Graphic Cards which x800xl?

zhopudey

zhopudey

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I'm thinking of getting a gfx card from the US, and am wondering whether to cough up the cash for a x800xl (was initially all set for 6600gt).

How are powercolor and HIS cards? They've got good reviews on the net -

Powercolor http://www.mvktech.net/content/view/1425/
HIS http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/x800xl/index.php

The HIS in particular seems to have an excellent cooling solution. And it will look awesome in UV light.



The HIS card is more expensive, but the powercolor is the cheapest on newegg. So, is it worth considering?
 
Better get a 6800GT for $300 or even a 6800LE from Chaintech for $240.The Chaintech 6800LE 256mb have a very high unlock rate to 16/6 and then overclock to 400/800!
Check out sharkyextreme's price guide out 2day.
 
And even for an X800Xl, you could do better than a Powercolor or HIS. Go for sapphire or Gigabyte or something.

But my vote would go to the 6800GT. The price difference is not much...... 300$ is around 300 x 45 = 13,500.
 
Nikhil said:
And even for an X800Xl, you could do better than a Powercolor or HIS. Go for sapphire or Gigabyte or something.

But my vote would go to the 6800GT. The price difference is not much...... 300$ is around 300 x 45 = 13,500.
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You wont get a PCI-E 6800GT for anything less than 350$. A X800XL would cost around 280 or so. Thats like a 25% more price for a slower card :P.
 
It is not a slower card(technically yes.... ). It is neck and neck with the X800XL. And beats it in most benchies.....

And also, it is very easy to oc a GT to Ultra levels. But it is difficult to oc an XL to X850 XT PE levels. So, you are literally getting the top end model from nvidia..... at 350$ which is still around 15K. And I do not even need to say but that price is amazing for a 6800GT(in India......)
 
Nikhil said:
It is not a slower card(technically yes.... ). It is neck and neck with the X800XL. And beats it in most benchies.....

And also, it is very easy to oc a GT to Ultra levels. But it is difficult to oc an XL to X850 XT PE levels. So, you are literally getting the top end model from nvidia..... at 350$ which is still around 15K. And I do not even need to say but that price is amazing for a 6800GT(in India......)
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At stock, tell me one game in which the 6800GT beats the X800XL(other than D3). I cant really find one... Here's an example

http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzgw
 
Nikhil,don't upset FanATics yaar. ;)
The 6800Gt should be preferred for two reasons:
1.Better feature set that really matters in games like SC:CT.
2.If push comes to shove an year down the line,u can use it in an SLI setup.
 
http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/radeon-x800xl-512mb/index.x?pg=7 Wins one and loses one

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/radeon-x800xl-512mb/index.x?pg=8 The difference is negligible..

Nikhil posted 1.82 minutes later:

@ Chaos --- please do not reply right now......... I posted by mistake..... Wait for some time.......

@ Undertaker ---- As far as I know, Chaos is not a FanATic......

And there is no harm in having a healthy debate..... if I am wrong, I will accept it..... I think I am right though...... let me see.....

Nikhil posted 17.33 minutes later:

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/radeon-x800xl-512mb/index.x?pg=9

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=6 --- I am neglecting both HL2 and DOOM 3.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2299&p=7

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x800xl/index.x?pg=9

http://www.hothardware.com/printarticle.cfm?articleid=649 ----- You See???? This can go on and on and on...... every website gets slightly different results.... and this battle between X800 XL and 6800GT is so close that even those minute difference make sure that the winners and losers change places frequently...
Anandtech said:
Once it was launched, we knew that the X800 XL would be an interesting competitor to NVIDIA's GeForce 6800GT, and indeed it is. As we mentioned earlier in the review, ignoring Doom 3, the X800 XL is quite competitive with the 6800GT and should be $100 cheaper when it hits the streets. At a high level, the X800 XL is a more affordable alternative to the 6800GT that offers similar performance in most areas. Unfortunately for ATI, Doom 3 is a big deal and it somewhat complicates our recommendation.

If you are looking for an AGP card, your only option at this price point is really the 6800GT. There are cheaper alternatives, but not better performing AGP alternatives at $400 or less.

ATI informed us at the X850 launch that the X800 XL would be available sometime in January. If this is indeed true, then in January, we'd be foolish not to recommend the X800 XL, not because it offers a huge performance advantage over the 6800GT (which it does not), but because it holds a $100 price advantage over the 6800GT.

If ATI is able to bring out the X800 XL at its suggested street price of $299, then most users won't have a problem glancing over the lower Doom 3 performance, given that the X800 XL is quite competitive in other titles. If ATI can ensure that their only blemish is Doom 3, and should they continue to work hard to reduce that blemish through further driver optimizations, then the X800 XL won't only be the more affordable solution, but it would become the clear solution.

For now, ATI wins because of price, which is something that we're able to live with. Now, if this thing is actually available when it's suppose to be, then we'll be happy. However, if it's not, then ATI will have succeeded in delaying holiday sales of NVIDIA's GeForce 6800GT. If you are at all worried about ATI bringing out the X800 XL on time, then the 6800GT is still a good option, just a potentially more costly one. We can't predict the future, but for the sake of keeping competition cleaner, we're hoping that come January, we won't regret recommending the X800 XL today.
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So, what this means is that while performance in DOOM 3 suffers quite a bit(seems to have been corrected to a certain extent with Cats 5.6), they both are very evenly matched.....

So, zhopudey cannot really go wrong with either....

But zhopudey ---- I suggest you go for a Sapphire or Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, or some good brand. Not Powercolor....

