Why the Ausies ???

[Casperondope]

its something that happens cause people are sick in the head.

The indian media is at war with the australians because they refused to agree it's racist. Australia, NZ, south africa and america are the most racist countries in the world. They are countries which have been over taken by whites and come under constant accusation of imperialist subjugation. It is something that has made them hateful. Metro cities work okay but move towards the suburbs and you'll feel the vibe yourself.

The fact is, every country has red necks. Indians red necks stay away from foreigners because they know the indian police(except in goa) will rip there b@lls off. Though the indian red necks are not naturally hostile to the whites. However, the white red neck are hostile to colour because it is not there land and has been taken under by force.

Indians will need to learn to stay in the metro's to be safe. Pointing racism in a village in bihar is a dissuasion your doing to yourself and your country men.

 

[apextwin146]

I will not type a long reply because this thread will soon be deleted but does it matter whether attacks are racially motivated or not as long as they are attacks . There have been hundreds of cases of foreigners being ill treated in India . Why foreigners ? Do you even have a remote idea how dalits are treated in some areas even today ? Entire families are burnt in the name of caste . I have NOT made any comment on what happened in Australia , its magnitude , or is it right or wrong , I simply pointed out that we have to first have our own system in order before pointing fingers at others .

Dude have some logic in your posts .. Do not compare things just for the sake of it ..
It does matter is the attacks are racial in nature or not .. Racial attacks are not random like your everyday crimes being committed .. They are against a specific race .. Do u think ppl of any other race in australia are as shit scared as indians .. How easily you forgot to take care of that point in your reply ..
I seriously cannot fathom that after everything you would say that it does not matter if the attacks were raciall or not .. its really sad .. I am dead sure that you have never experienced racial attacks(verbal or physical) on the other hand i have seen these kinda things happen and i knw how humiliating it is ..

Secondly you are talking about foreigners .. Do u think all the foreigners are of the same race? I do not get whats the point of draggin this here .. I dont deny that foreigners have never been attacked etc here india but does it ever have a raciall tone to it .. never ..

 

[Casperondope]

This is ofcourse my exaggeration .

Yes. One such case per year does not provide the reason for you to label it as something rampant or an everyday phenomenon. Your wasting your time trying to point out something that isn't what your making it out to be. Nobody is claiming that india isn't racist. That does not mean we do not point someone else's underbelly. Here, the underbelly needs to be pointed because the persons getting attacked are indians.

It would do great if people on this forum stop pretending to be the descendants of an elite family or arundhati roy. No one is going to get a nobel peace price by engaging in arguments on TE.

 

[blr_p]

Its just money game nothing else.

That was the original idea and in an ideal world would always remain true.

Local Taliban, that's a good word, hope this dont take this thread somewhere else.

Idea was to spread a virus

2-3 ppl saying something leading to 2-300 ppl and then turning into 2-3lakhs.

Politicans can only get away with crap if we allow them to do so.

We are the bosses, we elect them and hold them accountable, just like the customer is king in a marketplace.

These actions go against both the market & the policital process.

 

[Casperondope]

Hehe

"One god, One market, One truth, One consumer" and then... *laughing hysterically* and then... back to reality.

Hello!!!

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Was this attack in india racially motivated ? On the other hand the attacks on indians are racially motivated ..

How about the religion/caste/race/region/ based discrimination and violence and other general terror activities by Indians on Indians in India. Maybe we should boycott the Indian Cricket team first (As if that violence has anything to do with the cricketers in the first place)

I am amazed how we Indians tend to blame everyone but ourselves for all the crap that happens in and outside our country. If terrorists from Pakistan attack us because of lax security, it is Pakistan's fault and we want the Pakistan cricket team to be punished. If tomorrow china attacks, its china's fault, but never ours. If someone attacks America however there would be a 100 people here to say that its Americas own damn fault to allow something like that.

Similarly, we make little of the discriminative violence that happens inside our very country, but want to punish the Australian cricket team for similar incidents that happened there and god knows how many of them are actually racially motivated and not regular crimes or even concocted stories as we have seen lately.

 

[apextwin146]

How about the religion/caste/race/region/ based discrimination and violence and other general terror activities by Indians on Indians in India. Maybe we should boycott the Indian Cricket team first (As if that violence has anything to do with the cricketers in the first place)

I am amazed how we Indians tend to blame everyone but ourselves for all the crap that happens in and outside our country. If terrorists from Pakistan attack us because of lax security, it is Pakistan's fault and we want the Pakistan cricket team to be punished. If tomorrow china attacks, its china's fault, but never ours. If someone attacks America however there would be a 100 people here to say that its Americas own damn fault to allow something like that.

