Your thoughts on the BJP's govt. claim of "Every village in the country has been electrified."

[Zaibatsu]

This blood-sucking govt is full of lies, and are master of misdirection, with absolutely no-**** giving to real problems.

@Renegade just checking if this section of forum is hidden from google bots. In TE we don't care much about anonymity & privacy.
And things are not very good in India, as in one side "The Watchman" says he like criticism, but in other hand people who criticise this govt are being harassed in worst possible ways.

Either we stop political threads or take proper precautions.
There is other forum, where we have a section like "desh ko bech dalo" - which is invisible from indexing bots as well as general public, one has to be a member & logged in to see that.

Just my though, as i don't want Amit Shah's gau rakshak knocking any TE members door

I was also wondering if we could use a VPN on the forum. I wanna stop my ISP from tracking my internet activities. The other day I was watching The Flash CW Live Stream using a third party link and it was working fine, then suddenly I received a message "The link has been blocked as per directions from Department of telecommunications blah blah blah" etc Is it possible my ISP is tracking my internet activity? I have always suspected them of spying on my internet, since the Airtel technicians ask me weird questions for eg: 'Do you upload using this software?'

 

[nRiTeCh]

This is democracy and everyone got right to express whether +ve or -ve.
If bjp can't do anything good they have to hear this and bear this Reality.
Its everyones mann ki baat.

 

[Ramadhir Singh]

Is it possible my ISP is tracking my internet activity?

Yes.

If the site is encrypted/https, they see only which site you visited. If unencrypted / plain http, the can track “everything”.

Here is a short video -

There are far too detailed information avilible online you can search.

 

[jith77]

UPA got the lower hanging fruit and left the far flung places for the next govt. If you watched the video, you'd have learnt they had to drop supplies by helicopter to some areas.

Besides why didn't the UPA finish the job if they could do so much in a quarter of the time. Because it would take a 1000 days and that would go beyond their term

It is an achievement because now it can be said the entire country is electrified. No ?


Every home is a harder target. Have to get a cable there first. Now there will be a demand explosion. What are the plans to meet that demand. We can't meet that demand until generation ramps up significantly across the board.

There are at least five ministries that fight with each other because of turf on the topic of power generation in the country. This was the case when Modi entered office. Has he managed to streamline any of this non sense or whether it will require another term


It's just one of several other initiatives that have to pay off come election time. It's focus is rural since rural for a long time was not economically feasible due to fcuked up politics. Forget rural things were so bad they couldn't even supply towns and cities with enough power.

Think of this more of a mindset thing then the nitty gritty. The country is electrified now move to complete the rest

So villages which never saw connection to grid till 2010 is low hanging fruit. And four years later, on 2014, the ones left over were tough nuts. How exactly does one buy such stuff.
Even if one buys that, what would one recon the percentage of low changing fruits are there in the fy10 18000 electrified villages . Less than 25%? And the ones in post 2014 escenario - 100%?

And about house hold electrification. I have already provided a link where electrification to every household has already been done in a state. Then why it is made to look like to be an impossible target. Atleast a great majority of the country can achieve that.

 

[blr_p]

So villages which never saw connection to grid till 2010 is low hanging fruit. And four years later, on 2014, the ones left over were tough nuts. How exactly does one buy such stuff.

Why did they stop after 2010 ? its obvious they went for the low hanging fruit.

Even if one buys that, what would one recon the percentage of low changing fruits are there in the fy10 18000 electrified villages . Less than 25%? And the ones in post 2014 escenario - 100%?

We are in 2018. The matter is closed now. This govt finished the job. All you need to know

Check out the govt links posted, they show where we stand right now

And about house hold electrification. I have already provided a link where electrification to every household has already been done in a state. Then why it is made to look like to be an impossible target. Atleast a great majority of the country can achieve that.

Getting the initial cable to far flung places that aren't economically viable. That is why. For a long time that was the situation. So people get nothing because the state is so inefficient that it isn't viable

Every house hold is another matter entirely for reasons explained in my previous post. China is currently constructing 37 nuclear power stations around the country. When are we going to start

 

[Arv90]

China is currently constructing 37 nuclear power stations around the country. When are we going to start

The present government has already built Pavagada Solar Park.

the park is planned to have a total capacity of 2,000 MW and will be the world's biggest solar farm.

