Budget 41-50k Home PC + ML config by next year

sunily

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1. What is your budget?
< 50K

2.What is your existing hardware configuration (component name - component brand and model)?
Dead/Old P4
3 X 500 GB HDD
DVD Writer
CM cabinet
Keyboard and Mouse

3.Which hardware will you be keeping (component name - component brand and model)?
HDD, DVD Writer, Cabinet, Keyboard and Mouse
Sometimes HDD generate tick tick noise, not sure if that is also going kaput or PSU (430W local) can't take load.

4.Which hardware component are you looking to buy (component name). If you have already decided on a configuration then please mention the (component brand and model) as well, this will help us in fine tuning your requirement.
CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 2600 or i5 9400F
Mobo - Asus prime B450M-A or Asus B365M-A
PSU - Coolar master MWE 550
RAM - Gskill Ripjaws 3000MHz 2x8GB
Monitor - LG24MP59G
GPU - Zotac Nvidia GT 1030 2GB DDR5

5.Is this going to be your final configuration or you would be adding/upgrading a component in near future. If yes then please mention when and which component ◦Yes, will upgrade the following within 6 months
- GPU - GTX 1660 4/6GB DDR5 or whatever good when I decide to upgrade
- SSD M.2 - 240 GB

6.Where will you buy this hardware? (Online/City/TE Dealer) ◦Mumbai
- Local stores / Nehru Palace

7.Would you consider buying a second hand hardware from the TE market?
Can buy GPU if get better deal

8.What is your intended use for this PC/hardware ◦Gaming
- Browsing
- Desktop Processing
- HTPC
- Watching HD movies
- Running machine learning programs as my daughter is studying about it and by next year she can write programs
- Games rarely

9.Do you have any brand preference or dislike? Please name them and the reason for your preference/dislike.
- Do not want to buy XYZ company product as I heard the after sales service in India is pathetic

10.If you will be playing games then which type of games will you be playing? ◦Strategy - Civilization 4
- Don't know game names yet

11.What is your preferred monitor resolution for gaming and normal usage
1.Gaming - 1280x720
2.Desktop - 1440x900

12.Are you looking to overclock? ◦Yes/No
No

13.Which operating system do you intend to use with this configuration?
◦Windows 10

If I have to buy a dedicated GPU then which is better Ryzen 2600 or i5 9400F? Both offer 6 cores but 2600 have 12 threads while 9400 have 6 threads only.
Earlier people here used to say that intel provide better performance per core.
But I saw couple of intel issues in my office datacenters about malware and attacks and its patches reduce its performance or require to disable multithreading.
Shop guy also recommended AMD.

Hence I am still confused about cpu selection. I would need this rig for long run (5+) years.
 
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Hi sunily,
From what I know GTX 1030 2GB is not a good card for machine learning. In general machine learning will benefit from as much GPU ram as possible, it is one of the reason why 1080ti and Titans are very popular in machine learning circles. As you kid is learning ML, I believe it would be a better option to look for at-least 8GB for starters. This card GTX 1660 4/6GB is not much of an upgrade, I would suggest you start with a 1070/1070Ti 8GB cards it will last you a long time instead of 1030 & moving to 1660. And when you upgrade you can aim for 11GB cards.

As far as RAM is concerned w.r.t ML, the slowest ram is still more faster than what is expected of it, so you can go for lesser speed ram and save some cost.
The same with CPU, though there will be some computations on CPU, almost all of it will be on the GPU, the CPU will just be feeding it data so high single thread performance, multiple core and all those things mattes not much.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
B.Life
 

sunily

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Hi sunily,
From what I know GTX 1030 2GB is not a good card for machine learning. In general machine learning will benefit from as much GPU ram as possible, it is one of the reason why 1080ti and Titans are very popular in machine learning circles. As you kid is learning ML, I believe it would be a better option to look for at-least 8GB for starters. This card GTX 1660 4/6GB is not much of an upgrade, I would suggest you start with a 1070/1070Ti 8GB cards it will last you a long time instead of 1030 & moving to 1660. And when you upgrade you can aim for 11GB cards.

