not honor it from Obama, Trump, Biden regimes to now. How can he trust now? But Trump said that he will be the witness this time and will persuade Putin for a ceasefire but zelenskyy left the meeting without giving any reply to Trump.
Zelenskyy always want more weapons and monetary aid to prolong the war which he cannot win. Trump is also saying the same to end the war and honor the ceasefire.

 

[roadrash99]

Did Zelenskyy embellish 400 million or not?

No source for this another than one guy who claims to have heard it from another guy.

Even Zelenskyy himself said that $350 billion given by Biden

Like I said that number is made up

You were saying previously that Ukraine was given only weapons but they were also given money in the form of USAID.

Bulk of it was equipment, of course some will be cash, but Zelensky yesterday said it is all digital and can be tracked.

 

[lockhrt999]

Not a tweet, but it's from this news

Elon Musk's Family: A Closer Look At Tesla CEO's 14 Children, Their Names, Ages And Mothers - News18

Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, is reportedly the father of 14 children, each from different relationships.

www.news18.com

 

[TEUser2K1]

Like I said that number is made up

Made up, i.e., lying, in plain words. Why is Zelensky lying ? For whom, when his country is scourged from all sides.
May be brutal comedy ?

Bulk of it was equipment, of course some will be cash, but Zelensky yesterday said it is all digital and can be tracked.

Aren't the questions about what cannot be tracked. Or if it's so easy to be tracked, why the ambiguity.
War is a racket, this comedian got clowned into it with his own will and was overplaying his cards. He killed tens of thousands, now showing drama.
Remember, in the beginning of the war, it was all about weakening Russia with few budget pennies of USA. Now suddenly every penny counts !
The whole this is a disgrace against humanity. This moron wrote of lives and sufferings of his country to vultures all over.

Not a tweet, but it's from this news

What's the problem, those women are independent, extremely intelligent, from most developed environment of lighthouse from whether others can learn, etc., etc. Let them live the way they like, don't know whats the problem here.

 

[roadrash99]

Made up, i.e., lying, in plain words. Why is Zelensky lying ? For whom, when his country is scourged from all sides.

Zelensky didn't say 350bn, Trump (wrongly) said it

Aren't the questions about what cannot be tracked. Or if it's so easy to be tracked, why the ambiguity.

There is no ambiguity, this talk about money is just on the media/internet. If they had even the slightest proof, Trump/Vance would have shown it in front of Zelensky himself. They need any excuse to wash their hands off Ukraine. Elon has direct access to all of Ukraine military's communication, they can easily dig up any dirt if it is there.

War is a racket, this comedian got clowned into it with his own will and was overplaying his cards. He killed tens of thousands, now showing drama.

Reminder that this started in 2014 when Russia invaded Ukraine, there was no Zelensky, no NATO talk back then.

 

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At this point I don't think this regular lying by Trump can be excused given the nature of responsibility he has.

The equivalent of typos and his staff will always clarify through the spokesperson. Biden was 10x worse.

Leaving aside the accuracy of the quoted figure are you serious that a good degree embezzlement has not occurred?

He might simply be fishing for excuses to bash Zelensky.

Typical opposition rhetoric which I would advise people not to fall for. I've already given a proper summary showing it was Z that started the argument.

In any case he's far more critical of Biden and the euro leaders who did nothing to stop the conflict and left this mess for him to sort out.

Brother TASS is the Russian government news agency

Read it again

reported Russian news agency TASS citing US Journalist Seymour Hersh's website.

Doesn't it all depend on compromises he have to make, like signing off significant part of his country (primarily his own stupidity though) to the very enemy his is fighting, together with giving off costly natural resources of own country to frenemies who irresponsibility pushed him to this situation and easily washing off their hands after taking the assets.

If Trump pulls funding the war will come to an end anyway. The euros will spin this as US abandoned an ally.

What ally? Is there any treaty saying so. No. Is Ukraine a NATO member? No

So what ally did the US abandon here then..

Dude go?t into precarious predicament though, most embarrassing failure for a world leader to happen. Should be careful about his health.

He's a multi millionaire with houses abroad. He'll be fine providing he can stay alive

 

[TEUser2K1]

He'll be fine providing he can stay alive

Reason why he should be worried about his health.

 

[lockhrt999]

What's the problem, those women are independent, extremely intelligent, from most developed environment of lighthouse from whether others can learn, etc., etc. Let them live the way they like, don't know whats the problem here.

It sounded funny to me.

Ek ghar wali ek bahar wali?
Na, Elon can afford to keep both of them gharwali.

 

[roadrash99]

Read it again

reported Russian news agency TASS citing US Journalist Seymour Hersh's website.

Yes I read it, he claims to know someone from CIA who told him, if it was really true Trump/Elon would have released this to expose Zelensky because they want it so badly.

Leaving aside the accuracy of the quoted figure are you serious that a good degree embezzlement has not occurred?

There's a war going on, the accountants can wait.

 

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There's a war going on, the accountants can wait.

Yes, this is the excuse people will give.

Numerous pro Russian commentators have pointed out since the start how corrupt the regime as well as he is. They would know better than any Americans where the money is going. Again here any western source or aligned is opposition news and should be ignored. They peddle the fiction that Ukraine can win so obviously what Trump did was wrong isn't it. That is the degree of cognitive dissonance these people are experiencing now.