Similarly, we make little of the discriminative violence that happens inside our very country, but want to punish the Australian cricket team for similar incidents that happened there and god knows how many of them are actually racially motivated and not regular crimes or even concocted stories as we have seen lately.

I along with most of the indians knw about "religion/caste/race/region/ based discrimination and violence and other general terror activities by Indians on Indians in India" .. I am no where in any of my posts denying that this does
not happen in india .. But how is this even remotely linked to what is happening in OZ? Why does everyone keep bringing this same point over and over again in OZ related discussions .. So according to your argument you are saying that just because it happens in india it should be allowed to happen to Indians living abroad .. yes it makes sense ..Cuz surely these ppl living abroad were exposed to racial violence and descrimination when they were in india .. So they must be used to it like the rest of the indian population .. So i am dead sure that Lord nemesis and Manu are used to such violence and descrimination cuz it happens everywhere in india .. Since we are used to all this then it does not matter if it happens to indians living in any other country .. Thats the indian attitude ;take shit from everyone cuz you are used to doing in anyways in your homeland ..

I along with every indian citizen is responsible for what ever is happening in india but events that occur outside this country are pu tof our reach .. So is it too much to ask for Govt to interfere in this rather than just issue some dummy statements ..

 

[Casperondope]

How about the religion/caste/race/region/ based discrimination and violence and other general terror activities by Indians on Indians in India.

So according to this logic, we do not have the right to protest about racist anywhere? Why did SRK protest when they tried to check him on the plane? They should have left him alone cause he was this big star in india. OH!! He had the right to protest because he was a muslim - a minority? Have i figured out your riddle yet?

Maybe we should boycott the Indian Cricket team first (As if that violence has anything to do with the cricketers in the first place)

Why should we have a say on what a "private" league does? They didn't choose pakistani players... There money, there choice.

You bought a MAC in london with your money and they applied duty on it when you tried to bring it in india. Why?

I am amazed how we Indians tend to blame everyone but ourselves for all the crap that happens in and outside our country.

What does this rant prove? What does it mean when pakistan blames hindu pandits for blowing up bombs in karachi and lahore? Or having a hand in balochistan?

These are just RANTS!!!

If terrorists from Pakistan attack us because of lax security, it is Pakistan's fault and we want the Pakistan cricket team to be punished.

Logic no. 2
So the bihari's who got attacked in mumbai were themselves to be blamed because they didn't know kung fu karate to defend themselves?

If tomorrow china attacks, its china's fault, but never ours.

You are indirectly saying that indians in australia should arms themselves with knives, sticks or guns. If they don't, they'll get attacked and the blame lies on indians. If they carry guns and knives in there pants, don't you think the aussie police will put them behind bars?

If someone attacks America however there would be a 100 people here to say that its Americas own damn fault to allow something like that.

Why does america arm itself? It is a land they stole from others. There in constant fear. There civilians are free to arm themselves.

Similarly, we make little of the discriminative violence that happens inside our very country, but want to punish the Australian cricket team for similar incidents that happened there and god knows how many of them are actually racially motivated and not regular crimes or even concocted stories as we have seen lately.

All india asks for is to acknowledge the fact that those attacks were racially motivated. But they have there heads too far up there [...]'s to ever accept that.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

So according to this logic, we do not have the right to protest about racist anywhere?

Yeah, but the way its being done, the only analogy I can draw is that of an Anus complaining about the hands being dirty and saying that it will not allow the hand near it till the hand is clean.

"Clean your own home before you complain about someone elses"

Why should we have a say on what a "private" league does? They didn't choose pakistani players... There money, there choice.

Exactly my point. They choose whom they want. Why do people say that Pakistan players should not be taken or that Aussies should not be taken.

Logic no. 2

So the bihari's who got attacked in mumbai were themselves to be blamed because they didn't know kung fu karate to defend themselves?

Or maybe people who talk about how Aussies should be boycotted may first take the initiative to boycott people like RT and BT and see that its done before going on to talk about the Aussies or the Pakis.

You are indirectly saying that indians in australia should arms themselves with knives, sticks or guns. If they don't, they'll get attacked and the blame lies on indians. If they carry guns and knives in there pants, don't you think the aussie police will put them behind bars?

Or maybe do something rational like analyze why only Indians are being targeted (if that's the case) when people from so many people from other countries/races live there. If its indeed a case of Indians being the only ones targeted, then there must be a reason for that.

