Warhead won't be a GPU slayer

[hatter]

We wanted players not to be afraid of being unable to play our product. Warhead is a game everyone can play. It will be playable on a €400 PC—and at the "High" detail setting. The game will run at a very good frame rate, I think 30 to 35 FPS on average. . . . That was already partially possible with Crysis. But if you had a poorly configured €2,000 PC, it lost against a better-configured €600-700 PC. That means some people had €2,000-3,000 invested in the wrong configuration. . . . To a certain degree, these optimizations could be patched into Crysis. But that will take a lot of time, because the optimizations go quite far. We are currently getting started with this, but we want to finish Warhead first.

Crysis Warhead to run well on cheap PCs - The Tech Report

 

[Switch]

So crysis as a engine was buggy rather then the GPU's :S

Disgusting. Good that i for one did not upgrade for the game.

 

[Alias]

Well easy to say now with statements that warhead will run on 1000$ systems becoz with the recent price wars and post G92 scenario, building a decent gaming rig for < 1000$ is easier and outperforms the 2500$ system available on crysis launch..

 

[arnold]

So crysis as a engine was buggy rather then the GPU's :S

Disgusting. Good that i for one did not upgrade for the game.

No the crysis engines not buggy...its jus that the hardware price have fallen by more than 200% in the last 6 months :hap2:

$500 for the quad core to $200 now
$90 for 2gb sticks to $45 now
$500 for a 8800GTX to $200 for a 4850 now.

the next gen gpu's were supposed to come last dec (usually updated every 12 months) but it took a bit longer this time (lack of competition, lack of demanding games). that was the only bug in crysis.

 

[hatter]

No the crysis engines not buggy...its jus that the hardware price have fallen by more than 200% in the last 6 months :hap2:

$500 for the quad core to $200 now
$90 for 2gb sticks to $45 now
$500 for a 8800GTX to $200 for a 4850 now.

the next gen gpu's were supposed to come last dec (usually updated every 12 months) but it took a bit longer this time (lack of competition, lack of demanding games). that was the only bug in crysis.

Nope crysis was buggy. the quote again

That was already partially possible with Crysis. But if you had a poorly configured €2,000 PC, it lost against a better-configured €600-700 PC. That means some people had €2,000-3,000 invested in the wrong configuration. . . . To a certain degree, these optimizations could be patched into Crysis. But that will take a lot of time, because the optimizations go quite far.

 

[vishalrao]

hardware price have fallen by more than 200%

LOL, of course you mean prices have more than halved...

I hope they don't cut down on the eye candy to make it run faster...

 

[arnold]

Nope crysis was buggy. the quote again

there is no such thing such as a perfect fully optimised code.
there is always room for optimization when u have got a million lines of code and callin hundred of Dx functions.
The thing is that it is worth admiring the efforts put by crytek to make the game run on current generation of hardware .The game does so much more graphically ,in terms of AI ,physics etc..no other game even comes close.

PPl jus go on bashing it without noticing that even on medium to high details it looks much better than any other game and can be played on mainstream hardware with more than playable frame rates.
Every one wants to jus play the game on maxed out setting at max res ..at which the game looks light yrs ahead of any other game and expect it to run on the same hardware ....jus lame.

As for the few bugs with crysis..sandbox games are more prone to these as they have such vast enviroments and so many places where it can go wrong..ny ways GTA4 for more Bugs than crysis has..no one bashes it.

 

[Alias]

The thing is that it is worth admiring the efforts put by crytek to make the game run on current generation of hardware .The game does so much more graphically ,in terms of AI ,physics etc..no other game even comes close.

Huh?? No game comes close in terms of AI, physics??

Err, in your case this may come as a shock but Crysis wasnt exactly praised for its AI or physics implementation but just its graphics..

Physics aint just about cutting down trees or tossing koreans by their neck which pretty much any modern game (post half life 2) can do.. Moreover the AI aint much to speak about. Hell, the old farcry game had similar if not better AI so its nothing much to boast about.

