CPU/Mobo Used Q9450/96650/E8600 Vs New i5 combo

[shravank30]

Hi

There are several used Quad core combos with X48 mobos & 9450/9650 CPU selling in the members market which when added with 4 GB Ram would cost approximately 20K to 22K, most of them more then a year old & with KTM Warranty.

As advised by @Anubis, one can build a rig with a brand new i5 with similar specs (Except Cross fire) for 22K, with local warranty.

The i5 can beat any quad core, as far as i understand in all fields.

I am giving the link below:

http://www.techenclave.com/cpu-mobo-corner/q-amd-x4-955-mobo-4gb-153677.html

My question is why would anyone go for these combos ?

What am i missing which makes them value for money ?

(As obviously no one would buy them otherwise)

Shravan

 

[Alias]

If you are already having an existing 775 socket build with DDR2, upgrading to any of those processors or mobos make sense.

For a new build, getting an i5 is the best choice especially if you want a high end gaming rig.

 

[rajan1311]

Buddy, i have read many reviews and have come to the conclusion that the i5 is not all that faster than a Phenom 2, at least in gaming. Other applications, well dont know if you need that extra bit of performance(if any). See what suites you best and go for it. DDR3/DDR2 does not make too much overall difference. At the end of the day , P2 955, Q9650 & i5 750 end up in the same slab of performance, for which ever you find a better deal, just go for it, a general user will not notice much difference.

As for the Rs22k mark, you are comparing the cheapest i5 mobo with the most expensive LGA775 (X48), how fair is it ?

Have a look at OCCs benchmarks, totally opposite eh ?

OCC

 

[asingh]

Hi

There are several used Quad core combos with X48 mobos & 9450/9650 CPU selling in the members market which when added with 4 GB Ram would cost approximately 20K to 22K, most of them more then a year old & with KTM Warranty.

As advised by @Anubis, one can build a rig with a brand new i5 with similar specs (Except Cross fire) for 22K, with local warranty.

The i5 can beat any quad core, as far as i understand in all fields.

I am giving the link below:

http://www.techenclave.com/cpu-mobo-corner/q-amd-x4-955-mobo-4gb-153677.html

My question is why would anyone go for these combos ?

What am i missing which makes them value for money ?

(As obviously no one would buy them otherwise)

Shravan

Basically: (with reference to Intel only)

1. Quad - final upgrade path for the LGA775. Nothing more can be done with this socket. For someone like me, this is ideal. I am looking for a Q9550 currently.

2. P55 : If going for a brand new set up, then this is the middle path.

3. X58 : Want the fastest hardware.

 

[Anubis]

Buddy, i have read many reviews and have come to the conclusion that the i5 is not all that faster than a Phenom 2, at least in gaming. Other applications, well dont know if you need that extra bit of performance(if any). See what suites you best and go for it. DDR3/DDR2 does not make too much overall difference. At the end of the day , P2 955, Q9650 & i5 750 end up in the same slab of performance, for which ever you find a better deal, just go for it, a general user will not notice much difference.

As for the Rs22k mark, you are comparing the cheapest i5 mobo with the most expensive LGA775 (X48), how fair is it ?

Have a look at OCCs benchmarks, totally opposite eh ?

OCC

buddy, see the margin of difference.....that too its Anandtech !! (they favor Intel, globally accepted).

and also, in the gaming benchmarks, the i5 edges the i7 920 too, now how do u explain that ?

have a look at OCC:

Intel Core i5 750 Core i7 870 Review Page 9 - Testing: Far Cry 2 - Overclockers Club

For your information i think you forgot to check out the other 2 pages of the link you posted.

Nevermind , I'll do it for you

There you go, see in these 2 games i5 750 without HT beats i7 920 with HT

by 1 or 2 fps

Well that should not happen should it rajan1311 ?

1 or 2fps beating is also significant for a processor priced 15k and other processor 10k

A win is a win be it 1 or 2 fps or even by small margins

Why shold you spend more to get a 15k processor thats gets beaten by a 10k processor by 1 or 2 fps or even by small margins

Obviously you'll tend towards the cheaper processor

Intel Core i5 750 Core i7 870 Review Page 11 - Testing: BioShock - Overclockers Club

Intel Core i5 750 Core i7 870 Review Page 12 - Testing: Call of Duty World at War - Overclockers Club

 

[pretttt]

Buddy, i have read many reviews and have come to the conclusion that the i5 is not all that faster than a Phenom 2, at least in gaming. Other applications, well dont know if you need that extra bit of performance(if any). See what suites you best and go for it. DDR3/DDR2 does not make too much overall difference. At the end of the day , P2 955, Q9650 & i5 750 end up in the same slab of performance, for which ever you find a better deal, just go for it, a general user will not notice much difference.

As for the Rs22k mark, you are comparing the cheapest i5 mobo with the most expensive LGA775 (X48), how fair is it ?

Have a look at OCCs benchmarks, totally opposite eh ?

OCC

But why are they using a GTX260??

shouldnt they be using something more powerful??

 

[shravank30]

If you are already having an existing 775 socket build with DDR2, upgrading to any of those processors or mobos make sense.

For a new build, getting an i5 is the best choice especially if you want a high end gaming rig.

Hi

The fact that these items are being sold in combos means that whosoever is buying them will be only able to use him existing RAM at the best whereas those like me who with DDR1 Ram will have to buy the all the 3 items.

The Quad Cores with DDR2 are at the end of the road whereas the i5 with DDR3 is just the beginning.

So where is the VFM for upgraders like me ?

 

[rajan1311]

But why are they using a GTX260??

shouldnt they be using something more powerful??

