Xbox 360 - The Dark Side

[Shripad]

The problem with Xbox 360 is that not all xbox games can be played on 360 now. There are no patch for many games.

And please dont forget there are two versions of the 360 and only 1 can be backword compatiable. And at the time of launch many were still unclear of the fact that the basic wont be able to be backword compatiable without HDD.

Its a console with great potential but it was not ready for market launch and its not the perfect product without any issues either. Thats the whole point of that article.

Why you keep bringing PC into picture.

And for that matter new cards like X1900 can be put right into action. There were content which was unplayable on any other card at high resolution. FEAR is perfect example of that. You can turn up the things on your old games at higher resolution, thats the best part of the PC.

Even if you cannot utilise the new features of the hardware you can stretch the older content to new level which was not possible before.

 

[deathdemon89]

Its not a single patch, every game has a different patch. Each time you insert a xbox disc the console connects to Live service and downloads the patch. As for getting the disc, well MS still charges shipping and handling for it. Imagine if you wanted patches everytime you played a old game and needed to order a cd.

Iv read that before.

...just connect your Xbox 360 console to Xbox Live and insert an original Xbox game. The system will automatically check if you have the latest emulation software, download it to your Xbox 360 console as part of a system update...

..Meaning that the emulation software will download after which you will be able to play whichever XBox 360 games have been emulated so far.Where does it say that its gonna download an emulation software every single time...? Nevertheless,even if that is the truth,it hardly matters.Look:

Remember for every single game you have to go get the patch. So instead of playing you will be busy hunting for patches, you would realise how boring this would be if you have a huge game collection.

The 'Box downloads it automatically,you don't have to go "hunting for patches."

As for getting the disc, well MS still charges shipping and handling for it. Imagine if you wanted patches everytime you played a old game and needed to order a cd.

Of course they'll charge for s&h,I never said they wouldn't.I only said the CD is free.This is MS we're talking about,there's always a catch.As for the "patches everytime" thing,you can just ask MS to give you the patches that you need,and they'll provide it on the disc.This is emulation s/w,so it cant be so huge that a number of patches won't be able to fit in a single disc.

I dont own a xbox 360 and have no plans of owning one, all views expressed are of the author, seconded by me

Nor do I,and I don't intend to own one either.Me a PS3 fanboy.But that "author" is full of dung nevertheless.

But on a console if you dont have any games to play with and even your older games require specific patches to be downloaded, it sure is one helluva frustration.

Oh rly? Why is that? Don't you ever download updates for your PC software? Can you do anything with that s/w when its being updated?And since you're "all for convergence" why would you mind emulators? Aren't consoles only starting to become more like PCs every new gen? And the 360 is the first console Iv heard of with such absurd backwards compatibility anyway.The PS2 is backwards compatible with almost every single PS1 game,and the PS3 is gonna be backwards compatible with both the PS1 and PS2 games.

And please dont forget there are two versions of the 360 and only 1 can be backword compatiable. And at the time of launch many were still unclear of the fact that the basic wont be able to be backword compatiable without HDD.

If you're saying that the core version isn't backwards compatible thats not true.As long as it has a HDD,any version is backwards compatible,since the emu s/w has to be stored in the HDD.

Its a console with great potential but it was not ready for market launch and its not the perfect product without any issues either. Thats the whole point of that article.

No,the point of this article is that the reviewer is being too biased and dip is for some reason defending him.After reading that review,how you manage to take the reviewer seriously is beyond me.

And for that matter new cards like X1900 can be put right into action. There were content which was unplayable on any other card at high resolution. FEAR is perfect example of that. You can turn up the things on your old games at higher resolution, thats the best part of the PC.

Even if you cannot utilise the new features of the hardware you can stretch the older content to new level which was not possible before.

So? Does FEAR push the X1900 to its limits? Does it utilise SM 3.0? Does it even come close?

 

[Shripad]

abeeee this is about XBOX 360 only, not PS2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[deathdemon89]

But on a console if you dont have any games to play with and even your older games require specific patches to be downloaded, it sure is one helluva frustration.

With this post,you brought all consoles into the picture.Please read your own posts more carefully before bashing us.

@monkey:I know.

 

[dipdude]

But isnt that what happens with every hardware. Be it the latest gfx card or processor. How many months later does a game come out which uses all the features of a gfx card. And for that matter talk about 64bit processing. Its been around for quite some time now.