Why does america arm itself? It is a land they stole from others. There in constant fear. There civilians are free to arm themselves.

And you are sure that you are of pure Indian ancestry from the day humans evolved. They say humans initially evolved in Africa and migrated to the rest of the world at various times. So I don't see what you are trying to convey by making it seem that Americans are the only people in the world who migrated from some place else.

All india asks for is to acknowledge the fact that those attacks were racially motivated. But they have there heads too far up there [...]'s to ever accept that.

Yes, and all they are asking is to not to cry racism every time a crime happens against an Indian. At least two of the recent cases thought to be racially motivated turned out to be an insurance fraud attempt in one case and a cold blooded murder by fellow Indians in another case.

 

[hash]

Stop blaming every Australian for those attacks.

 

[blr_p]

Hehe
"One god, One market, One truth, One consumer" and then... *laughing hysterically* and then... back to reality.

Hello!!!

If teams can't choose the best team (within regulations) then you're not going to get as good a game. Falling for the rascism jazz is just a red herring, point is companies are being interferred with by parties that have nothing to do with the subject at hand but for their own self-serving reasons.

Choice is being limited. My point was simple, we are getting an inferior product when we could have had better. Taking it further it brings down the value & prestige attached to the IPL by getting caught in this nonsense. Ultimately its attacking the hopes & aspirations of this country & its people by making us into a laughing stock.

So, umm, what was your point ?

 

[l33t_5n1p3r_max]

anyways the mods would shut it down in no time after our resident jingoist leet_sniper graces this thread.

You just can't live without dragging me into some thread can you, you silly little boy. I replied to that defence thread of yours by the way.

Next time you call someone out, don't scurry away like a rodent when they meet you halfway, kid.

 

[Casperondope]

Yeah, but the way its being done, the only analogy I can draw is that of an Anus complaining about the hands being dirty and saying that it will not allow the hand near it till the hand is clean.

"Clean your own home before you complain about someone elses"

Our hands are not clean? That is what your trying to say?
What indians do in india is none of australia's business. The russians warned about issuing a travel advisory because the victim was a russian. We didn't question whether russia's hands were clean. It is the same country which butchered it's own citizens in back in it's communist days. It is the same country whose army raped 300,000 german women in WWII.

Australians occupy a land which is not there's. It kidnapped an entire generation of natives. It wants to send singles to india to clean it's hand? It wants to engage in a game of exposing india's underbelly? This is a game loaded in india's favour and we haven't even begun yet. I hope the aus govt. realizes that before it gets dirty.

Indians like you make me sad. I see a lot of you on the internet and in real life. You are broken and you cannot fight.

Why do people say that Pakistan players should not be taken or that Aussies should not be taken.

Pakistani players were already rejected from within IPL. Actually, even i am against pakistani players playing in IPL and i don't care if it's a private event because it all forms a part of effective diplomacy.

I asked you about the MAC thing. There are somethings which are ok to be meddled with even if it's a private mater. The fact is that it represents india in a form. People are angry with aussie's and bal thackeray is just channeling that anger. You are not ok with it but there are others who would share his views.

Or maybe people who talk about how Aussies should be boycotted may first take the initiative to boycott people like RT and BT and see that its done before going on to talk about the Aussies or the Pakis.

RT and BT have a following. They are no doubt boycotted by the people of UP and bihar but in maharashtra, they represent a population and a issue which it dear to the people, the reason why they still exist. One lossing ground and the other gaining ground. Australia has no part in the domestic dispute between marathi's and the hindi clan.

I don't understand why the rivalry of RT/BT/UP/bihar keep making guest entrys in this thread.

Or maybe do something rational like analyze why only Indians are being targeted

That is question asked by many and it only points to racism.

And you are sure that you are of pure Indian ancestry from the day humans evolved. They say humans initially evolved in Africa and migrated to the rest of the world at various times. So I don't see what you are trying to convey by making it seem that Americans are the only people in the world who migrated from some place else.

Wow!!!
I won't answer this question. I will only suggest you to read american history.

Yes, and all they are asking is to not to cry racism every time a crime happens against an Indian.

I don't think they ever said outright, that racism was involved. The indian govt. only responded after the frequency of attacks had increased. The indian media generated hyperboles when the aussies refused to accept that racism was involved. Now, those hyperboles have forced the aussies to say that racism was involved in some cases, a charge they refused to acknowledge earlier. Look at what the indian media does as part of background diplomacy. Push and shove had become a necessity.