Well using the GTX260 is a good idea instead of a 5870 etc as it is more common for a reader to be using that level of GPUs. Yes, it does introduce a GPU bottleneck but as i have said again, look for what you need, if you are using a 4870 then those benchmarks make more sense for you.
@anubis: I did read the full review. I dont see ppl complain 165FPS Vs 155FPS.

1 or 2 FPS does not determine the winner, you seem to have forgotten to take into the account benchmarking error. Please always look these benchmarks for playability and not pure numbers if you are a gamer. I dont mind playing CS:S @ 160FPS instead of 300FPS (get the idea please)

 

[Udit]

as Alias said:

If you are already having an existing 775 socket build with DDR2, upgrading to any of those processors or mobos make sense.

For a new build (buying cpu+mobo+ram), getting an i5 is the best choice especially if you want a high end gaming rig.

775 is for people like rajan1311 (no offense) who use a 50k QX9650 (at it's time) with a 2.3k G31 mobo

 

[shravank30]

@rajan1311

Tell me the drawbacks in the so called cheapest i5 Motherboard versus the costliest X48 motherboard.

As far as i could see, for all practical purposes, i could find that You cannot crossfire & its a Micro ATX.

Anything else I missed ?

 

[Udit]

@rajan1311

Tell me the drawbacks in the so called cheapest i5 Motherboard versus the costliest X48 motherboard.

As far as i could see, for all practical purposes, i could find that You cannot crossfire & its a Micro ATX.

Anything else I missed ?

even I'm interested in knowing this to advertise it in my sale
please answer Rajan

 

[Anubis]

as Alias said:

If you are already having an existing 775 socket build with DDR2, upgrading to any of those processors or mobos make sense.

For a new build (buying cpu+mobo+ram), getting an i5 is the best choice especially if you want a high end gaming rig.

775 is for people like rajan1311 (no offense) who use a 50k QX9650 (at it's time) with a 2.3k G31 mobo

"775 is for people like rajan1311 (no offense) who use a 50k QX9650 (at it's time) with a 2.3k G31 mobo" :rofl::rofl:

Well said bro. :hap2::hap2: (no offense bro , rajan1311)

Go for Core i5 bro , its much better VFM

 

[rajan1311]

as Alias said:

If you are already having an existing 775 socket build with DDR2, upgrading to any of those processors or mobos make sense.

For a new build (buying cpu+mobo+ram), getting an i5 is the best choice especially if you want a high end gaming rig.

775 is for people like rajan1311 (no offense) who use a 50k QX9650 (at it's time) with a 2.3k G31 mobo

and still get 4Ghz+ clocks xD

hehe will be getting something better bro

and then you will say "LGA1366 is for ppl like rajan1311 (no offense)"

Go for Core i5 bro , its much better VFM

What about an AM3 ?

even I'm interested in knowing this to advertise it in my sale

please answer Rajan

I will let you figure that out, what made you buy an X48 ? The answer to that question is what you sale tag line should be

No real advantage of such high end mobos make me stick to my good ole Rs2.3k mobo.

 

[shravank30]

Hi

At asking price of 20 K for a used Quad combo(Mobo+Proc+4GB Ram), one should go for i5, i think is the moral of the story till now.

Now a trickier question on the same subject:

At what price point does the above Quads combos become VFM as compared to the i5 ?:huh:

The market gurus may like to give an opinion, as I am sure in the next few weeks & months, a lot of these combos would come on sale as the diehard gamers would like to migrate to the newer i5s & i7s.:clap:

 

[pretttt]

Hi

At asking price of 20 K for a used Quad combo(Mobo+Proc+4GB Ram), one should go for i5, i think is the moral of the story till now.

Now a trickier question on the same subject:

At what price point does the above Quads combos become VFM as compared to the i5 ?:huh:

The market gurus may like to give an opinion, as I am sure in the next few weeks & months, a lot of these combos would come on sale as the diehard gamers would like to migrate to the newer i5s & i7s.:clap:

yea now this is a good question.. I would also like to know, at what price Core 2 Quads and Phenom II x4s can be considered VFM? (Mainly Core 2 Quads, as Phenom II x4s already seem pretty good VFM.)

 

[rajan1311]

Well, answer is easy, as everyone see's the i5's to be far better than Phenoms and C2Qs, there is no point in getting them i5 is the way to go........

Btw, this is not how i feel, just the general notion here..

 

[w1nD]

^^gaming is less of cpu based and more of GPU based. Having good cpu just acts as catalyst. Nothing is general notion.Nor do i say coz i own it.I own it coz i know what it is.

Also dont just rely on a single site for review check on other sites also and benchmarking is all about getting higher than other guy. If you get 155 versus 165 then one with 165 is winner nothing else. Check this link for comparison AnandTech Bench (beta): AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE vs Intel Core i5 750

Peace

 

[rajan1311]

^In one benchmark you get 165 vs 155, other 64 and 62, i guess you will still say that the one with 64/165 is the clear winner, i say they are the same.When you play the game, you can not find out any difference in playability so why do we go on to the exact numbers?? I say as long as their playability is the same, go for what is cheaper. I never see 1 site and never trust fud and anandtech for processor bechies. Just bcos i got just 150 odd post does not mean i am so stupid.

 

[w1nD]

^^ then you can get playable fps on c2ds also why get QX ??

and if playability is of so much concern then why even bother about benchies.Just get enough fps and be happy.

 

[rajan1311]

^^ then you can get playable fps on c2ds also why get QX ??
and if playability is of so much concern then why even bother about benchies.Just get enough fps and be happy.

For the first question, i was happy with my old E5200, i got the QX as a gift.

Yes, i am happy as i get decent rates in all games. I an not one of the people who say my rig is far better as i get 5 more FPS than you.
When a computer noob asks for advice for a rig around a budget, you see the experience he gets on that PC and not the benchmarks. If with Rs4k less you get the same experience, y waste that 4k ?