Torrent download monitoring in India

eternoMind said:
The second para above is what I believed was the norm but the instance you talk about in the first para shows even private trackers are not beyond reach now. More so considering many of these are the first sources for new 'releases' by individual encoders/teams.
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They are still going slow for the elite/pvt trackers cuz its still a closed place, where the members are limited since these sites dont grow beyond a point due to maintenance and to avoid unchecked flow of members. So the copyright companies are really not too worried.

It also indicates how nascent the torrent monitoring scene is around the world, let alone in India.
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One of the major reasons i am actually afraid of getting the definition of bband speed redefined/improved.
We are 512 Kbps atm.. if this goes up, they will train their guns on India very much so since we have a very bad culture of getting things pirated as long as they are available for 'free'.

Few months earlier, some US fellow had expressed concerns about India's piracy record as well. The 'muricans are utterly crazy about their business.. be it Ford, apple, or Hollywood etc. They hit the roof like a soul possessed and will go to any extent. And according to the trend i have seen, they are getting aggressive and targetting countries where the laws are either not clear, or can be browbeaten into submission.

Recently they have been going at Australian ISPs. The copyright trolls tried to obtain some rule against Aussie ISPs which would have allowed them access to the IP addresses of the pirating customers. The Aussie judge saw through their ploy that these companies basically wanted to catch hold of the downloaders and interview them. Thankfully the application was thrown out. But would our judges/politicians will have that much insight or knowledge? I shudder when i recall the interviews where blasted lines like 'phone ka data battery mein chala jaata hai' / 'cloud services se aap download karenge, lekin baarish/tufan ke samay kya hoga' type drivel.
 
Spacescreamer said:
It is not exactly a grey area for the companies. They let these monitoring agencies have their way.. and since they are the ones calling the shots, they ofc wont define what these agencies or their own people (again the monitoring officials) are doing as piracy.

A few months earlier, one of the popular pvt tracker members started getting notices from 2-3 music record companies. The pvt tracker's staff got down to crunching the numbers and stats and got hold of the ip and membership details about the 'mole' they had in their ranks and banned him.
That was one, but they def have several of such officials sitting within their ranks. That is why the top trackers are darn strict about the membership tree/invite system.

The public tracker peers are the ones who get the maximum notices, cuz the agencies go for the easily accessible/low hanging fruits- The Public trackers.
A layman will google these public trackers first thing up. Even then, there are the real grey areas which the 'pirates' can exploit. Till the time the users feign ignorance about who downloaded the stuff, they get away with it. The moment they panic/confess via email etc that they 'mistakenly' did so, the agencies swoop down and use that confession in a court of law as a proof of their wrongdoing.
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This is something only a lawyer can show - Does Indian law allow you to admit data that could have in the first place, have been obtain through 'illegal' means . Or are they using softwares that monitor IP using the torrent hash, but not downloading anything, hence the only 'illegal' thing they could have done is visit the page/search engine with the magnet link.

As for the private trackers, if someone is really going to want to track, and do it well, without being sloppy, then one can consider both public and private trackers as unsafe.

Actually, the agencies, from what I see, are lazy idiots. Look at the DMCA notices sent to Google, and the ones which are wrong. So, they will just come after public first, then private trackers (if....)

Finally, coming to the users, if the studio does send a notice - it would be sent to the ISP. Does the ISP need to reveal the info who the user is? Any precedent for a different case?

These may be minor questions, but ones that we need to know. I, for one know that my ISP gives me a private IP address and this changes every time I restart the device and every 12-24 hours. From what I know about networks, I dont think my ISP will be tracking and logging all my internet activity.
 
Spacescreamer said:
But would our judges/politicians will have that much insight or knowledge? I shudder when i recall the interviews where blasted lines like 'phone ka data battery mein chala jaata hai' / 'cloud services se aap download karenge, lekin baarish/tufan ke samay kya hoga' type drivel.
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Worried here too about the same. Hoping none of them have a say while drafting cyber laws.

On a side note, wondering if the politicians kids/relations also download movies :P
 
Of course they too are humans. They too must be munching on X grade Leone movies as well....human crave be it beggar or politiancs kid.
 
vivek.krishnan said:
On a side note, wondering if the politicians kids/relations also download movies
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You can lay down your doubts to rest. They do,

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and i fully expect our unqualified politicians to behave no differently tbh.
 
