Warcraft III DOTA, Valve DOTA and Blizzard DOTA

[saumilsingh]

and about legacy -
if warcraft has legacy - so does counter strike.
if starcraft has legacy so does half life.

and yeah steam is so much better than battle.net that i dont even need to elaborate on it - and its no longer just a platform for valve's games - but is a great platform for many indie developers as well.
they have done a good deal for the gaming community.
they are certainly not below any league.

You really think CS is anywhere on the same level as the Warcraft universe when it comes to game franchise legacies?

Steam and B.net are two different infrastructures. I agree Steam has done more for gaming in general but B.net wasn't ever meant to be more than a matchmaking service and that also just for Blizzard games. They have started selling games now, but it's still just Blizzard games only.

Now, let's go back 15 years when services like Heat, TEN and Kali were trying to charge people for playing multiplayer games online.
Along comes B.net and changes the entire game with 100% free online gaming and matchmaking.

This at a time when you needed such 3rd party services to find games for you because games majorly used the IPX protocol and you needed IPX emulators like Kali and others to connect with other players even if you knew their IP address.

So, if not for B.net, who knows multiplayer gaming on PCs might have been a paid affair controlled by a few companies like that on consoles .

^^ Don't bet on it. The Warhammer universe existed as a pen and paper RPG long before Blizzard was even formed. Apparently Blizzard was supposed to make a Warhammer game but the deal fell through. Blizzard then released Warcraft and Starcraft with enough differences to avoid a lawsuit, but unmistakable similarities. As much I admire Blizzard, it is difficult to overlook the similarities between Blood Ravens and Space Marines, Elders and NightElves, Tyranids and Zerg.

Yea, everyone is aware of the deal with GW. Blizzard only wanted the lore and franchise. The gameplay mechanics are entirely original.

It's more of a licensing deal than anything. GW wasn't even in the PC gaming business back then.

 

[hitman02in]

@strategy - you misinterpret his meaning - what he meant to say was the thing about starcraft originally being warhammer - search on that topic on google and you will get to know what he was talking about.

anyhow yeah thanks for your opinion we all know that kind of stuff - no one said anyone is better than blizzard - i just said that valve does not come below any league.

Edit - ninja post by saumil replying to him now -

yeah i do think valve games are somewhere compared to warcraft (and other blizzard games). ofcourse they are.just in a different genre.

as for half life being over-rated thats not true - single player gaming is not completely about plot.The style of story-telling , the gameplay sequences and atmosphere - a lot goes into truly determining the experience for a gamer.

 

[saumilsingh]

I removed the bit about HL as the games are widely loved and there must be a reason behind it .
Though I myself still think that it's a very mundane experience with no coherent plot.

 

[strategy]

@strategy - you misinterpret his meaning - what he meant to say was the thing about starcraft originally being warhammer - search on that topic on google and you will get to know what he was talking about.

anyhow yeah thanks for your opinion we all know that kind of stuff - no one said anyone is better than blizzard - i just said that valve does not come below any league.

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^^yeah ...i guess i did not real it all properly enough.

the case with starcraft, all i can say is JRR tolkin did not use the word elves.orcs/etc. for the first time ...he used these in a revolutionary manner...thats what counts. dont you agree?

Blizzard's universe is just insanely deep( take your pick , diablo or warcraft or starcraft) thats why i incline more towords blizzard...their games are complete ....i mean story, gamplay, mass appeal, technology, replayability, multiplayer, VIDEOS, music , voice acting, setup....damn...what more could you ask for !!!

am not comparing the games( damn , HL beats out all its competitors hands down . its just superb.).just commenting on the developers

 

[delguy19]

i doubt icefrog will release any further updates since hes with valve now.
I will definitely play the valve dota since its based on source, besides they are introducing matchmaking so its gonna be fun over steam.

lol rocks and matchmaking is nice in lol