Party Monger
Juggernaut
Got 20kg cart of Baiganfalli Mangoes for 1300/- Now its a race to finish them before they go all black lmao. If you have some friends ready to buy together, then it becomes real easy.
What's your perspective on the India's future?
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Pyception
Forerunner
Pyception
Forerunner
You claim there are tremendous progress, however it’s important to understand what metrics being measured. Now these days, progress is either superficial or carefully selected to paint a rosier picture than reality warrants.
"Why should anyone care what you think" - Because I matter, because we all are part of it. Some of us have already shared our life experience, these can't be false. This is why you're reading this forum, spending few hours daily basis, prepared your argument and present.
Incremental changes in minor areas can be used to distract from the lack of real, systemic improvement. Criticise something isn’t about maintaining a narrative— it’s about holding people accountable. If problems persist or promises remain unfulfilled, it’s not only fair but necessary to highlight these failures.
Sometimes, tough criticism is what drives genuine change, not feel-good narratives.
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Quasar
Who gets to define reality?
Why is your reality more valid.
Incremental changes over a period of time amount to a lot. You can't just ignore them. The problem in other countries that have spent more than they earn is they are stagnant.
There is no way to argue on percapita. A hundred years from now you will still say but there are poor people. Poverty is an unsolvable problem. All you can do is manage it. And without a rising tide that only gets delayed further. Growth is the only way to manage it. Even that is contested. It's happening. That no one can challeng. The argument is over the figure.
Feel good is optional. Positive & informative is not. How many here can manage the latter? It's not easy. Takes effort.
What knowledgeable can be built on a bunch of negative narratives? Nothing.
Nothing I can take from here and use elsewhere
keep smoking more copium lol, if you think CSE represents the rest of the country then you are beyond deluded, its only some fields that are printing money, others are just chugging along, its a well known fact that low income earners (<10LPA) in tier 1/2 cities are struggling, schools, groceries, transport everything has gotten more expensive and salaries in other fields havent kept up, you want example? check out TCS salary back in 2012 and its salary now, and you'll get your answer.
But I do see that as per your usual MO, you'll selectively answer points and then call it a victory, Whats the point of debating if you can only selectively answer points? atleast have the balls to acknowledge facts that you have no argument against
my man quoting Thatcher of all people? LMFAOOOO
for peeps not having context: Thatcher is one of the most hated PMs in Britain's history, she was almost solely responsible for shutting down govt run utilities and "privatizing" them, and guess who gained a massive profit off of that? ding ding! it was the Tories! She essentially waged a war against the working class, battling unions, stripping public run utiities, coal mines (a lot of towns went bankrupt because of her, since their entire economy was based around the mines), Britain saw one of the worst income inequalities in her tenure, she was a firm supporter of the paradigm "Rich getting richer, and poor gettting poorer", I wont talk much more on this since my rants itself on her might take up a separate post.
iNFlAtIoN NeVEr EXiSteD bEFoRe loll, why dont you answer the point you nincompoop? or did the cat get your tongue? and my point still stands. median salaries have not kept up with inflation. I knew you would respond with some bullshit like this, you are so predictable lolHe asked for per capita and got his answer
Did inflation never exist before? Oh yes it did but people couldn't earn like now. Why is that ignored. Doesn't suit your narrative.
Guys,
You all seem educated and mature enough to not use personal attacks during such discussion.
It can easily be avoided .
You all seem educated and mature enough to not use personal attacks during such discussion.
It can easily be avoided .
bssunilreddy
Luminary
All states govts are giving freebies without actually improving the state of living like providing good education till a child reaches a profession. This is absent in Indian educational system. Like to get a seat in private engineering college it's like spending 10 lacs and even in IIITs they are charging 6 lacs per year.
Did anybody improve this for poor students?
Essential services like quality education and health care is needed but giving free ration and free loan reimbursements are being mis-utilized by big farmers as well. Those who doesn't have any piece of land are left out. Those who lease out land and do agriculture are left out so normally agriculture have become a land lords profession nowadays.
These issues needed to be addressed.
Giving money for women and for children is good but what are they doing with it? They are giving it for interest sometimes.
Pension for old people is good. Anganwadi kendras funding should be increased more so that women can use these funds for establishing new units or learn new skills which makes them independent.
Regarding dowry it's become a fashion to give more dowry or receive more dowry because it has become a status symbol nowadays. If any man didn't take dowry he is considered as a gay. Same for women also.
Divorces have increased since the last 15 years because of software and hardware industry development.
Independence especially financial one should not be used as a weapon to de-moralize ourselves.
Same applies to any kind of independence.
Learning mistakes after committing them is okay but at the cost of children's lives as Judges in courts are asking to reconcile but we don't because of ego.
Did anybody improve this for poor students?