If teams can't choose ... a laughing stock.

Excellent assessment.

So, umm, what was your point ?

Don't loose it. Everything is going to be okay.

 

[l33t_5n1p3r_max]

Indians like you make me sad. I see a lot of you on the internet and in real life. You are broken and you cannot fight.

Haha...they're the type that are just waiting for papa sam to grant them their H1B visa so they can go to America and preach their liberal and secular bullcrap.

Personally, in my opinion there is a degree of racism involved but its not as deep as the media portrays it. The criminals out there in Australia are generally of Lebanese, Vietnamese or Turkish origins and to say its a racist incident involving all of Australia is blowing it out of proportion.

 

[blr_p]

@casperondope
Where are you located and have you ever lived abroad if so where ?

 

[Casperondope]

The aussie have there own problem with the lebanonese and think they have a hand in the attacks but they themselves do not know. Have read somewhere that they are hostile to others. 2005 Cronulla riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The vietnamese don't mess with you until you mess with them. I have read somewhere that they carry knives and are feared.

 

[MAGNeT]

i am boycotting IPL

Lolzzzzzzz hyeah:

Now?
Why is pawar a politician doing in a cricket organization?

U wont believe BCCI pay taxes in lakhs in whole year but their income goes in 1000 crore easily...

Their every meeting when held have minimum 5 lakhs spend ...

 

[Casperondope]

@blr_p
The closest i've been to another country is the bhutan border while i was in assam. Im from mumbai.

 

[blr_p]

@blr_p
The closest i've been to another country is the bhutan border while i was in assam. Im from mumbai.

Reason i asked is because of things you said earlier, like various countries being racist.

Australia, NZ, south africa and america are the most racist countries in the world. They are countries which have been over taken by whites and come under constant accusation of imperialist subjugation. It is something that has made them hateful. Metro cities work okay but move towards the suburbs and you'll feel the vibe yourself.

It is the same country which butchered it's own citizens in back in it's communist days. It is the same country whose army raped 300,000 german women in WWII.

Australians occupy a land which is not there's. It kidnapped an entire generation of natives.

Now there's rascists everywhere but i'm curious to know what basis you used to classify entire countries as rascist in the here & now. So far all i see is historical referrences but nothing that survives to the present day. And no the present incidents on students in Oz does not qualify. If say, oz decided it would not allow any more indians to enter their country, your argument might have had more merit.

I lived in the UK for many years and have on occasion experienced what you said in the surburbs but it never got to the point where i could classify an entire country as such. My conclusion was that either I was unlucky or the area was a shitty one and just either avoided or lived in better areas. For every biggot i came across there would be at least ten others that were not. This mucks up simplistic perceptions about a country & its people pretty good i can tell you hyeah:

What's troubling is you use these countries past wrongs as a justification for us to do no better. In short the 'everyone does it' argument. Are these the kind of stds you want us to emulate ? otherwise why defend this sort of behaviour.

 

[Lord Nemesis]

Indians like you make me sad. I see a lot of you on the internet and in real life. You are broken and you cannot fight.

And people like you make me laugh and cry at the same time.

Look at how easily you put down people of other cultures and counties saying they are this, they are that, they stole someone else's land and that we are still great no matter what without seeing that we are same as everyone else and without trying to better ourselves rather than trying to preach to others what we do not practice. In fact if you are against the discrimination in other countries while ignoring it in our own country, then I am sorry to say you are yourself a racist no better than one in any other country of the world.

You say that internal shit is no business of Australians, agreed, but isn't it our business at least especially when we want to want preach to Australia how they should behave. You want to dictate how Australians should behave in Australia. Isn't it their own internal matter even if Indians are involved?

Racism starts when people think lowly of other people or get pissed off with them for some reason. Hitler's hate started because he was pissed of with the Jews who were enjoying better economic status and also because he thought they were inferior. If it is true that australians are visibly more aggressive towards Indians when there are so many people of different groups there, then its obviously a case of locals getting pissed of with Indians and venting it out on some innocent folk.

Now people here want to reciprocate by expecting that IPL board show discrimination against cricket players who don't have any thing to do with the violence. Isn't it also a form of racism to discriminate against cricket players who have nothing to do with the violence. If you respond to racism with racism, the mutual hate is only going to increase.

I can perfectly understand if players are not selected for purely business reasons. But demanding that IPL boycott players because they are aussies is simply another act of racism. Its definitely not a simple protest as some people want to disguise it as such.