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I honestly don't know about the lumen ratings man. But the first ₹500 one was decent enough for my use. Only wish the range was longer and it has three levels of brightness.

You mean you want a longer throw.

How far would you say it reaches presently? Light should be 10% of what it is. That's how they measure it.

and how much further do you want it

The battery also doesn't last long.

That's why you need lithiums

No idea about the Shadowhawk walla. The video reviews seem to be favorable. The design of the two torches really look alike and the functionality too so I thought they both might be rebrands. But the Shadowhawk one costs 3x so I thought it would be much better than the Flipkart one.

Why don't you look for a proper torch?

 

[iPwnz]

Both these torches are cheap junk.

If ₹2000 is cheap then I don't know what to say haha
Is there really no other choice? The product you linked costs 5k man w t f.

You mean you want a longer throw.

How far would you say it reaches presently? Light should be 10% of what it is. That's how they measure it.

and how much further do you want it

That's why you need lithiums

Why don't you look for a proper torch?

Longer range the better obviously. Some of these torches claim a range of over 1000m which is ridiculous but pleasing to hear nevertheless.
I don't care much about the size if it excels in battery life. The one which I'm using is 18" long and 4" wide.
The one you linked doesn't seem bad but the price is insane for such a small torch.
Basically I want a torch which can last me a few hours at max brightness but need to be rechargeable, with either the inbuilt stock battery or AA battery or both. I just want to make use of the AA rechargeable battery. Sounds good to have both kinds of battery for extra life.
If not I can just buy a similar one like the one available on Flipkart.

 

[nRiTeCh]

But many ppl often got those AA/AAA 10 cell pack for 49/99 rupees in flash deals which for a typical person is more than enough to last a year or two.

In my case it exhausts too soon so i prefer rc batteries. I do have handy 3-4 AA/AAA batteries for those just in case scenarios.

 

[unni]

While we are on the topic of battery, is there any good high lumen torch which can utilise it? Rechargeable battery in them would be so good.

I want something like this torch here. My friend has it and the brightness is really good even though the battery lasts only a few hours at full brightness.

https://www.flipkart.com/mz-m986-car-emergency-light-3-modes-hammer-seatbelt-cutter-zoomable-torch/p/itm30527d8226dc4

Also I'm not sure if it's the same but there's also one Shadowhawk model which I really like but price is out of budget (costs ₹2k)

https://amzn.in/d/c3z7U9N

The devices you mentioned don't need rechargeable battery. You can simply replace them cheaply. Eveready will also do.

I am also in the market for good high lumen torch that is not expensive. Today, I found out that Philips has several models, offering upto 2500 lumens brightness. YouTube reviews indicate that these are good. Some of them offer up to 800 metre range!

This website lists all the Philips models: https://philipsflashlights.in/. This does not look like an official Philips site, don't know if fake. There is a site from middle east that looks exactly like this: https://philipsflashlights.com/. The contact us link points to an address in Kerala, with just one Google review. I mentioned the site here because its easy to see all the flashlight models in this site.

ShadowHawk claims 10000/20000 lumens. But that is most likely fake. This video compares a Philips 1450 lumen model with a ShadowHawk 10000 lumens one, and concludes the Philips one is brighter.

 

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I am also in the market for good high lumen torch that is not expensive.

No such thing. So decide what your requirements are and build your budget.

Today, I found out that Philips has several models, offering upto 2500 lumens brightness. YouTube reviews indicate that these are good. Some of them offer up to 800 metre range!

You need to temper your expectations here. I see people complaining the torch at max won't last more than 15 minutes. That it reduces brightness. Yeah because the led gets hot as in very hot. Gets uncomfortable to hold and longevity of the unit as a whole will get affected without cooling or turning the brightness down. The other factor is your ambient temperature. If that's 40°C instead of less that will affect brightness too.

Let me show you a torch that has a decent runtime. How much it costs. What the manufacturer says and what it really puts out.

Price

Review

Weight is around 150gm with battery


3h45 on high at 1,200 lumens reaching 200m

What it really puts out?



High doesn't last long. Within 5 minutes it drops to 700 lumens and after 40 minutes drops to 500 lumens at room temperature.




If you cool it with a fan it holds the brightness longer but that is not practical.

This torch with a 4,000 mah battery will last 3.5h but with an output of around 500 lumens.