Essential services like quality education and health care is needed but giving free ration and free loan reimbursements are being mis-utilized by big farmers as well. Those who doesn't have any piece of land are left out. Those who lease out land and do agriculture are left out so normally agriculture have become a land lords profession nowadays.
These issues needed to be addressed.
Giving money for women and for children is good but what are they doing with it? They are giving it for interest sometimes.
Pension for old people is good. Anganwadi kendras funding should be increased more so that women can use these funds for establishing new units or learn new skills which makes them independent.
Regarding dowry it's become a fashion to give more dowry or receive more dowry because it has become a status symbol nowadays. If any man didn't take dowry he is considered as a gay. Same for women also.
Divorces have increased since the last 15 years because of software and hardware industry development.
Independence especially financial one should not be used as a weapon to de-moralize ourselves.
Same applies to any kind of independence.
Learning mistakes after committing them is okay but at the cost of children's lives as Judges in courts are asking to reconcile but we don't because of ego.
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Quasar
Infosys et al. contribute 5% to GDP. They get a lot more attention from politicians than they deserve. Small businesses contribute 50% GDP starting with the lowly flower seller.
You still haven't told me how people are getting poorer. Inflation was always there and higher than it is presently.
Inflation was far worse in the past than it is now. A big driver of Inflation is oil prices. Prices crashed post 2014 and never got to the heights they were back in 2010.
Are you saying were are as worse off as back then? I don't think you can say that.
I should concede that there will always be poor people? That nobody can celebrate because of that. You want me to concede that. I've already said that's a dead end argument.
Who is the one with the MO here. The commentators I follow keep pointing out how this countries growth rate is continuing in contrast to the WORLD. But in here we see its called 'selective reading' of facts. No, its acknowledging what is happening.
Yeah, very pertinent as she rubbished your contention of wealth gap.Thirty years ago he same trope was being recited too.
You don't have a comeback from that do you. That's why Thatcher of all people.
She is the reason the UK isn't in the PIGS group. I know she was hated. I've lived in the UK for many years. Northerners & Welsh mining towns lost out. City of London won big. Home owners won big. Small businesses prospered. There were losers but the country overall benefitted at the time.
People that bring in necessary usuallyanf shake the system usually are hated. Look at Trump. I'm tempted to add Indira to this list. She too was an iron lady but from the opposite end.
Inflation existed in the past when there was less growth. Yeah?
When the growth rate improved, people argued it was jobless growth. Now the whine is salaries aren't keeping up with inflation. Yet I've shown you per capita increases over time. Not enough according to you but there nonetheless.
bssunilreddy
Luminary
Bois
Don't argue.
Before voting day who ever gives more money wins and even though govts don't complete their promises are never questioned.
Giving freebies is okay to an extent but making people lazy and inefficient is not good in the long run.
AP is an young state and it should be given a special package for its development but centre isn't showing any interest at all because if it gives to AP then it has to give to others that's why.
I was recently in Russia and visited a village with just 30 students and the school Infrastructure I saw...I was amazed.
I could not even believe this is a village school.
I can bet I have seen schools in India with 100 students in much worse conditions and lack of infrastructure.
Common man in India should be more focused about Human Development Index, Multidimensional Poverty Index, or similar indices which can be more meaningful for overall population than GDP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
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Median Income by country probably also may reflect more meaningful matrix.
Not dissing India's growth, but with have to go miles ahead in HDI compared to many other countries, remember that given a choice most people will jump the ship to another foreign country for better living standards which happens for a reason.
List of countries by wealth per adult - Wikipedia
Not dissing India's growth, but with have to go miles ahead in HDI compared to many other countries, remember that given a choice most people will jump the ship to another foreign country for better living standards which happens for a reason.
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alekhkhanna
Innovator
Just 2 people in the house. Getting a peti means donating or letting it rot. Good option for a bigger family nevertheless.
Because no one is accountable. No one in power thinks of the next generation. Corruption is at the core of everything. Delhi has KVs with massive areas - but many are in poor shape as govt is not interested in maintaining them. Most govt schools will have some ghost teacher's name, who will just visit to collect his or her salary, and never teach the students (heck, most of them are not even worthy of being teachers).
Middle class/Upper middle class will build their own bubbles by sending kids to schools, whose only goal is to get 100% in board exams. No real life skills are taught. Most infra is around textbook teaching. Many schools will partner with some shit startup like Byjus etc and fool parents with elearning or coding classes.
Don't even get me started on lack of basic civility. I was driving through West Delhi few nights earlier and absolutely zero people followed traffic lights. ****ers would ram their bikes in an inch of space, having no care about themselves, their kids on the bike or others. Just crossing that area at 10 pm in the night took lime 30 mins.
Our GDP maybe growing but we are mostly a bunch of uncivilized idiots, and that's not going away anytime soon.
