India-Pakistan current war like situation discussion (Pahalgham)

[psyph3r]

something serious is going on but cant expect US to give any info on this

This is just building on the wild speculation propagated without any fact checking by retired whatsapp uncles after yesterday's earthquake.
The epicenter of that quake wasn't even in Pakistan and it was at a depth of 10km which is impossible to drill.

Now this plane it seems has been sold to the Pakis almost 14 years ago.

N111SZ - United States Department of Energy (Be 350 Super King Air)

Detailed information about N111SZ, a Be 350 Super King Air operated by United States Department of Energy. Check out history, photos, and more on PlaneLogger.

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[TEUser2K1]

Now this plane has been sold to the Pakis almost 14 years ago.

Question rises why USA's DoE have to sell such kind of a specific plane to Pak...! They won't be that short of monies...

 

[psyph3r]

Question rises why USA's DoE have to sell such kind of a specific plane to Pak...! They won't be that short of monies...

It was already 20 years old when it changed ownership, might've been donated.

 

[TEUser2K1]

It was already 20 years old when it changed ownership, might've been donated.

One can intuitively doubt why such planes be donated, for what cause. Only saying because that plane may be used for some special purpose, just a naive doubt.

 

[blr_p]

We hit their nuke storage area a few hours after it was reported that pak pm meet the strategic command force their nuclear force.

Don't think anything else will spook the USA

General Iyer disagrees and this is a man with battlefield experience.

Calls it far fetched which is a polite way of saying dead bloody wrong. Too much is being made of this on social media because of the proximity but that was definitely not our intent and is the last thing we would do as a responsible nuclear power. The Paks would be under even more pressure to convince the world on this point.

Listen to his reply

I agree with him. We do have an agreement with the Paks not to target each other's nuclear sites because this is the quickest way to ensure a 'use them or lose them' scenario.

That's what he means by holocaust.

No info of this intercept was shared in todays briefing I believe. I doubt they would purposely omit it given its seriousness. So the whole event seems doubtful.

Listen to what the General says above. Like me, he's impressed the Barak intercepted the Fateh. So it did happen. The briefings can't include every single detail.

 

[ashish]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921138569055240288

This should be circulated across the nation and let our janata know how they fake it and we believe them.

why didn't they release the info on how many jets they hit? It's understandable they are reluctant to admit the number of jets we lost if any. But the number of their jets we hit -- that is not going to be a secret to the enemy. They know. The enemy also knows. So why not tell the public? Even if the debris is not on our side of the border, they can at least tell us how many, since they already said we did hit some.

Insecurity! Imagine if media broke news that our 5 jets got hit, imagine the panic and depression, high bp low bp the public will go through. In short panic and fear situation everywhere. Its a common sense that if you have 10 jets and 4 aare hit so obviously you have only 6 left not 8 or 9.5. Nor this is ever released to the nation nor to the enemy or to the world. They expect others to play the solve the puzzle game.

If it’s an F16, which most likely is, US will not be very happy about it. We don’t want to upset US, for sure, in such a situation.

It's not like we invited USA to give those F16s to our enemy. Since they did and now they are flying against us, do we think USA expects us to just give up fighting them? Bullsh*t! If that's the reason, I would lose all respect for this govt. But I don't think that's a probable reason.

US is an aaasshole. The next time chutiiya trump will even ring modi and ask him to take all the shots from F16 on his chest which pak is flying as its our jet it should be left untouched.

The pakis have won in their perception and we in ours, putting out numbers at this point of time won't help with calming down the public sentiment on either side and defuse the situation.
Going by today's press conference though, it does seem like we've lost some aircraft.

In a war losses are always on the both sides be it low or high. We were now playing a game with cheats and trainer for not getting hit right?

"We are in a combat scenario, and losses are part of combat. As for the details – what could have been lost, how many platforms – if I comment on anything, it will only benefit the adversary."