As far as RAM is concerned w.r.t ML, the slowest ram is still more faster than what is expected of it, so you can go for lesser speed ram and save some cost.
The same with CPU, though there will be some computations on CPU, almost all of it will be on the GPU, the CPU will just be feeding it data so high single thread performance, multiple core and all those things mattes not much.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
B.Life
Thanks b.life for your inputs about GPU.

GPU 1070/1070ti itself is more than half of my budget, and not sure how much she will take interest in learning ML programming as she is in school (9th) and subjects change every year so don't want to invest in a GPU which is of no use other than browsing, watching movies etc. That's why wanted to start with GPU which is required for some basic stuff and if she have bandwidth next year or later then I replace it with new powerful GPU (1070 8GB). And since both 2600 and 9400f lacks GPU support I need one.

My confusion still remain there for CPU part, 2600 or 9400F.
 

b.life

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Hi sunily,
I am sorry, I thought your kid is learning ML as part of her profession or something related my mistake. That said I then believe your choice of graphics card is great, I believe 1660 here on the forum a bit cheaper not sure but its worth checking around.

Regarding the CPU, both of them will be offering similar performance in your use-case, I would suggest whichever is cheaper as a whole(CPU,MB,Cooler).

Regards
B.Life
 

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Sometimes HDD generate tick tick noise
Check with HDTunes for any bad sectors.

If I have to buy a dedicated GPU then which is better Ryzen 2600 or i5 9400F? Both offer 6 cores but 2600 have 12 threads while 9400 have 6 threads only.
Earlier people here used to say that intel provide better performance per core.
But I saw couple of intel issues in my office datacenters about malware and attacks and its patches reduce its performance or require to disable multithreading.
Shop guy also recommended AMD.
AMD is better choice at the moment. With Ryzen, AMD is cruising.

GPU - Zotac Nvidia GT 1030 2GB DDR5
I would suggest to look for used GPU for your purpose, as new one would cost about 6-6.5K. From money saved here, get a SSD now instead in future and may be better PSU.
 

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Zotac 1050 ti 4gb Mini is available around 6.3k in sale thread. Is that card good enough for beginning or wait for better deals?
 

sunily

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ok, I am contacting the seller for the deal. But does rest config look good?

CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 2600
Mobo - Asus prime B450M-A
PSU - Coolar master MWE 550
RAM - Gskill Ripjaws 3000MHz 2x8GB
Monitor - LG24MP59G
GPU - Zotac 1050 ti 4GB DDR5

Will that GPU fit in above mobo?
 

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Price difference isn't much between 2600 vs 3600 and there is a massive performance gain you would get with 3600. Agreed if we take ML out of the equation, even 2600 is overkill.
Go for better board. Asrock B450 Pro4 or Fata1aty B450 Gaming 4 or B450 TUF M PRO Gaming
Corsair CX450 - 450w is sufficient for 1660

PS: B450 may need BIOS update if you opt for Ryzen 3600
 

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You would be buying 1050 Ti brand new ?
No, resale from TE only.
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Price difference isn't much between 2600 vs 3600 and there is a massive performance gain you would get with 3600. Agreed if we take ML out of the equation, even 2600 is overkill.
Price difference is 4k just for CPU

Go for better board. Asrock B450 Pro4 or Fata1aty B450 Gaming 4 or B450 TUF M PRO Gaming
What benefit will I get if I go with these instead of Asus Prime B450M-A?

Corsair CX450 - 450w is sufficient for 1660
Is 450W sufficient for Ryzen 3600 + 1050ti + 4 SATA HDD + 2 USB HDD

PS: B450 may need BIOS update if you opt for Ryzen 3600
I was planning to buy parts and assemble myself. How easy is to do BIOS update? I never did it. From where I get lastest BIOS firmware? Vendor site?
 