Only thing thats groundbreaking here is the graphics provided you got a rig to run > medium graphics..

 

[arnold]

Huh?? No game comes close in terms of AI, physics??

Err, in your case this may come as a shock but Crysis wasnt exactly praised for its AI or physics implementation but just its graphics..

Physics aint just about cutting down trees or tossing koreans by their neck which pretty much any modern game (post half life 2) can do.. Moreover the AI aint much to speak about. Hell, the old farcry game had similar if not better AI so its nothing much to boast about.

Only thing thats groundbreaking here is the graphics provided you got a rig to run > medium graphics..

OKKKKKKKK..U havnt played or even seen crysis.

here are a few videos to judge it for ur self ..jus show me any other ingame footage from any game with better physic simulation or atleast half as good.

YouTube - Crysis Masss Destruction 2
YouTube - Water crysis very high dx10
YouTube - Crysis: Water Tower Demonstration v3

every leave will move on touched upon...every tree can be broken down..
every structure can be torn down..even the terrain can be deformed on use of heavy weapons..water splashes..ripples created and even break down on comin in contact with other objs...i can go on

Sry i dint know all other games can do it

As of Ai u cannot compare it with any other game..i know if feels a bit slugish compared to other game..but then again u have to take in consideration the dynamic environment and the dynamic u (goin cloak ) and also the both combined and see the challeges that posses for the AI to react in real time.

the ability to break down any thing or pick up any thing and use it as a weapon ,cover , distraction...tell me any other game where u can do that :huh:

Atleast the AI doesnt react the same way every time as it does in every other game.

U know atleast crytek attempted to do something to do so ambitious...

Its easy for critics to sit bash a game without knowin the kind of challenges and hardwork thats gone into it from the tech perspective.
PPl who call crysis AI bad..dont even know wht A* shortest path algorithm is or wht fringe search is...hell they dont even know the difference between ambient and specular lighting.

 

[Blade_Runner]

^^ It is also very easy to sit and appreciate games when people don't pay for it(i am not assuming you haven't). You have to realise that a game is a product that publishers put out and you also have to realise the average gamer is not some big-shot who can afford just about everything so it's pretty obvious people will expect it to run (the very least) if they purchase it.

Ofcourse if one does not purchase a game such thoughts never come to one's mind..............

 

[arnold]

i bought the original game.

IMO it looks better than any other game on medium to high details at 720p (jus a reminder that what most console res are) and plays without a glitch.

the thing is jus because u have the option of turning the graphical settings to very high does not mean u need to put them at very high, even when u know u dont have the hardware and then say the game is unplayable,badly coded,unoptimised and buggy.

btw as much as i know..there are a lot of people who played crysis and almost none of them have a 8800GTX SLI and a quad core

the point is ppl who got lower hardware can play at lower settings and enjoy the game and ppl who have monster PC have a better experience.Thats is what is called a scalable game engine.

Its not that putting any graphical settings to low, disables some feature in the game..the gameplay is still the same.

may be crytek should rename the low settings as ultra high next time and that way every one can be happy.

 

[Alias]

OKKKKKKKK..U havnt played or even seen crysis.

here are a few videos to judge it for ur self ..jus show me any other ingame footage from any game with better physic simulation or atleast half as good.

YouTube - Crysis Masss Destruction 2
YouTube - Water crysis very high dx10
YouTube - Crysis: Water Tower Demonstration v3

every leave will move on touched upon...every tree can be broken down..
every structure can be torn down..even the terrain can be deformed on use of heavy weapons..water splashes..ripples created and even break down on comin in contact with other objs...i can go on

Sry i dint know all other games can do it

As of Ai u cannot compare it with any other game..i know if feels a bit slugish compared to other game..but then again u have to take in consideration the dynamic environment and the dynamic u (goin cloak ) and also the both combined and see the challeges that posses for the AI to react in real time.

the ability to break down any thing or pick up any thing and use it as a weapon ,cover , distraction...tell me any other game where u can do that :huh:

Atleast the AI doesnt react the same way every time as it does in every other game.