Wondering when will Modi brag that he set up the plant.

 

[Futureized]

Content Networks fight in here..
@op Do we have direct government sources for sources posted ? (in writing)

 

[6pack]

I find it amusing people want to slam this as if its nothing. It was very difficult to do

Getting a power cable to a village when there is none before, how is that a fail ? Now that there is a connection this puts pressure on local govts to take it forward. No excuses. Power is a concurrent subject involving both state and centre

And all of these villages are in far flung places where it wasn't economically viable to do so. This PM felt it was a social obligation

Its not difficult if people in power use their non existent brain cells to think for a few minutes.

There are ready to deploy 1KV-10KV solar systems available which can be put up in days if money is given upfront. Those systems will reach every house hold. Its not necessary to dig poles all along the road and put high tension cables there.

All this power cable and distribution drama is just to give lucrative contracts to their local businessmen who prop up the ministers campaigns with funds. Nothing is economically unviable.

 

[adventureguy]

And all of these villages are in far flung places where it wasn't economically viable to do so. This PM felt it was a social obligation

Again with this worshiping. It is a government obligation. Thats why we pay taxes. If everything was done wrt economic viability, 90% of villages won't get roads/electricity/water. Please stop putting PM on a pedestal

 

[iPwnz]

How effective are dams? Anyone know for real?

 

[vivek.krishnan]

Nothing is economically unviable.

There is no point putting up towers and wires and etc - only to get it cut down due to Naxalites. or due to transmission losses. Or other reasons.[DOUBLEPOST=1525437278][/DOUBLEPOST]

Again with this worshiping. It is a government obligation. Thats why we pay taxes. If everything was done wrt economic viability, 90% of villages won't get roads/electricity/water. Please stop putting PM on a pedestal

+1. Where are our taxes going

 

[vivek.krishnan]

Its not difficult if people in power use their non existent brain cells to think for a few minutes..

Hmm. Is that a sarcastic take on the power issue

There are ready to deploy 1KV-10KV solar systems available which can be put up in days if money is given upfront. Those systems will reach every house hold. Its not necessary to dig poles all along the road and put high tension cables there.

Firstly, if they approach the corporator and they do a function to show due to his funds this has been done, they will approve it. They need publicity more than the latest item girl

 

[blr_p]

Again with this worshiping. It is a government obligation. Thats why we pay taxes. If everything was done wrt economic viability, 90% of villages won't get roads/electricity/water. Please stop putting PM on a pedestal

But you agree with the PM going by your comment

Earlier, economic viability was responsible for no connections because of the politics. As explained in the video. A politics that resulted in scarcity instead of abundance.

Worshiping is the wrong word. We don't worship a doctor who is competent or a cop that follows up. They are doing their job. But we acknowledge (optional) when they get the job done

 

[blr_p]

Its not difficult if people in power use their non existent brain cells to think for a few minutes.

How to supply the increased demand. This will be the open question now that the excuse of no connection isn't there.

There are ready to deploy 1KV-10KV solar systems available which can be put up in days if money is given upfront. Those systems will reach every house hold. Its not necessary to dig poles all along the road and put high tension cables there.

And what about the monsoons. Half a year the sky is overcast. What about at night or for higher power demand.

I'm waiting for the local discoms to offer credits for input into the system. Say if you have solar panels, can you add that to the system and get a credit for it. A discount on your bill. If tht optin opens up then people will see solar as an investment and everybody will want to get in on the act. Demand for panels goes up, maybe that means prices go up or supply meets demand and better and cheaper panels come out. Less brownouts eventually because hot days with lots of sun is when people want the AC on and it overloads the grid.

If they are really serious offer a discount on property tax as an incentive

All this power cable and distribution drama is just to give lucrative contracts to their local businessmen who prop up the ministers campaigns with funds. Nothing is economically unviable.

Not in far flung areas. Not economically viable means no return for the effort unless govt subsidises it. And it would take a pretty determined govt with the resources to do so as these will all be losing propositions in the early years. Cannot harp too loudly about this if you accept govt obligation

 

[blr_p]

The present government has already built Pavagada Solar Park.

Wondering when will Modi brag that he set up the plant.