So you can see how the brightness curve is like in real life

The part that matters is it holds at that brightness for 3.5h. Is that bright enough? Long enough? Far enough? Those are the parameters you need to figure out

How bright for long is down to how big the battery is. This one is a 21700 cell of 4,100 mah. Cells are available. Lasts longer than the more common 18650

This torch is around five years old but can deliver decent output for enough time.

Check out another from the same era model that is well reviewed

Price

Review

Weight is 244gm with battery

Fenix makes it easier to see what you get as they provide performance graphs which Nitecore does not

What they state



What you get



You can compare the graphs with the review. But you can see the performance is better. Fenix manages to pack 5,000mah into their 2100 cells. Also the throw is 300m for brighter.

In reality, halve the distance to 150m and it will look like it's illuminated with a car light.

This website lists all the Philips models: https://philipsflashlights.in/. This does not look like an official Philips site, don't know if fake. There is a site from middle east that looks exactly like this: https://philipsflashlights.com/. The contact us link points to an address in Kerala, with just one Google review. I mentioned the site here because its easy to see all the flashlight models in this site.

ShadowHawk claims 10000/20000 lumens. But that is most likely fake. This video compares a Philips 1450 lumen model with a ShadowHawk 10000 lumens one, and concludes the Philips one is brighter.

I suspect these Philips are rebrands. Without proper reviews it's hard to gauge how long, how far & how bright. Whether it is worth the price or not. How durable, how efficient the circuits are which effects temperature and hold time. All this goes into the price.

You get what you pay for. You want something to play with and not serious get these otherwise see above

The reviews I see only show the first few minutes at max brightness. Well as you can see from the reviews above that brightness doesn't last long and brightness drops. How fast and to what none of these reviewers will tell you

Philips Aircraft Aluminium Alloy 24.5cms Zoom LED Rechargeable Flashlight / Torch – 2000Lumens, 680m Range, 4500mAh SFL5101/56 - Buy Philips Flashlights | PHILIPS® Flashlights India - Official Site

Philips LED Flashlight SFL5101/56 – Power, Precision, and Durability Experience unmatched lighting performance with the Philips LED Flashlight SFL5101/56. Designed for those who demand excellence, this flashlight combines innovative features, robust durability, and tactical versatility to ensure...

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Equivalent with battery

Weight is 504 gm (!)

2x heavier than Fenix and 3x heavier than Nitecore

How long you plan to hold this ?

 

[AK3D]

None of these flashlights (the cheaper ones) are going to deliver 2000+ Lumens.
Also, none of them (Most flashlights, not the ultra high end ones) will sustain full brightness - they will step down from 100% to 30-40% due to heat.

An SBT 90.2 based Flashlight might do ~5K lumens, and reach over 1.5 KMs, but it'll cost about $100-200 depending on the manufacturer, and when you factor in the batteries (21700 Molicel P45 x 3), that's an additional 3K.
As an example, A Convoy L21 with an SFT40 emitter reaches 1.2+ Kms at 100% but will drop down to 40% brightness in a few minutes.

IMO, 'distance' flashlights are very niche and tactical, and not very practical. For most purposes, a good light with a floody beam is the best way to go.

I've not heard of Shadow Hawk, but I'd not get any brand that says 10 or 20000 lumens.
Warsun is a good-ish brand, with FET drivers (i.e the light will get dimmer as the cell's voltage runs out), but most of their batteries aren't replaceable.

High end brands easily available here are Fenix, Nitecore, Jetbeam among others. Yes, they're expensive, but they'll sustain ~600-800 lumens after dropdown (depending on the emitter).

For a GOOD flashlight, from time to time, Wurkkos has a sale on their website where you can get a flashlight like the WK03 with an SST40 emitter with an 18650 battery for $10 (and they do charge $5 shipping). You might get hit with customs, so there's that.

 

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ShadowHawk claims 10000/20000 lumens. But that is most likely fake. This video compares a Philips 1450 lumen model with a ShadowHawk 10000 lumens one, and concludes the Philips one is brighter.

I think they are both similar in output. The difference is in the colour temperatures. The shadowhawk is a lower temperature, more neutral than the Phillips. Higher temperature or colder light travels further and looks brighter than warmer light. But reflects more in the rain than a warmer temperature which would penetrate further.

Also neutral renders better colours than colder light. Leaves, plants and trees look like the real thing instead of cheap imitations.

As an example, A Convoy L21 with an SFT40 emitter reaches 1.2+ Kms at 100% but will drop down to 40% brightness in a few minutes.

No way to get this unless you import and the reason is the margins are too thin to make it interesting for any seller here. Same goes for a lot of brands that are recommended in the west.