^ genius, this was the post above and it was my reply to ren's post and go read the thread again, and the word console was used to talk about xbox 360, cant believe what you guys read and think, bad very bad.

once again, any posts other than xbox 360 are O/T, dont bother posting them

They post off topic but they sure are passionate, guys lets start again, read the article from here and any genuine doubts you have about the article post it here, and we can try it answering if it has not been answererd before, but do remember our views are limited to only that particular XBOX 360 mentioned in that particular article.

 

[deathdemon89]

Okay mister,you win.The console was used to refer to the 360.Fine.Now cancel those two lines I posted about the PS2 and read my post again,you'll find that its still valid.

 

[dipdude]

Okay mister,you win.The console was used to refer to the 360.Fine.Now cancel those two lines I posted about the PS2 and read my post again,you'll find that its still valid.

This is not about winning mate, neither we intend to that, we are just asking you to post whatever relevant doubts you have about the xbox 360's article, we respect your views in the same vein we want you to read the article completely and not dismiss it as crap without any facts to support your claims, be fair on the author that is what we ask.

as i told you before i admire your passion but learn to respect other's view too.

 

[Blade_Runner]

Iv read that before.

Yeah right and you were the one who posted above ! "Noooo, its only one patch that is required" ! See if you dunno about the technical details kindly don't indulge in spreading misinformation just to make your point. Secondly the xbox premium pack only ships with emulators for halo and one other game iirc. Those with core pack cant even emulate until they get a damn HDD !

..Meaning that the emulation software will download after which you will be able to play whichever XBox 360 games have been emulated so far.Where does it say that its gonna download an emulation software every single time...? Nevertheless,even if that is the truth,it hardly matters.Look:

Yes ! you got that right ! After the disc is inserted the game analysed and there is a search for the patch. If you can't comprehend english MS had said that they will continually try to improve backwards compatibility and even now games run into problems on the x360. Now that you found out the truth you look the other way by saying it doesnt matter :S. Lol

Of course they'll charge for s&h,I never said they wouldn't.I only said the CD is free.This is MS we're talking about,there's always a catch.As for the "patches everytime" thing,you can just ask MS to give you the patches that you need,and they'll provide it on the disc.This is emulation s/w,so it cant be so huge that a number of patches won't be able to fit in a single disc.

*sigh* this is a becoming a pattern. I point out a shortcoming. You own it up in parts but then say its "insert some excuse" blah blah. Why are we even having a intelligent debate. This is again turning into a freaking PC Console flame thread !

Oh rly? Why is that? Don't you ever download updates for your PC software? Can you do anything with that s/w when its being updated?And since you're "all for convergence" why would you mind emulators? Aren't consoles only starting to become more like PCs every new gen? And the 360 is the first console Iv heard of with such absurd backwards compatibility anyway.The PS2 is backwards compatible with almost every single PS1 game,and the PS3 is gonna be backwards compatible with both the PS1 and PS2 games.

PC updates and Xbox 360 updates are two different things my friends. Like i said before if you are unsure about the technicalities kindly refrain from posting just about anything to make your point !

No,the point of this article is that the reviewer is being too biased and dip is for some reason defending him.After reading that review,how you manage to take the reviewer seriously is beyond me.

Ok the article is baised ! I had paid the author to somehow make the xbox 360 look bad so that dipdude could post about it here on TE and we could all start a another PC vs Console flamefest ! There happy !

@dipdude: Mate stop posting good articles such as these since no one seems to be interested in looking at both the side of things ! However if you have articles praising the xbox and the *vapourware* ps3 please post Else a sane discussion can't be warranted !

So? Does FEAR push the X1900 to its limits? Does it utilise SM 3.0? Does it even come close?

Look i told you before and i am doing it again. Please refrain from posting when you arent sure about the technicalities.

Next i am sure i'll be quoted, words put into my mouth, misquoted, taken out of context. Bluffy will prolly come and post a single word quoting me i.e. BS with that smiley

 

[Shripad]

If you're saying that the core version isn't backwards compatible thats not true.As long as it has a HDD,any version is backwards compatible,since the emu s/w has to be stored in the HDD.

No,the point of this article is that the reviewer is being too biased and dip is for some reason defending him.After reading that review,how you manage to take the reviewer seriously is beyond me.

So? Does FEAR push the X1900 to its limits? Does it utilise SM 3.0? Does it even come close?

Have you read what i have posted. Read carefully I said its not backword compatiable without HDD.

As far as F.E.A.R is concerned, its most shader intensive game out there. There is no way devloper will risk using only SM3.0 in any game at the moment.But basically content for X1900 is there to be taken advantage off. And its backword compatiable.

Enough of PC talk. This is not about X1900 or PC. its about Xbox and its problems as of now.

deathdemon89, the problem with you is you think everyone who finds any flaw in console is biased. I think you are being totally biased and fanboy for that matter. Sorry but thats what you are. For you console is youg god and it has to be perfect.