U know atleast crytek attempted to do something to do so ambitious...

Its easy for critics to sit bash a game without knowin the kind of challenges and hardwork thats gone into it from the tech perspective.
PPl who call crysis AI bad..dont even know wht A* shortest path algorithm is or wht fringe search is...hell they dont even know the difference between ambient and specular lighting.

Dude, i have the game and its sitting on my shelf halfway down the campaign because it aint that great imo.

And who is bashing the game on the graphics here? I aint doin any specular lighting or volumetric cloud analysis here.

I am just stating the facts that pretty as it looks, the game aint that great in terms of gameplay especially in a post 2007 era of gaming where a gud game aint just about graphics.

 

[Alias]

^^ It is also very easy to sit and appreciate games when people don't pay for it(i am not assuming you haven't). You have to realise that a game is a product that publishers put out and you also have to realise the average gamer is not some big-shot who can afford just about everything so it's pretty obvious people will expect it to run (the very least) if they purchase it.

Ofcourse if one does not purchase a game such thoughts never come to one's mind..............

Not sure who this was directed for but to clear things up, i have the retail version of Crysis.

Not completed though, which is a totally different story as it finally is just a 50$ showcase for my pc power.

Edit: Baah, i missed your bracketed statement. Ignore the above. A pure simple case of jumping the gun. Sigh...

 

[arnold]

Dude, i have the game and its sitting on my shelf halfway down the campaign because it aint that great imo.

And who is bashing the game on the graphics here? I aint doin any specular lighting or volumetric cloud analysis here.

I am just stating the facts that pretty as it looks, the game aint that great in terms of gameplay especially in a post 2007 era of gaming where a gud game aint just about graphics.

thats true ..good game jus aint about graphics or physics ..its actually abt the game play.

but this topic was about the graphics and physics and AI and stuff not game play :cool2:

 

[Alias]

thats true ..good game jus aint about graphics or physics ..its actually abt the game play.

but this topic was about the graphics and physics and AI and stuff not game play :cool2:

Ok, this is goin nowhere i guess but physics and AI are constituents of gameplay fyi.

And yes this discussion was about your statement where you mention no game coming close to Crysis in graphics, AI, physics which i beg to differ. Graphics, yes?
AI & Physics? Nope.

 

[Blade_Runner]

i bought the original game.

IMO it looks better than any other game on medium to high details at 720p (jus a reminder that what most console res are) and plays without a glitch.

the thing is jus because u have the option of turning the graphical settings to very high does not mean u need to put them at very high, even when u know u dont have the hardware and then say the game is unplayable,badly coded,unoptimised and buggy.

btw as much as i know..there are a lot of people who played crysis and almost none of them have a 8800GTX SLI and a quad core

the point is ppl who got lower hardware can play at lower settings and enjoy the game and ppl who have monster PC have a better experience.Thats is what is called a scalable game engine.
Its not that putting any graphical settings to low, disables some feature in the game..the gameplay is still the same.

may be crytek should rename the low settings as ultra high next time and that way every one can be happy.

Again i never said you dint get the original
Graphically it's the best but thats not the reason why people should not expect a decent experience out of it. And let's not get to consoles cuz it's an another topic altogether and besides consoles offer a more standard/level gameplay experience.

Crysis did not get the commercial success it deserved simply because it could not run well. About the "playing without a glitch" part well running under 30 fps for most parts even on a decent system isn't my idea of it. Surely you missed all of the "crysis is so far ahead of it's time" jokes.
Imho and really humble opinion i think Crytek developed this engine with keeping 2 years of gaming in mind (Thats fair imo since engines are supposed to be future-proof) however where they blew it was in implementing it in Crysis. Ofcourse pinpointing it is futile unless you worked on the game but needless to say the results are enough to prove that something somewhere did not go as plan.