IF you have those definite figures then why not spill the beans albeit mentioning the sources.

It not us that the US will be upset at.

Those F16s are meant for counter terror operations and not offensive operations against India. A point that most Indians seem to forget

In that way IMF money is for a nations development and not for funding violence, crime and terrorism.
Lots of nations out there support pak and I think even imf somewhere backs pak hence they again funded them even after knowing the past history and the present outcomes. Sheer shame that such corrupt global level org exists for all wrong reasons.

We don't have to say anything because the Paks are already in the soup about it

Really? Yet US will back pak hence it doesn't matter if pak is in soup or in a drain full of turd! As only a garbage nation will buy some cheap or garbage tech.

 

[blr_p]

Really? Yet US will back pak hence it doesn't matter if pak is in soup or in a drain full of turd! As only a garbage nation will buy some cheap or garbage tech.

Do you know the last time or year the US gave them F16's? As in allowed them to acquire F16s

The point isn't about maintaining but whether they can get any more. That's what happens if you don't comply and is the main reason we should avoid this sort of hardware from the US.

 

[ashish]

As mentioned in above post, if NNSA Beach King is roaming around, something is cooking.

Some say some nuclear radiation is leaking some say some and so on. Nothing's concrete nor such leaks are going to be elaked anytime soon. Such things are best kept secret for ahem reasons.

There is no friends for India because we never showed we are worth taken side of.

Because we have always shown ourselves as self-sufficient and we expect a call from others when in reality its our need of the hour to pick up and dial a friend!

we have to make some serious attempts now.

We did made and left it halfway. Our over confidence came into play and theirs no denial. We could have made the best out of it aka even more penetration and damages. Nope I'm not speaking of nukes here but even more damage to their infrastructures.

This is just building on the wild speculation propagated without any fact checking by retired whatsapp uncles after yesterday's earthquake.
The epicenter of that quake wasn't even in Pakistan and it was at a depth of 10km which is impossible to drill.

Now this plane it seems has been sold to the Pakis almost 14 years ago.

N111SZ - United States Department of Energy (Be 350 Super King Air)

Detailed information about N111SZ, a Be 350 Super King Air operated by United States Department of Energy. Check out history, photos, and more on PlaneLogger.

www.planelogger.com

I wish there should be such a massive earthquake that our work shall get done by the nature itself.

 

[psyph3r]

Seems like they had a press conference too claiming it's 6-0 now.

 

[ashish]

I agree with him. We do have an agreement with the Paks not to target each other's nuclear sites because this is the quickest way to ensure a 'use them or lose them' scenario.

Even if god comes down and pak does an agreement, even God won't be 100% confident if pak will stay true to that agreement and definitely not with India for sure as they want to kill us by hook or crook as they have nothing to lose. NO dignity, no positive image, nothing to contribute, nothing good about that cursed nationSO why the hell will pak even bother about some paper?

 

[blr_p]

This is just building on the wild speculation propagated without any fact checking by retired whatsapp uncles after yesterday's earthquake.
The epicenter of that quake wasn't even in Pakistan and it was at a depth of 10km which is impossible to drill.

The Paks wouldn't conduct an underground test in the middle of a conflict to deter.

They would make a show of it in front of the world by detonating a tactical nuke on their territory in the open to show the world. And then depend on pressure from world leaders to get us to relent.

Because we would not.

Even if god comes down and pak does an agreement, even God won't be 100% confident if pak will stay true to that agreement and definitely not with India for sure as they want to kill us by hook or crook as they have nothing to lose. NO dignity, no positive image, nothing to contribute, nothing good about that cursed nationSO why the hell will pak even bother about some paper?

That is fine but they won't be doing it very effectively with F16's which is the point you seem to have missed

None

This isn't something we can hide especially if we lost a pilot

And I think I heard earlier one of the airforce people saying all jets returned without any loss

He meant we lost no pilots.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/all-our-pilots-are-back-home-air-marshal-bharti-13020332.html

Platforms is another matter

 

[adder]

Seems like they had a press conference too claiming it's 6-0 now.