Kiddo i am playing games on consoles even before you were borned on NES and sega master system. I am perfectly aware of what are advantages of consoles and their disadvantages.

 

[deathdemon89]

Yeah right and you were the one who posted above ! "Noooo, its only one patch that is required" ! See if you dunno about the technical details kindly don't indulge in spreading misinformation just to make your point. Secondly the xbox premium pack only ships with emulators for halo and one other game iirc.

Its due to that very article that I got confused in the first place! Look,I thought that when you insert an XBox game,it downloads an emulator to play those games! Didn't know its a separate emu for each game.

Those with core pack cant even emulate until they get a damn HDD !

And

As long as it has a HDD,any version is backwards compatible,since the emu s/w has to be stored in the HDD.

^Thats what I posted.:huh:

Yes ! you got that right ! After the disc is inserted the game analysed and there is a search for the patch. If you can't comprehend english MS had said that they will continually try to improve backwards compatibility and even now games run into problems on the x360. Now that you found out the truth you look the other way by saying it doesnt matter :S. Lol

I stated the reasons for why I said it doesn't matter,too.

The 'Box downloads it automatically,you don't have to go "hunting for patches."

you can just ask MS to give you the patches that you need,and they'll provide it on the disc.This is emulation s/w,so it cant be so huge that a number of patches won't be able to fit in a single disc.

What part of that isn't true?

Look i told you before and i am doing it again. Please refrain from posting when you arent sure about the technicalities.

Im not sure,but I sure wanna know.Not misquoting you or putting words in your mouth or anything,but that means it does use SM 3.0? Look,Im just asking.All nice and everything.I was asking then,Im asking now.

*sigh* this is a becoming a pattern. I point out a shortcoming. You own it up in parts but then say its "insert some excuse" blah blah. Why are we even having a intelligent debate. This is again turning into a freaking PC Console flame thread !

What??? Well who's doing the flaming,I wonder?? :S

 

[Params7]

Xbox 360 is meant to play games and the whole point of this article is it does not do that without hiccups

okay, how aobut - 360 is just RELEASED! How about - Give it some time?

does not do that without hiccups

As of now.

The world will laugh at you and your article judging a console upon only months of its release. All console which release have rarely a killer aps releasing in its very few months (Prove me wrong with examples) or a bucketful of games.

Xbox360 does play games, but the library hardly exists. Its got Killers aps lined up, but they want to wait for other consoles to release.

I don't know what exactly is the fuss here with you, you can't expect full grown teeth and hair from a new born baby? Give it a year, post this same article again, and you'll see why exactly you reeked of an aura of a 10 degree fool.

Dude, dont post if you cant get the context, we are talking about xbox 360 not ps2 here. do you even read the thread or you just type for the sake of it.

You're dusicssing 360? Oh i guess it was someone else who talked about a zillion things PC could do, guess it was someone else here as well -



But on a console if you dont have any games to play with and even your older games require specific patches to be downloaded, it sure is one helluva frustration.

For some reason, i find this under your ID...What kind of password do you have? Do you stick them on the wall behind the monitor for easy rememberance? That may be reasonable thing to do for someone with brains like yours but don't let your anyone read it, just a tip.

Finally, talk only about xbox 360 and the article posted in this thread if you want to post O/T then post it in pc vs console thread.

Yeah, that's coming from someone who posted the article then took off road by appreciating how much the PC could do and the consoles couldn't do, and when someone fixes his knowledge, he comes out with a bag of smartass replies for him instead of a thank-you.

Well, this will go nowhere. You're saying customers paid for something that they would get the full use after a year. Okay, first of all, its a console. That's how consoles release. When ps2 launched, SSX was the main title launch, maybe you haven't even head of it the game yet. It was just another snow-skateborder. ps1, Dc, PSP, DS didn't have that impressive launch library you and your article rave for.

And you know, consoles have a very long life? Next-Next gen won't start until 2011 at least for a minimum. if they paid 300$ for something that would last them a ****ing lifetime, what's so wrong about it? Just that the launch library isn't impressive? Which the early-buyers always always know of.

When somebody decides to go for a console, they always look at the library first - That's a given basic. Those buyers knew the current library really wouldn't hold on long. And they know unlike you launch library isnt everything for a console. If they've paid 300$ for something that would never get old and has a huge long life ahead of it, and that it is just gearing itself up for the war with Ps3 and Revolution, its their fault, not yours, not even Microsofts.