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Price difference is 4k just for CPU
What benefit will I get if I go with these instead of Asus Prime B450M-A?
Is 450W sufficient for Ryzen 3600 + 1050ti + 4 SATA HDD + 2 USB HDD
I was planning to buy parts and assemble myself. How easy is to do BIOS update? I never did it. From where I get lastest BIOS firmware? Vendor site?
Yes, it's about 4k and you get ~30% more performance for that.
B450M-A is a cheapo board. It's okay for Athlon or non OC quad core. And price difference isn't much between Asrock Pro4 and this one.
Yes, 450w is good enough and it can handle upto 1660 which you intend to upgrade in the future if need be.
The box should have Ryzen 3000 ready sticker. If not, you ask the seller to update BIOS for you.
 

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CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 17000
Mobo - ASRock MicroATX Motherboard (B450M PRO4) - 9000
PSU - Coolar master MWE 450 - 2500
RAM - Gskill Ripjaws 3000MHz 2x8GB - 7000
Monitor - LG24MP59G - 10000
GPU - Zotac Nvidia GT 1030 2GB DDR5 (Resale) - 6300
Amount: ~ 52,000

Is that fine or any change required?

I already have 4 HDD, 1 DVD writer, Cabinet, Keyboard & Mouse, UPS.
 

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Mobo - ASRock MicroATX Motherboard (B450M PRO4) - 9000
PSU - Coolar master MWE 450 - 2500
It's B450 Pro4 - ATX version costs about 7k (B450M Pro4 is Micro ATX should cost about 6k) Go with ATX. Smaller board (Micro ATX) generally have less no. of ports. You already have 4+1 drives.
Instead go for Corsair CX450 Grey Label version, would cost about 3.5k.

PS: This is common for all B450 board. Even with board which has 6 SATA ports, 2 of them share lanes with M.2.
 
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It's B450 Pro4 - ATX version costs about 7k (B450M Pro4 is Micro ATX should cost about 6k) Go with ATX. Smaller board (Micro ATX) generally have less no. of ports.
ASRock ATX Motherboard (B450 PRO4) is showing 9500 on Amazon. Can be 9k if I look in local stores. Where do u see it in 7k?
 

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CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 3600 - 17000
Mobo - ASRock MicroATX Motherboard (B450M PRO4) - 9000
PSU - Coolar master MWE 450 - 2500
RAM - Gskill Ripjaws 3000MHz 2x8GB - 7000
Monitor - LG24MP59G - 10000
GPU - Zotac Nvidia GT 1030 2GB DDR5 (Resale) - 6300
Amount: ~ 52,000

Is that fine or any change required?

I already have 4 HDD, 1 DVD writer, Cabinet, Keyboard & Mouse, UPS.
Asrock b450 m pro4 ...9000/- ??? Some one is cheating you
The atx board ia 6900/- and m.atx was 5800-6200

Don't buy comp stuff from Amazon unless deal or cheaper.
Look at itdepot, primeabgb, mdcomputers, Vedant, golcha. Instead of 1030, i suggest you look for 570/580 GFX card.
 
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sunily

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Asrock b450 m pro4 ...9000/- ??? Some one is cheating you
The atx board ia 6900/- and m.atx was 5800-6200

Don't buy comp stuff from Amazon unless deal or cheaper.
Look at itdepot, primeabgb, mdcomputers, Vedant, golcha. Instead of 1030, i suggest you look for 570/580 GFX card.
Now I m confused to go with 1050 ti or look after 570. Which is better among them


570 costs about 12-13k, double than 1050ti resale card.
 

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Now I m confused to go with 1050 ti or look after 570. Which is better among them


570 costs about 12-13k, double than 1050ti resale card.
Buy 570 resale card na. Some one was selling it for 7k here and 580 also you can look, some listed at 12k, maybe you can get little cheaper.