Now he himself used some torrent or p2p. Don't think he must have purchased it legally. Or his son or party members must had done it for him.
 
I was in US. I never used to download anything pirated since I regularly see lot of stories of people getting in trouble in TorrentFreak. One day, I was bored and had nothing else to do. So I downloaded a Malayalam movie using one of the public torrent sites. One week later, ISP forwarded me a piracy warning which it got from some company that tracks these. The email had the file name, time of download and IP along with some legal warnings.

I thought Indian movies wouldn't be monitored. I very rarely watch movies now.
 
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Spacescreamer said:
They are still going slow for the elite/pvt trackers cuz its still a closed place, where the members are limited since these sites dont grow beyond a point due to maintenance and to avoid unchecked flow of members. So the copyright companies are really not too worried.



One of the major reasons i am actually afraid of getting the definition of bband speed redefined/improved.
We are 512 Kbps atm.. if this goes up, they will train their guns on India very much so since we have a very bad culture of getting things pirated as long as they are available for 'free'.

Few months earlier, some US fellow had expressed concerns about India's piracy record as well. The 'muricans are utterly crazy about their business.. be it Ford, apple, or Hollywood etc. They hit the roof like a soul possessed and will go to any extent. And according to the trend i have seen, they are getting aggressive and targetting countries where the laws are either not clear, or can be browbeaten into submission.

Recently they have been going at Australian ISPs. The copyright trolls tried to obtain some rule against Aussie ISPs which would have allowed them access to the IP addresses of the pirating customers. The Aussie judge saw through their ploy that these companies basically wanted to catch hold of the downloaders and interview them. Thankfully the application was thrown out. But would our judges/politicians will have that much insight or knowledge? I shudder when i recall the interviews where blasted lines like 'phone ka data battery mein chala jaata hai' / 'cloud services se aap download karenge, lekin baarish/tufan ke samay kya hoga' type drivel.
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They have been going after Australians for the last 2-3 years.
iNet had fought tooth and nail so that they are not asked to hand over customer data. Also Game of Thrones is pirated the most by Australians.
 
Mr.J said:
Are seedboxes monitored or not? Also, what happens if you mask torrent traffic as HTTP/S?
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Seedbox will have a separate IP. But till now have not heard about seedboxe leasing companies being taken to court to reveal the IP of customers. This may be because seedboxes are mostly used to download from private trackers.

Your IP is taken from the file swarm list. It appears in any torrent client. It will not matter if you use HTTPS or not. You will have to connect to the swarm to download the file.
 
Mr.J said:
Are seedboxes monitored or not? Also, what happens if you mask torrent traffic as HTTP/S?
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They have served DMCA notices to seedboxes, but I dont think they are forwarding the same ahead - DMCA is US only, and many seedboxes are European. As for seedboxes revealing the IP address of the owner, I guess that too has not happened. However, you can put it down to a simple thing - seedboxes would not be capturing the IP address details of who is connecting, if they do not need to. Please read up on mandatory data retention laws. This is why you should choose VPNs too with care.

Coming to torrent traffic - irrespective of whatever you use, your IP will be visible in the swarm. And that is logged. If you use a VPN, that IP address will be shown, and similar for a seedbox.

Torrentfreak has compiled a list of VPNs which dont log your details, but I don't know if they do the same for seedboxes.


EDIT : Some VPNs & Seedboxes also use hosted services, so their ISP gets the notices. These are forwarded to the VPN/Seedbox provider, who then decides to take action.
 
Been thinking about this. Why aren't Private Tracker websites never taken down? Anyone with the account there, can see the contents listed which violates a lot of DMCA rules.
P.S. No offence to Private trackers users, me being one.
 
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ev1lb0ygen1us said:
Been thinking about this. Why aren't Private Trackers never taken down? Anyone with the account there, can see the contents listed which violates a lot of DMCA rules.
P.S. No offence to Private trackers users, me being one.
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The no. of people using private trackers is way too small compared to those leeching off public trackers.
 
So whats the fuss finally?
Are we gonna get tracked here in India and get some notices from ISPs or other orgs. and land up in some cyber law trouble?
Or we are free to download any torrent types?
 
The question is synonymous to asking whether you'll get caught in India after committing a crime.
There are people who walk free after committing murders.
 
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