Not Modi, Siddu. Thse panels are already featured in his campaign video

Though Modi will make claims for encouraging solar in India. He's already said as much abroad when asked what India was doing to cut down on emissions. his hands down answer was solar. Though it would be better if we had some indigenous advantage here instead of importing panels.

This is just lucky timing for him, the Chinese invested ten years back, the tech became available few years ago at competitive rates to put into these farms just as he entered office[DOUBLEPOST=1525440105][/DOUBLEPOST]

How effective are dams? Anyone know for real?

Smaller ones are better than mega ones. Mega are too expensive with huge cost overuns and massive environmental impacts. I think the era of the mega dam is over.

The Paks, Nepalis & Burmese have had to rethink loans for these projects. Won't be different for India particularly in Arunachal. Thing is the Chinese keep objecting to any devlopments there. Same with the Indus and the Paks. This also plays out in the country. If my state builds a dam on the Mandovi the Goans will object or on the Cauvery then its the Tammies. In 2004 Punjab passed an act in the state assembly to discontinue water sharing with J&K, Himachal, Delhi, Rajasthan & Himachal. Took ten years to reverse it at the centre. So building dams these days anywhere in the country is a difficult affair given all these factors.

Bhutan is doing well with them, many made with Indian loans. We've built one for the Afghans[DOUBLEPOST=1525441392][/DOUBLEPOST]

I have already provided a link where electrification to every household has already been done in a state. Then why it is made to look like to be an impossible target. Atleast a great majority of the country can achieve that.

More than one state going by this link have 100%

http://saubhagya.gov.in/dashboard/gsa

Kerela, TN, Andhra, Pondi, Maha, Gujarat, Madhya, Haryana, Himachal, Punjab & Chatisgarh.

Still only 10 out of 29(!)

 

[asingh]

As usual. Calling a coal a diamond, and being proud of it.

 

[NotMyRealName]

As usual. Calling a coal a diamond, and being proud of it.

Hey they're both basically carbon...

 

[iPwnz]

Say if you have solar panels, can you add that to the system and get a credit for it. A discount on your bill. If tht optin opens up then people will see solar as an investment and everybody will want to get in on the act. Demand for panels goes up, maybe that means prices go up or supply meets demand and better and cheaper panels come out. Less brownouts eventually because hot days with lots of sun is when people want the AC on and it overloads the grid.

I hope you meant good quality solar panels. Many of the solar products used by the people here are of low quality and I bet most of the them sold in India are crap. I'm not going to invest in cheap Chinese solar panels. I don't know about other cities or states but most of the panels bought by the govt. here for public usage stop working after a few weeks and months lol. Many of them just flicker before dying permanently.
Also anyone know about the solar panel trade ban on India by the U.S.? Also I read somewhere that Canada makes the best solar panels in the world. Which our govt. will never import

 

[blr_p]

I hope you meant good quality solar panels. Many of the solar products used by the people here are of low quality and I bet most of the them sold in India are crap. I'm not going to invest in cheap Chinese solar panels. I don't know about other cities or states but most of the panels bought by the govt. here for public usage stop working after a few weeks and months lol. Many of them just flicker before dying permanently.
Also anyone know about the solar panel trade ban on India by the U.S.? Also I read somewhere that Canada makes the best solar panels in the world. Which our govt. will never import

The question i want an answer to is when is the break even point ? good panels cost more so do i break even sooner or later. And we get cheaper panels here

When i was talking to a UPS sales guy, he was encouraging me to go for solar, the break even point is 6 years. And for this i'm out half a lakh on panels alone...

What is the life of these panels, i know nothing about them, i see hype but where are the recommends[DOUBLEPOST=1525474692][/DOUBLEPOST]

As usual. Calling a coal a diamond, and being proud of it.

we don't have a choice, scrubbers are cheaper than nuclear. We have a lot of coal.

 

[adventureguy]

But you agree with the PM going by your comment

Earlier, economic viability was responsible for no connections because of the politics. As explained in the video. A politics that resulted in scarcity instead of abundance.

Worshiping is the wrong word. We don't worship a doctor who is competent or a cop that follows up. They are doing their job. But we acknowledge (optional) when they get the job done

Parroting a govt obligation as done singlehandedly by PM as shown by PR I what I object