This whole Ram Setu thing ...
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Kumar said:
Please go through this as well, the thing is wikipedia can be Edited by anyone, and it is not always accurate until and unless you read completely of the sources mentioned and do the comparative analysis yourself.
Out of India theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Note the irony,
1. It was Aryan Invasion theory a theory proposed by Max Meuller, William Jones et al based on completely pre-fabricated linguistics.
2. Science including genetics completely and completely refuted this Aryan Invasion theory and massacare of the Vedic Harappans.
3. The very existence of europe was in denial, they came up with Aryan Migration theory.
4. While Aryan migration did happened but much later than Vedic civilization which was destroyed much earlier due to drying up of Saraswati river and climate change, the early migration was East to West.
5. The irony of the matter is the word Aryan is neither found in any Sanskrit text nor in any zoroastrian text but rather the words Arya and Airya are found.
6. The word Arya means of noble descend, while the word Aryan referred to a group of people 'linguistically' who spoke PIE (Proto-Indo-European language).
7. In the original context There are a number of languages that scholars have grouped together as Indo-European ('Aryan'). Some scholars had put forth the theory that maybe these were all related by a common ancestor: a *hypothetical* language called PIE (the 'Proto-Indo-European' language). the people who spoke it are the 'original' Aryans in the original 'Western' sense.
7. There has been NO proof of such PIE Archeological proof found that can determine the exact locus of the same, References to writers who assume their existence or speculate on it does not count as 'proof'. Hard proofs are required: genetics, and archaeology - but only where archaeologists have found material remains with engravings like "the aryans were here" - else how do we know that 'aryans' made them? Most of the thing they based on linguistics while there are far more proofs than linguistics as linguistics are never concrete proof for such controversial migration.
Please check this...a cronology of dates et al.
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You will be stunned to know the so called author Wikipedia states so profoundly aka Micheal Witzel a hardvard professor, who have had tremendous debate with peoples regarding Aryan Migration theory, was so stated in his point that recent times due to certain issue in US text books , lawsuit has been filed against him and state board of Education in court of USA, and the people who filed the same also won the case as well but some parts of it are still ongoing. Today there is a politics revolving around the same (including Hardvard politics which is kind of a oxymoron), the more proofs are coming out and more these western scholars are being challenged by 'western scholars only' more these 'western' Scholars and ofcourse our fellow Marxists are getting be-wildered and are not wasting any single time in terming them (the other western scholars) as 'saffron-fundamentalists' and 'hindu-nationalists' both in media home and worldover, when if you actually read them they follows very simplistic approach. The very fact that the 'imperialists/communists' cannot stand the world of Academecia being dominated by anything that challenges their constructed world-view and world-order. There will be debates , I hope the truth will only win.
You an check parts of the lawsuit here, Welcome to CAPEEM
KingKrool said:
Beg to disagree, AIT (Invasion theory and massacare of harappans) is downright garbage which has been proven wrong worldwide (other than only we continue to learn the same) while the migration theory is correct but in different way, I dont think its suitable to discuss these things here. You need to read works of Witzel, R Thapar and then compare it with works of Alchinis, Kazanas, Frawley, Meadow, Parpola, kivisild, Elst et al.
If you go by genetics then it (AIT) has been long disproved, the fact remains to Explain a European ancestory you have to consider a Indian mTdna line while to explain Indian ancestory you dont have to consider a European mTdna line
=CrAzYG33K= said:
LOL Read this :
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Ramayana by Bill Gates...
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LAN, LAN ago, in the SYSTEM of I/O-dhya, there ruled
a
PROCESSOR named DOS-rat. Once he EXECUTED a great
sacrifice PROGRAM after which his queens gave an
OUTPUT of four SUNs--RAM, LSIman,BUG-rat and
SED-rughana. RAM the eldest was a MICROCHIP with
excellent MEMORY. His brothers, however, were only
PERIPHERAL ICs. Once when RAM was only 16MB, he
married princess 'C'ta. 12years passed and DOS-rat
decided to INSTALL RAM as his successor. However,
Queen CIE/CAE(Kayegayee), who was once offered a boon
by DOS-rat for a lifesaving HELP COMMAND, took this
opportunity at the instigation of her BIOSed maid (a
real plotter), and insisted that her son Bug-rat be
INSTALLED and that RAM be CUT-N-PASTED to the forest
for 14 years.
At this cruel and unexpected demand, a SURGE passed
through DOS-rat and he kollapsed, power-less. RAM
agreed to LOG INTO forest and 'C'ta insisted to
LOGIN with him. LSI-man also resolved on LOGGING IN
with his brother. The forest was the dwelling of
SPARCnakha, the TRAN-SISTOR of RAW-van, PROCESSOR of
LAN-ka. Attracted by RAM's stature, she proposed that
he marry her. RAM, politely declined. Perceiving
'C'ta
to be the SOURCE CODE of her distress, she hastened
to
kill her. Weeping, SPARC-nakha fled to LAN-ka,
where RAW-van, moved by TRAN-SISTOR's plight,
approached his uncle MAR-icha. MAR-icha REPROGRAMED
himself into the form of a golden stag and drew RAM
deep into the forest. Finally, tired of chase, RAM
shot the deer, who, with his last breath, cried out
resperately for LSI-man
in RAM's voice.
Fooled by this VIRTUAL RAM SOUND, 'C'ta urged LSI-man
to his brother's aid. Catching the opportunity,
RAW-van DELINKED 'C'ta from her LIBRARY and changed
her ROOT DIRECTORY to LAN-ka.
