India withdraws data protection and privacy bill

They took 3 or 5ish years to put it together and retract within hours.

I guess they understood the brobdingnagian size of a data gold mine they sitting on and decided to make hay for themselves and benefit some companies in the process.
 
They took 3 or 5ish years to put it together and retract within hours.

I guess they understood the brobdingnagian size of a data gold mine they sitting on and decided to make hay for themselves and benefit some companies in the process.
Wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of ping-pong involved in the government wanting backdoor access to the data, like they did with the VPN companies. The bill might generally end up being bad for business but then it is currently the wild-wild west for data collectors in India. It is not as if these bills are being driven be idealism, that the EU somewhat attempts at doing.
 
India should simply just copy paste the digital laws of EU instead of reinventing the wheel.
It started with that but then it kept on being diluted. The scope of data is much larger than GDPR and specifying jail terms for executives in the bill itself makes it a no-go for private companies. On top of that government agencies are exempted, so they can keep abusing data as much as they want and the government itself can request private data, which again can be abused.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...

 
Off-topic: DJI shared the positions of Ukrainian soldiers using their drone with China, who turned it to Russia. (this is now often rejected/debated)

Xiaomi, Vivo, and others can do the same with our defense forces too. Do we have anything in place to prevent this type of data sharing?
 
Off-topic: DJI shared the positions of Ukrainian soldiers using their drone with China, who turned it to Russia. (this is now often rejected/debated)

Xiaomi, Vivo, and others can do the same with our defense forces too. Do we have anything in place to prevent this type of data sharing?
If govt arranges some hackathon and someone puts up this scenario, then maybe* there might be some action.








* Take it with a grain of salt.
 
Wouldn't be surprised if there was a bit of ping-pong involved in the government wanting backdoor access to the data, like they did with the VPN companies. The bill might generally end up being bad for business but then it is currently the wild-wild west for data collectors in India. It is not as if these bills are being driven be idealism, that the EU somewhat attempts at doing.
What did they do with VPN companies ? Seems missed this ?
India should simply just copy paste the digital laws of EU instead of reinventing the wheel.
I dont this shall ever happen in India.. EU laws are way too strict for this media moguls..
Google till day has paid most claims/settlements in EU..
 
If govt arranges some hackathon and someone puts up this scenario, then maybe* there might be some action.








* Take it with a grain of salt.
Those phones don’t transmit data directly to CCP servers. They sit within India which has mirrors/data centers with neutral countries or regions like Singapore or HK and finally mainland. Data probably hops a couple of countries before reaching its destination.

I remember Paytm did something similar before they were caught.

Some of the older Xiaomi phones that came with bloatware(like Mi Cloud)which made direct api calls to servers where CCP had access. A fiddler trace can help in exposing such apps.
 
Off-topic: DJI shared the positions of Ukrainian soldiers using their drone with China, who turned it to Russia. (this is now often rejected/debated)

Xiaomi, Vivo, and others can do the same with our defense forces too. Do we have anything in place to prevent this type of data sharing?
Afaik security personnel while on deployment use custom phones with custom software not belonging to any particular brand. So only the govt would know their activities, not anyone else.
 
Those phones don’t transmit data directly to CCP servers. They sit within India which has mirrors/data centers with neutral countries or regions like Singapore or HK and finally mainland. Data probably hops a couple of countries before reaching its destination.

I remember Paytm did something similar before they were caught.

Some of the older Xiaomi phones that came with bloatware(like Mi Cloud)which made direct api calls to servers where CCP had access. A fiddler trace can help in exposing such apps.

There is unfortunately no exception to any of the Chinese companies because otherwise the CCP will not allow the company to exist. If it is not facilitating the CCP data empire, then it is about illegally diverting money to the CCP.

The crackdown on the Chinese companies should have happened earlier but then people need to take a call at not facilitating it, which unfortunately is difficult due to the VFM proposition from the Chinese companies which is far too appealing to most.

 
Some of the older Xiaomi phones that came with bloatware(like Mi Cloud)which made direct api calls to servers where CCP had access. A fiddler trace can help in exposing such apps.
Mi cloud is still here. It's a crucial part like Apple Cloud or Google gmail.

Easiest option would be asking govt personals from using chinese mobiles, other smart devices. And many other digital services like paytm, practo etc. Tons of digital services in India today wouldn't have existed without chinese money. You would be amazed to find how many big services got at least one major chinese funder.

Ask any guy who has ever done mobile app, backend development. That privacy boat has long sailed.

India has failed to create comfortable environment for private companies. There's a large chinese corporate exodus going on. But India isn't gaining anything from it. All are queueing up to Indonesia and Vietnam. After a lot of requests from India to setup a tesla factory, Elon chose Indonesia over India. Either he can't read English or he's seeing things we can't see.
 
Mi cloud is still here. It's a crucial part like Apple Cloud or Google gmail.

Easiest option would be asking govt personals from using chinese mobiles, other smart devices. And many other digital services like paytm, practo etc. Tons of digital services in India today wouldn't have existed without chinese money. You would be amazed to find how many big services got at least one major chinese funder.

Ask any guy who has ever done mobile app, backend development. That privacy boat has long sailed.

India has failed to create comfortable environment for private companies. There's a large chinese corporate exodus going on. But India isn't gaining anything from it. All are queueing up to Indonesia and Vietnam. After a lot of requests from India to setup a tesla factory, Elon chose Indonesia over India. Either he can't read English or he's seeing things we can't see.
The Chinese companies can operate if they obey the rule of the land, but they have repeatedly shown that their allegiance is to the CCP. Even when the regulations were in place like the FEMA guidelines, they managed to bypass it and a data security law will also not be obeyed.

When they get a whiff of being investigated, the Chinese personnel run away and the Indian appointees are left to face the law. Irrespective of how the Chinese companies changed the landscape in India, it doesn't seem worth it from the nation's perspective.

The Tesla decision would just be about red tape and government incentives. It has happened in the past where companies benefited fully from government incentives to make profits and then simply abandoned the workforce when things became rough. Wouldn't read too much into that. They didn't have a good time in Germany despte the incentives, so they will keep looking for the next scapegoat which unfortunately will always be available in the Asian countries.
 
The Chinese companies can operate if they obey the rule of the land, but they have repeatedly shown that their allegiance is to the CCP. Even when the regulations were in place like the FEMA guidelines, they managed to bypass it and a data security law will also not be obeyed.
My point was, everyone is stealing our data. It's not just Chinese. Also it's not true that if everyone stops using chinese phones, the CCP wouldn't get our data. They can get our data from other means just as easily. We can put a stop to the data harvesting only if we all go back to typewriters. There's no other way.

In today's world anyone with means and money can get our data. The world is too interconnected.
 
My point was, everyone is stealing our data. It's not just Chinese. Also it's not true that if everyone stops using chinese phones, the CCP wouldn't get our data. They can get our data from other means just as easily. We can put a stop to the data harvesting only if we all go back to typewriters. There's no other way.

In today's world anyone with means and money can get our data. The world is too interconnected.
Indeed and that is why you need protections in place. The reference to CCP is mainly because this is a state government actively forcing its companies to comply or cease to exist and is thus much larger in scale. The Chinese apps did much worse and in that sense the ban on them is justified.

Also, it is not just any data, but personal data. Apps and phones having access to messages, photos and 24/7 location is a step too far as opposed to tracking app usage.
 
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