In the end, I think, it is just a matter of availability and price and brand loyalty for zhopudey's friend in the US ;)

EDIT: Thanks for waiting till I completed my post....... :)

Nikhil posted 0.98 minutes later:

And also --- the other advantages of a 6800GT are there ----- better overclockability, SLI support, and easy availability.....

Nikhil posted 2.15 minutes later:
techreport said:
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/radeon-x800xl/index.x?pg=10

In 3DMark, the performance of the Radeon X800 XL is remarkably similar to that of the GeForce 6800 GT, both in terms of the overall score and performance in the individual game tests.
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This is so true not only of artificial benchies but all the real world tests also..... I guess, we have to call this battle a tie..... maybe a win for ATI because of the pricing..... but also note that for that sort of low pricing, you will not get any nice bundle with the graphics card......

Nikhil posted 5.97 minutes later:
techreport said:
The Radeon X800 XL is a new product, but it's based on familiar technology. As such, it's a price cut and a performance boost all in one. The Radeon X800 XL is faster than the X800 Pro that it essentially replaces, yet at $299, it lists for $100 less. What's not to like?
As a reviewer, I'm sure I'm supposed to complain about something, but I'm kind of at a loss here. The Radeon X800 XL offers performance that rivals NVIDIA's fastest single card, the GeForce 6800 Ultra, for $200 less. Not only that, but the XL has a quiet, single-slot cooler and doesn't require an auxiliary power connection. This card should nestle neatly into a small form factor system without overheating the box or overtaxing the power supply. I suppose I'd like to see an AGP version of this card, but that's not a complaint so much as it is asking for more.

With the Radeon X800 XL, ATI has redefined the upper-middle class of the graphics market, and NVIDIA will have to respond by slashing the price of the GeForce 6800 GT or making an equivalent move. In fact, now that the XL has arrived, I fail to see the point of spending more than $299 for single-card solutions that offer incremental performance gains over the XL. Unless you really, really need dual DVI outputs and video capture capabilities in the same card, there's no reason to buy a Radeon X850 XT.

ATI says the Radeon X800 XL should be shipping in the next couple of weeks. Let's hope they can keep the supply of these cards flowing freely. So long as the Radeon X800 XL doesn't suffer from too many of the availability problems that previous X800 cards have, ATI has a winner on its hands.
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about overclocking an X800 XL

Unfortunately, I didn't get too far with the XL's clock speeds, which topped out at 428MHz for the core and 522MHz for the memory.
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From a stock of 400/490.

The GT runs at 350/1000. It can be easily overclocked to 400/1100 which is Ultra speed...

Nikhil posted 6.03 minutes later:

I think that the lack of an external power connector(which people say is good) detracts from overclocking further......

SO, for every good thing, there is a bad ..... :sigh:
 
LOl ! Guys zhopudey has already made a decision about the x800xl, he is just asking for the brand :P If you ask me i'd probably get the x800xl and save the 60-70$ for a rainy day ;) since the new cards will also be out in some time ;)

@zhopudey: the HIS would be excellent choice, also chk out the sapphire x800xl. Deejay has one and its a gr8 card.
 
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HIS is one of the best manufacturers of ATI cards.
Comes premoded with ATI silencer.
Thats would be my obvious choice.
The reason for poor overclocking is not powerconnector along.
The card uses only 55watts. So PCI express bus has a lot more to provide.
The reason is the lowered voltages on x800xl 256MB ( 512MB model has higher voltages).
There is simple low risk pensil mod for that. Do that and it will overclock like creazy.
And for that you need a good cooler like the one his has.
Get HIS its a no brainer. And vmod it. ITs not the hardmod. Can be undone by simply using a alcohol swop.
You wont be disappointed.

Also if you want to ensure extra juice then get club3d x800xl and buy ATI silencer.
Club3d card comes with extra power connector.
 
heh it wont be available for below $500 for month to come.
6800U took 3 months to come below $500 :P

Dude has decided what he wants. He just wanted to know which company.
 
funkymonkey said:
heh it wont be available for below $500 for month to come.
6800U took 3 months to come below $500 :P

Dude has decided what he wants. He just wanted to know which company.
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Whenever a new card is launched the previous generation parts drop in price. :tongue:
So even if the new card is above $500,the 6800 and X800 will see substantial drops.This has happened every time a new generation enters the market. :D
 
you can wait forever.
Prices will drop when we get new gen cards in good nos. Not before that. Thats not happening for couple of more months.
R520 is surely delayed. G70 will hit by next month but will come in good nos only in August.
And the pricing of ultra and X850s will drop by say $50. 6800,GT/X800XL will not drop significantly until the mainstream cards based on newer generations comes. Which is few moths after flagship models.
This has happened everytime.
THe cards which are near $300 at the moment will shed at max 10-20 $ and 6800U will come at $400.

I am getting my cards from us for last 4 years. I have studied this cycle for years ;)
 
Sapphire is nice, but a HIS is simply great!!! :clap:

Go for HIS X800XL if ur budget permits :)
 
sapphire x800xl sucks. Its heatsink is soo small.
I know company, build quality is good. but heatsink is too small for my liking ;)
 
funkymonkey said:
sapphire x800xl sucks. Its heatsink is soo small.
I know company, build quality is good. but heatsink is too small for my liking ;)
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The sapphire ultimate edition X800XL rocks. It has the zalman vf700-cu. Get that.
 
Yep thats very good version.Comes with cool blue card and blue HFS.
Its priced at MRP of $350 but its available online for $339.
 
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