 

[Blade_Runner]

Its due to that very article that I got confused in the first place! Look,I thought that when you insert an XBox game,it downloads an emulator to play those games! Didn't know its a separate emu for each game.

Hmm i guess you were confused with how emulators work on PC.

And

^Thats what I posted.:huh:

I stated the reasons for why I said it doesn't matter,too.

what where ?

What part of that isn't true?

Yes you can ask MS to provide you all the patches on a single disc since most of them are arouind 5mb each but then again you miss my point when i said those are continually worked upon. Bugs will be continually fixed. So you'll have to re-order again once you don't feel the gaming experience of halo 1 is good enough and there is a new patch out to fix it. I hope you got it ?

Im not sure,but I sure wanna know.Not misquoting you or putting words in your mouth or anything,but that means it does use SM 3.0? Look,Im just asking.All nice and everything.I was asking then,Im asking now.

Yes that games uses a few effects but its not fully sm 3.0. Plus all games have different codepaths one can be sm 2.0 another sm 3.0 and maybe a fallback path for older cards with sm 1.1.

What??? Well who's doing the flaming,I wonder?? :S

Point me to where else i lost my cool ? Another thing is i've been playing consoles even before i had my PC. Heck PC's for me came a lot later. I've had the atari, the nes, the sega 16bit system, ps1, ps2, psp and you still think we are some PC fanboys here ? i've seen both the side of things, i.e. gaming on a console and gaming on a PC with hi-end card. Imho all the console fanboys i've seen so far have either old outdated graphics cards in their PC and simply cannot enjoy PC games optimally. Since they cannot do so they prefer to bash PC gamers/games ! Are you the same kind ?

 

[Blade_Runner]

Oh shit ! i should have realised earlier ! :lol:

Ok guys you won me over with your superior debating skills I'll reopen the PC vs Console debate since in every other thread that has the PC being referred to in context with gaming you start your Holy Jihad

So much trouble for such a small thing. One of ya'll should have pm'ed me and i would have opened the PC Vs Console debate thread

Edit: Ok i am doing it now

 

[dipdude]

params, i dont even feel like rebutting you. start again from the first post, click here
hope that clears things for you hyeah:

once again about pc - read the whole thread again, ren told some points and i replied to his query why cant you get that man, dont you follow the posts if not point them and i will clear all your doubts. i did not bring pc into picture, go read all the posts.

as for other point's i cant follow your suit and get into personal attacks :no:

all i can say is read the thread again before posting :rofl:

 

[deathdemon89]

^ Iv got an AMD X2 4200,2gigs of RAM and so far Iv had a 9200 Pro.Iv ordered an X1800 XT 512 which is gonna arrive anyday now.I hope that answers your question.And yeah,I thought the emulator in an X360 is similiar to that of the PC,thus the confusion.I don't hate PC gaming,I play a lot on the PC too,I simply prefer consoles cuz of....Well,you probably know why already...All Iv been trying to say is that this particular reviewer wasn't being...Meh forget it.

 

[Params7]

All Iv been trying to say is that this particular reviewer wasn't being

Same here, who the hell judges a console not even 6 months on its entering the market.

 

[Blade_Runner]

^ Iv got an AMD X2 4200,2gigs of RAM and so far Iv had a 9200 Pro.Iv ordered an X1800 XT 512 which is gonna arrive anyday now.

AMD Athlon X2 4200+ and Asus A8N SLi Premium with a radeon 9200 ? Hmm maybe Ati ported over the 9200 to pcie i guess hyeah:
Waiting for your benchies of the x1800xt 512

 

[deathdemon89]

No I had a completely different config when I had the 9200.I had to totally overhaul my whole rig just for the damn GFX card so it doesn't get bottlenecked and cuz its PCI-e

 

[Params7]

params, i dont even feel like rebutting you. start again from the first post, click here

hope that clears things for you hyeah:

once again about pc - read the whole thread again, ren told some points and i replied to his query why cant you get that man, dont you follow the posts if not point them and i will clear all your doubts. i did not bring pc into picture, go read all the posts.

as for other point's i cant follow your suit and get into personal attacks :no:

all i can say is read the thread again before posting :rofl:

You know that's the typical answer one gives if they have no replies. My last paragraphs in last post was indeed on-topic discussing a point from the article. The others, i didn't quote posts from outside this thread. They were just as off-topic as your posts i quoted. I knew REN brought PC into picture, but instead of marking him as off-topic you took the discussion further, and marked me for off-topic posts when i clearly posted in the same field you were heading in.

And stop saying the same thing over and over again.

 

[deathdemon89]

Uh,maybe we shouldn't start this all over again....