IMO, 'distance' flashlights are very niche and tactical, and not very practical. For most purposes, a good light with a floody beam is the best way to go.

Oh yes. I couldn't make up my mind with Thrunite so I got the floody T1 and the more throwy T1S. The reason I went with these is the UI was excellent. Easy shortcuts to max & min which are absent on Fenix making you gave to cycle through all the brightness levels to get to max say. And I've never had a torch with variable brightness like the T1.

Something else people are getting hung up on is brightness. You don't need all those lumens. A torch with lower max lumens is likely to have a better runtime at a decent brightness than one with higher lumens but stabilises at a less brighter level

High end brands easily available here are Fenix, Nitecore, Jetbeam among others. Yes, they're expensive, but they'll sustain ~600-800 lumens after dropdown (depending on the emitter).

These are hardly recommended anymore on western boards because of cheaper alternatives but I see them as good enough to be family heirlooms you can pass on

For a GOOD flashlight, from time to time, Wurkkos has a sale on their website where you can get a flashlight like the WK03 with an SST40 emitter with an 18650 battery for $10 (and they do charge $5 shipping). You might get hit with customs, so there's that.

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Not available for reasons mentioned above.

Guess I got lucky

 

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Guess I got lucky
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From where?

They were available earlier

 

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From where?

They were available earlier

Not available here.
Someone brought the L21 with XHP70.3HI - does 6K lumens with a dropdown in 2 mins to 40%. It's a throw/flood combo.
Ordered the Wurkkos from their site, got hit with 50-60% customs but was still cheap for what it is. Does 600 lumens on high without issues for 2 hours. 300ish Lumens drop down to 200 for a 6 hour runtime on medium mode.

Your earlier comment about UIs is spot on. At least these have mode memory.

 

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Not available here.

Used to be

Convoy Flashlights

Convoy Flashlights

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No idea why they're still listed maybe so the search engines picks it up and then they let you discover their other more pricier stuff. Haven't been restocked in years

Someone brought the L21 with XHP70.3HI - does 6K lumens with a dropdown in 2 mins to 40%. It's a throw/flood combo.
Ordered the Wurkkos from their site, got hit with 50-60% customs but was still cheap for what it is. Does 600 lumens on high without issues for 2 hours. 300ish Lumens drop down to 200 for a 6 hour runtime on medium mode.

Bet these went for half the price of the Fenix & nitecores. Equivalent to what Philips is charging just 10x better.

Which is why you will never see them here

Your earlier comment about UIs is spot on. At least these have mode memory.

Forgot about that. Yes, it's little things like this that put people off and make them look elsewhere.

Don't know if Fenix has realised this or whether they even care

 

[AK3D]

No idea why they're still listed maybe so the search engines picks it up and then they show you their other stuff. Haven't been restocked in years

Those are pretty old models with the Cree XML T6/U2 LEDs. I have a couple of those with the XML2 from around 2017. The 7135x8 driver is a giveaway.
To be fair, one of my most reached for lights is the older Convoy S2+ with the 3 modes, even now. It's bright enough even after all these years.

The newer LEDs are pretty bright though. The green S21E in the picture has an XHP50.3HI and it is a very good EDC.

Speaking of Fenix, I saw Lightorati selling 8yo models for 6-8K. Not worth it IMO.

 

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which rechargeable batteries are best or say most popular with high capacity for both aa and aaa size along with charger ?

 

[iPwnz]

Ok I might have gotten a little too excited about the unrealistic claims and admittedly don't know much about the lumens.
Let me rephrase my requirements, I need the torch to last me minimum 2 hrs at medium. 3 hrs will be optimal. The range has to be as long as possible as I live in a village area which doesn't get regular electricity. 200m range at full power with 3 hrs if possible would be great.
Regarding the battery, with addition to the inbuilt battery I want it to also use 2x or 3x AA rechargeable battery for emergencies. Weight is no problem upto 500gm. I normally work with over 7kg load everyday.
Now comes the price. For obvious reasons I want to set a budget limit. I was willing to go upto 2k if the company's claims were true. Now I don't know if I'll even find any with such features in 2k. And like I said my friend got his for ₹500 and except for the battery life it's good. I assume the seller priced it at around 1.5x profit just cause...
So will there be any good one for my use?

The part that matters is it holds at that brightness for 3.5h. Is that bright enough? Long enough? Far enough? Those are the parameters you need to figure out

I suspect these Philips are rebrands.

Good points.
The Philips are just rebrands. They even use the same stock photos lmao.