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not really, specially for bigger fruits or something like Mangoes, even Apple in our peti comes out to be around 20-30, and these last us for weeks if refrigerated,
I had sometime back met a parent during my trek and they told me they no longer send their kid to school but give her home-schooling. I wish I should have talked to them more about it but we were bit tired. However, that idea actually fascinated me and I did some research and though till very rare but some well educated couple are now started to take this step.
Private schools are feeding on Parents doing everything to give their children good education and Govt. schools are Ram bhadoshe.
Regarding Govt. School...I was once trekking through a village and was living with an elderly man whose one son was in Army and his grandson was going to school. I started discussing education with him he said there is no maths teacher in his school but they only have 1 teacher who teaches them everything from Maths to Geography to History to English. I am not saying that is wrong but one can understand he is not getting good education by his poor skills in many subject.
They even offered me to be a maths teacher but I am not sure if I could do a good job at that as it was not my field . ofcourse there class 6 level maths would have not been hard for me to help them with but was not ready for it.
i did approach some of my friends back then ( this was years ago) if they are interested to help children in a village . But everyone is so busy with running after making money who has time to do social works for little to no money. I dont blame them too.
Delhi is the one of the worst capital in the world I think. If I start comparing to Moscow ...I will be not be able to stop myself from going on.
India does not have one proper well developed city that I can still say what a nice well developed city other than maybe Chandigarh and Indore( not been to indore but most people I met share similar thoughts) to some extent.
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bssunilreddy
Luminary
Centre has been doing a lot of recruitment for its many services but many states isn't doing this. Where will the states get personnel for providing teachers or babus as they aren't recruiting much. In fact in today's world not many are joining govt schools as there private schools at every corner of a street. There is no regulation on these schools at all. In AP there are Narayana & Chaitanya schools and colleges which employ just of college grads as Teachers & Lecturers and use their own material for imparting education and charge lacs right from KG to Intermediate. They say IIT based classes right from 5th or 7th standard onwards. It's just business for them as usual. No more imparting essential skills.
Regarding schemes and freebies YSRs period was the golden period and now the promises issued by Naidu are left to the wind.
It's like AP will become Telangana after 20 years I think regarding both central & private industrial units establishment.
Telangana gets good revenue but lacks in Electricity production while AP lacks in Revenue but has ample Thermal Power plants. It's because of many PSUs and Software development units in Telangana where as AP lacks in them.
I think Congress did better in this regard during 2004-14 overall anywhere in India as petrol and essential commodities prices were put in check but see now those prices have tripled or quadrupled.
In our native place all kinds of establishments like all brands eateries and clothing outlets have come up these last 10-15 years and the number of private hospitals have also increased since we are eating simply this junk food and buying good clothes.
For quality hospitals we still are visiting Madras as failure rates are tremendous in our native place hospitals.
My own uncle died because of Apollo Hospitals business mentality and by the time he was shifted to Madras it was too late.
Where are the laws to govern these irregularities either by educational or hospitality institutions or eateries.
In Hyderabad many raids were conducted on many eateries but in AP there is no such thing.
Regarding schemes and freebies YSRs period was the golden period and now the promises issued by Naidu are left to the wind.
It's like AP will become Telangana after 20 years I think regarding both central & private industrial units establishment.
Telangana gets good revenue but lacks in Electricity production while AP lacks in Revenue but has ample Thermal Power plants. It's because of many PSUs and Software development units in Telangana where as AP lacks in them.
I think Congress did better in this regard during 2004-14 overall anywhere in India as petrol and essential commodities prices were put in check but see now those prices have tripled or quadrupled.
In our native place all kinds of establishments like all brands eateries and clothing outlets have come up these last 10-15 years and the number of private hospitals have also increased since we are eating simply this junk food and buying good clothes.
For quality hospitals we still are visiting Madras as failure rates are tremendous in our native place hospitals.
My own uncle died because of Apollo Hospitals business mentality and by the time he was shifted to Madras it was too late.
Where are the laws to govern these irregularities either by educational or hospitality institutions or eateries.
In Hyderabad many raids were conducted on many eateries but in AP there is no such thing.
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let me put it this way, even if you are broke and you have to send your kid to the most rundown govt school imaginable. send them, socializing is a very important part of a child's development, they need to learn how to talk to their peers, navigate social circles, expectations etc and this is something they they cant learn on their own.
alekhkhanna
Innovator
I agree. Chandigarh maybe well planned but it has other issues - massive number of young blood with exorbitant money to spend. Don't care if they break laws or kill anyone. Drugs are common.
Indore has bits and pieces which are great, but many underdeveloped areas.
I don't think any city in India is developed enough that you want to go and live there. I like Mysore - great weather etc, but civic infra is still underdeveloped, and you can see lack of cleanliness and civic understanding while heading towards Chamundi Hills.
Out of options - in other words - back to survival mindset.
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Number of brutal deaths due to dog attacks... totally avoidable in 2025, unfortunately still happens regularly because of reckless animal love of some inhumane minded people. The value we give to humans in India...