[H] Enthusiast - Palit GeForce 8800 GT Super+1GB

Check out the link above, the 8800GT is by no means a slouch and the settings used are less than stellar mostly medium with a few high ones. The resolution used is also pretty moderate but still the game gets under 30fps most of the time. Now imagine the plight of lesser gamers with lesser hardware ! And your argument about lowering settings is very subjective so speak for yourself, i like my games with all the eye candy on.

 

[arnold]

Crysis did not get the commercial success it deserved simply because it could not run well. About the "playing without a glitch" part well running under 30 fps for most parts even on a decent system isn't my idea of it. Surely you missed all of the "crysis is so far ahead of it's time" jokes.
Imho and really humble opinion i think Crytek developed this engine with keeping 2 years of gaming in mind (Thats fair imo since engines are supposed to be future-proof) however where they blew it was in implementing it in Crysis. Ofcourse pinpointing it is futile unless you worked on the game but needless to say the results are enough to prove that something somewhere did not go as plan.

[H] Enthusiast - Palit GeForce 8800 GT Super+1GB

Check out the link above, the 8800GT is by no means a slouch and the settings used are less than stellar mostly medium with a few high ones. The resolution used is also pretty moderate but still the game gets under 30fps most of the time. Now imagine the plight of lesser gamers with lesser hardware ! And your argument about lowering settings is very subjective so speak for yourself, i like my games with all the eye candy on.

Ok, this is goin nowhere i guess but physics and AI are constituents of gameplay fyi.

And yes this discussion was about your statement where you mention no game coming close to Crysis in graphics, AI, physics which i beg to differ. Graphics, yes?
AI & Physics? Nope.

1024x768 or 1240x720 with same settings always puts out 25+ fps and avg of 35fps.
thats the whole point jus have to find the right balance between performance and eyecandy..Now pls dont tell me it doesnt look good with those settings..IMO looks better than any other with that setting.

first time i played was on 7900GS with low to medium settings still it looked gr8.
AI i can understand..diff ppl have diff view poin ..but physics i dont understand..wht in ur opinion make crysis physics ordinary.
jus tell me the the game which u think had the best physics. :S

 

[fangface]

No the crysis engines not buggy...its jus that the hardware price have fallen by more than 200% in the last 6 months :hap2:

$500 for the quad core to $200 now
$90 for 2gb sticks to $45 now
$500 for a 8800GTX to $200 for a 4850 now.

the next gen gpu's were supposed to come last dec (usually updated every 12 months) but it took a bit longer this time (lack of competition, lack of demanding games). that was the only bug in crysis.

Nah, i think they just didnt care too much about making Crysis scale well across different configs. Not that they couldnt, they just didnt bother- and it worked well enough, everyone is obsessed about the game, not so much about gameplay but about framerates and IQ settings

Its rubbish that we need to spend so much money upgrading for inefficient software. Thankfully they have thought about the folks who cant afford very fancy rigs now

 

[Blade_Runner]

1024x768 or 1240x720 with same settings always puts out 25+ fps and avg of 35fps.

thats the whole point jus have to find the right balance between performance and eyecandy..Now pls dont tell me it doesnt look good with those settings..IMO looks better than any other with that setting.

first time i played was on 7900GS with low to medium settings still it looked gr8.

AI i can understand..diff ppl have diff view poin ..but physics i dont understand..wht in ur opinion make crysis physics ordinary.

jus tell me the the game which u think had the best physics. :S

Wow ! 1024x768 and 1280x720 are going to put out the same fps ! Pray tell me how a narrower resolution is gonna put out more fps when the latter clearly has to render more geometry ?

Thanks but i rest my case. It would have been a good discussion/argument if your points were more objective than your own opinions.

 

[ubergeek]

i think the game with best physics is HALF LIFE 2 and Portal crysis was very technically profecient the major falw in the game was it was not optimized properly