I heard that they also claimed that they had drones above delhi.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921624155302047807

Body language

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921096230702096749

 

[ajeetone]

The average American/European don't give a **** about us and most probably don't even know about us aside from vague recollections, stop believing in online echo chambers, your average "leftist"/"democratic" news channels have always been biased against us. it's nothing new, so why bother giving them any atattention.

Oh wow, I must’ve missed the memo—so many right-wingers have apparently died from excessive chest-thumping ever since Modi single-handedly made India the center of the universe, boosted our 'visa power' to god-tier status, and turned the USA into our biggest fan club. Incredible stuff, truly.

Sorry for OT

 

[altair21]

Oh wow, I must’ve missed the memo—so many right-wingers have apparently died from excessive chest-thumping ever since Modi single-handedly made India the center of the universe, boosted our 'visa power' to god-tier status, and turned the USA into our biggest fan club. Incredible stuff, truly.

Sorry for OT

not sure what you are on but I want me some of that

 

[blr_p]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1921521101248610454

Last para is important

It is entirely possible for a major kinetic conflict to resurface in the coming months. Pakistan is unlikely to change its behavior. Its jihadi-military establishment is on the hunt for visuals of mass casualties, destroyed homes, wailing women and children, or at the minimum, clear destruction of Indian military facilities. They will likely go up the escalation ladder, starting with small scale terror attacks to probe India’s response, leading up to a major incident. Preemptive measures might have to be taken. The abruptly agreed “understanding” between the two sides can bottle up a crisis only for so long.

If true we will be revisiting this thread in the not too distant future.

Thing is I'm sure I heard General Iyer say nothing from them for at least 24 months

 

[ibose]

If true we will be revisiting this thread in the not too distant future.

Oh yes, we will have this and countless more threads like this. And that is the problem, right there.

 

[blr_p]

Oh yes, we will have this and countless more threads like this. And that is the problem, right there.

You're still thinking something along the lines of permanent fix and this fix being delivered militarily. That won't erode their publics trust in their military. It strengthens it. The very opposite of what we want to achieve.

 

[ibose]

You're still thinking something along the lines of permanent fix and this fix being delivered militarily. That won't erode their publics trust in their military. It strengthens it. The very opposite of what we want to achieve.

Well how many of our lives need to be sacrificed before their public sees the other way ?

 

[blr_p]

Well how many of our lives need to be sacrificed before their public sees the other way ?

We will be mowing the lawn for some more time. You need to get that

It's only when their public loses trust that their military can protect them that internal change will happen.

I think we're off to a good start if May 7 and our subsequent actions are anything to go with.

Internal fissures will grow. The prediction is they will lose KP first in around 12 months to Afghanistan. If their military cannot prevent that it will be a blow. Balochistan could be next or even POJK. Though I'd prefer it be the former. When the people of POJK are interested in returning only then can we consider reintegration.

 

[ibose]

We will be mowing the lawn for some more time. You need to get that

It's only when their public loses trust that their military can protect them that internal change will happen.

I think we're off to a good start if May 7 and our subsequent actions are anything to go with.

Internal fissures will grow. The prediction is they will lose KP first in around 12 months to Afghanistan. If their military cannot prevent that it will be a blow. Balochistan could be next or even POJK. Though I'd prefer it be the former. When the people of POJK are interested in returning only then can we consider reintegration.

Ok, so we will lose lives but we don't know how many. So my next question -
So till what year, we will need to make the sacrifices ? 2026 ? 2027 ? If you tell me that we don't know then that is a bigger problem.

PS : I find it inexplicable that their public will ever lose trust in their army and even more inexplicable that our people believe that will happen. It is militarily ruled country and will always remain one. When will we ever realise that their military and the terrorists are one and the same. They will never stop.