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INTERVAL
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RAM and LSI-man started SEARCHING for the missing
'C'ta all over the forest. They made friendship with
the forest SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR SU-greev and his
powerful co-processor Ha-NEUMAN.
SU-greev agreed to help RAM. SU-greev ordered his
PROGRAMMERS to use powerful 'SEARCH' techniques to
FIND the missing 'C'ta. His PROGRAMMERS SEARCHED all
around the INTER-NETworked forests. Many tried to
'EXCITE' the birds and animals not to forget the
.'WEBCRAWLERS' (Insects) and tried to 'INFO SEEK'
something about 'C'ta. Some of them even shouted
YAA-HOO' but they all ended up with 'NOT FOUND
MESSAGES'. Several other SEARCH
techniques proved useless. Ha-NEUMAN devised a RISKy
TECHNOLOGY and used it to cross the seas at an
astonishing CLOCK SPEED. Soon Ha-NEUMAN DOWNLOADED
himself into LAN-ka. After doing some local SEARCH,
Ha-NEUMAN found 'C'ta weeping under a TREE STRUCTURE.
Ha-NEUMAN used a LOGIN ID (ring) to identify himself
to 'C'ta. After DECRYPTING THE KEY, 'C'ta believed in
him and asked him to send a 'STATUS_OK' MESSAGE to
RAM. Meanwhile all the raakshasa BUGS around 'C'ta
captured Ha-NEUMAN and tried to DELETE him using
pyro-techniques. But Ha-NEUMAN managed to spread
chaos
by spreading the VIRUS 'Fire'. Ha-NEUMAN happily
pressed ESCAPE from LAN-ka and conveyed all the
STATUS
MESSAGES to
RAM and SU-greev. RAW-wan decided to take the all
powerful RAM head-on and prepared for the battle.One
of the RAW-wan's SUN (son) almost DELETED RAM &
LSI-man with a powerful brahma-astra. But Ha-NEUMAN
resorted to some ACTIVE-X gradients and REFORMATTED
RAM and LSI-man. RAM used the SOURCE CODE secrets of
RAW-wan and once for all wiped out RAW-wan's presense
on earth. After the battle, RAM got INSTALLED in
I/O-dhya and spreaded his MICROSOFT WORKS and other
USER FRIENDLY PROGRAMS to all USERS and every one
lived happily everafter.
You can either go below the bridge at Pamban and ask ships to go from there or build a canal bridge over Ram Setu... Many other ways to solve the problem instead of destroying a cultural hertitage and hurting anyone's sentiments !!
Source: Sunny Talks Tech: Two Solutions To Save Ram Setu
Source: Sunny Talks Tech: Two Solutions To Save Ram Setu
one think i cant understand - all these yrs no one comes to look or even give a thought abt the setu, wonder what sentiments they are talking about there!
the only reason i can think of not letting the bridge go ahead is the free passage the Ltte will have to indian shores to carry on their terrorist activities.
the only reason i can think of not letting the bridge go ahead is the free passage the Ltte will have to indian shores to carry on their terrorist activities.
6pack said:
1. LTTE issue is there a security threat means more Aerostats for Navy, As one reason which comes to my mind is this canal can be proficient for smuggling things via international waters more easily.
2. Tsunami effect and its Coastal deformation or effect over time.
3. Possibility of partial Thorium washout in international waters, Recall BARC is developing 3 stage Thorium programme and is way advanced in its Throium programme because the world did not bothered much about Thorium reactor designing. the GNEP programme of US is in its infancy as well.
4. There are shipping companies who have said they wont use the route because of these reasons, (like ABB shipping company or something like that)
i> To cut short 30 hour of journey and to avoid pollution in the littoral water you literally need to use much costlier and higher grade fuel.
ii> Something many small shipping companies arent willing to do to save 30 hours which will rise their cost of shipping.
iii> I dont think super tankers etc can move through this canal.
5. The money which will be earned from the ships that will use the channel, much of it will be used up to just maintain the flora and fauna of the littoral waters. thus the Economic benefit is not something amazing worth investing money on. The only huge economic benefit is seen by is perhaps DMK who profiles people (north/south) racially based on a absolutely false conception and flawed logic.
6. Typical GOI style, no accountability or any studies of environmental effects done and made public, ignorant public and our ignorant ruling government I guess.
7. Lastly but Firstly, Indic Civilization, Culture and History and religious sentiments is asssociated with it, I have made this clear in my very first post in previous page.
The Setu project infact was infact started by the NDA Regime,
From Governments own website : Sethusamudram Corporation Limited - History
Until 2004 (which is till NDA regime lasted), the proposed channel was via the land. near the indian shores, by cutting through the Pamban Island. It in only in 2004 that the configuration suddently moved 25 Kms outwards to the mid-sea channel, and cutting through the Rama Setu.
Now the Congress is playing politics by saying it was started by NDA, We are merely continuing it. Still even in any case it makes not much Economic sense, compare it with the need of the infrastructure projects that are lying stuck in houses due to red tapeism and inefficient bureaucracy.
Here is a good article by Jaffna in nationalinterest.in, on the Rama Sethu issue as well,
Cynical Nerd’s » The Ramayana, the Sethusamudram and Indian Archeology
We created the LTTE in the first place. If the IPKF were'nt sent to SL in the first place we would not have had a fight with the LTTE.
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