It's just very heartening to have Trump blast him about it when not one western leader bothered to date.

What a difference when he gets feted in Congress by the previous instigators of the war and being thrown out of the WH. He's definitely responsible for the deaths of millions.

Why continue with the war? because that's what keeps the gravy train going.

How else could Boris Johnson have convinced him to continue a mere two months after the war began when there was a peace deal worked out by Turkey & Israel. One that even he had agreed to.

Fight or the money stops.

Ukraine spent eight years being trained by NATO to take back the Donbas. They never had a chance against Russia but still continued with a war most intuitively knew they could never win.

 

[bssunilreddy]

Yes, this is the excuse people will give.

Numerous pro Russian commentators have pointed out since the start how corrupt the regime as well as he is. They would know better than any Americans where the money is going. Again here any western source or aligned is opposition news and should be ignored. They peddle the fiction that Ukraine can win so obviously what Trump did was wrong isn't it. That is the degree of cognitive dissonance these people are experiencing now.

It's just very heartening to have Trump blast him about it when not one western leader bothered to date.

What a difference when he gets feted in Congress by the previous instigators of the war and being thrown out of the WH. He's definitely responsible for the deaths of millions.

Why continue with the war? because that's what keeps the gravy train going.

How else could Boris Johnson have convinced him to continue a mere two months after the war began when there was a peace deal worked out by Turkey & Israel. One that even he had agreed to.

Fight or the money stops.

Ukraine spent eight years being trained by NATO to take back the Donbas. They never had a chance against Russia but still continued with a war most intuitively knew they could never win.

Its all greed that's all.
Fight or the money stops.

 

[blr_p]

Its all greed that's all.
Fight or the money stops.

Next paycheck

Newspaper headlines: 'Hug of hope' and 'billions for Kyiv and UK defence'

Many of Sunday's front pages are dominated by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's visit to No 10.

www.bbc.com

Full support..

 

[roadrash99]

Numerous pro Russian commentators have pointed out since the start how corrupt the regime as well as he is.

what else are they going to do

 

[blr_p]

what else are they going to do

If you want to understand conflict follow the belligerent.

Iraq, Ukraine, Gaza.

Want to know what a governments doing. Listen to them.

Radical concept on this board for some

 

[roadrash99]

If you want to understand conflict follow the belligerent.

Iraq, Ukraine, Gaza.

Want to know what a governments doing. Listen to them.

Radical concept on this board for some

My point is there is still zero proof of Zelensky engaging in war for money or any proof of embezzlement. Remember that when this invasion started everyone expected Kyiv to be taken over in 48 hours and Zelensky to be shot by Russian commandos or bombed. There is no way anyone would take that risk for money, there are far easier ways.

 

[blr_p]

My point is there is still zero proof of Zelensky engaging in war for money or any proof of embezzlement.

Really? Isn't it obvious

He stays in power so long as he can shakedown the west

Remember that when this invasion started everyone expected Kyiv to be taken over in 48 hours and Zelensky to be shot by Russian commandos or bombed.

I'm not aware of any Russian commentator saying this. And then who will they replace him with?

Nah, what you saw with Trump is exactly why Putin let him live.

They couldn't possibly find anyone worse to lead Ukraine.

There is no way anyone would take that risk for money, there are far easier ways.

He'll be replaced by some one else in that case.

This is a war time economy. It always wants to continue the war to live

 

[roadrash99]

I'm not aware of any Russian commentator saying this. And then who will they replace him with?

They even had the press material ready and accidently published it lol https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

A Russian news agency has published and then deleted an article prematurely praising Russia's success in invading Ukraine.
It applauds Russian President Vladimir Putin for solving the Ukraine "problem", saying that "Ukraine has returned to Russia" through military action. It suggests the author anticipated a rapid victory and the piece was published prematurely.
The article, published by the state-owned RIA-Novosti news agency on Saturday (26 February) and described by Christo Grozev of fact-checkers Bellingcat as "extremely shocking, even for Kremlin standards", was quickly deleted from its website.

Really? Isn't it obvious

He stays in power so long as he can shakedown the west

I said proof of money being the motive for war. Of course to defend Ukraine he needs money and needs the west as an ally, inevitably there will be some politics involved.

 

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They even had the press material ready and accidently published it lol https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

Nothing in your article which reads like an op-ed btw about Zelensky.

The time frame of 72h to Kiev was a quote of General Mark Milley. I don't think the Russians ever expected to take Kiev but massing at its gates with insufficient numbers was an intimdation tactic to get Z to surrender.

Too bad it didn't work. Like with Georgia in 2008.

I said proof of money being the motive for war. Of course to defend Ukraine he needs money and needs the west as an ally, inevitably there will be some politics involved.

Why let Boris Johnson convince him to continue then? Failing which the funds as well as arms would stop.

You have to understand that Ukraine was under western control since they ousted the democratically elected Yanukovich back in 2014. Since that time western funds have flowed into Ukraine. The Ukrainian government salaries were being paid by the US to the tune of $4.5bn annual.

All that would stop and the alternative is to become beholden to Russia. Which is what this war is about.

Who gets to control Ukraine? The west or Russia

The war didn't start in 2022 but had been simmering since 2014 in the DonBas..