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Rajk2 said:
What are the advantages of ATX 3.1 over 3.0.
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Not much. Minor improvements in efficiency and the 12VHPWR connector is improved with a new 12V-2x6 connector so that the GPU shuts off if the connection comes loose. There was this power connector melting issue with the RTX 4090 which is the reason behind this. I don't think you should face a issue with the 70 series GPU as long as the cable is plugged in correctly (that's why MSI has changed the color to yellow of this specific connector). But better to ask other members here first.
The connecting cable is the same. You can only tell the difference by the label on the connector. H++ is 12V-2x6 (ATX 3.1) and H+ is 12VHPWR (ATX 3.0).

Would love if anyone with more details about this ATX 3.1 vs ATX 3.0 mess can help clear things up. Seems like a shitshow because they had to change the specifications so quick after introducing ATX 3.0 lol.
 
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anony said:
Not much. Minor improvements in efficiency and the 12VHPWR connector is improved with a new 12V-2x6 connector so that the GPU shuts off if the connection comes loose. There was this power connector melting issue with the RTX 4090 which is the reason behind this. I don't think you should face a issue with the 70 series GPU as long as the cable is plugged in correctly (that's why MSI has changed the color to yellow of this specific connector). But better to ask other members here first.
The connecting cable is the same. You can only tell the difference by the label on the connector. H++ is 12V-2x6 (ATX 3.1) and H+ is 12VHPWR (ATX 3.0).

Would love if anyone with more details about this ATX 3.1 vs ATX 3.0 mess can help clear things up. Seems like a shitshow because they had to change the specifications so quick after introducing ATX 3.0 lol.
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On MSI website it shows ATX 3.1 for A750GL.. So picking either MSI or Deepcool is fine right depends on the availability...
 
Rajk2 said:
What are the advantages of ATX 3.1 over 3.0.
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I guess both support 3.1 then as mentioned by them it is just a little more efficient than 3.0.
Rajk2 said:
MSI b650m gaming wifi is ok ?
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It depends if you are looking to upgrade on the same AM5 platform later down the line which according to AMD will be supported at least till 2027, and you will be upgrading to a more powerful cpu like a 7900 and above then it will be worth spending more cause then you will be getting better VRMs, more pcie slots, more m.2 slots, more usb ports, more memory slots(4 vs 2). It only matters if you want those extra things or might want to use them in the future, if yes then get a better board. Good options for an upgrade are the Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX and the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X Ax V1/V2.
 
Kaching999 said:
I guess both support 3.1 then as mentioned by them it is just a little more efficient than 3.0.

It depends if you are looking to upgrade on the same AM5 platform later down the line which according to AMD will be supported at least till 2027, and you will be upgrading to a more powerful cpu like a 7900 and above then it will be worth spending more cause then you will be getting better VRMs, more pcie slots, more m.2 slots, more usb ports, more memory slots(4 vs 2). It only matters if you want those extra things or might want to use them in the future, if yes then get a better board. Good options for an upgrade are the Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX and the Gigabyte B650 Gaming X Ax V1/V2.
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Ryzen 7600 is 2 years old and still running.. I don't know may be upgrade after min 2 or 3 years. But there will be better boards at that time as well right.

If B650M Gaming wifi as no issues with stability running ryzen 7600 and newer GPUs like 9070 XT or 5070, then I'm ok..
 
PunkX 75 said:
Steer clear of these boards, when making your purchase:

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I think using a low power 7600 which doesn't cross the 65 watt mark really with any of these would a problem, the testing was done using a 7950x which uses upwards of 125 watts and can even reach 180 watts or higher on boost which is why most of the cheap boards can't be used with it.
 
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Kaching999 said:
I think using a low power 7600 which doesn't cross the 65 watt mark really with any of these would a problem, the testing was done using a 7950x which uses upwards of 125 watts and can even reach 180 watts or higher on boost which is why most of the cheap boards can't be used with it.
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Kaching999 said:
It depends if you are looking to upgrade on the same AM5 platform later down the line which according to AMD will be supported at least till 2027, and you will be upgrading to a more powerful cpu like a 7900 and above then it will be worth spending more cause then you will be getting better VRMs.
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Was factoring in a future upgrade for the OP.
 
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Kaching999 said:
I think using a low power 7600 which doesn't cross the 65 watt mark really with any of these would a problem, the testing was done using a 7950x which uses upwards of 125 watts and can even reach 180 watts or higher on boost which is why most of the cheap boards can't be used with it.
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The 7600 actually has a PPT of 88w and with boost can reach 100. So PBO would be throttled on those boards.
 
crytt said:
The 7600 actually has a PPT of 88w and with boost can reach 100. So PBO would be throttled on those boards.
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PBO doesn't really offer any benefit compared to the power increase at most you will see like a 5-10% increased performance in synthetic benchmarks.
 
Kaching999 said:
PBO doesn't really offer any benefit compared to the power increase at most you will see like a 5-10% increased performance in synthetic benchmarks.
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The 7000 series is amazing for undervolting and with PBO can run at higher clocks with less power consumed. But cheap vrms can't even handle that.
 
I bought Tier A (High End) PSU in 2019 which is Antec | Earthwatts [EA] Gold Pro [7y warranty] but this PSU went kaput within 5 years and am still waiting for RMA Approval from Primeabgb.
I now bought Tier B (Mid Range) PSu which is Cooler Master | MWE Bronze V2 full-range input [MPE-ACAAB] [5y warranty]. So need to see how many years this will last for me.

Check this Link for AM5 Mobos Spec Sheet :https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...hv8sPs/edit?pli=1&gid=454171143#gid=454171143
 
Bought the system with ryzen 5 7600 and b650m gaming wifi. And went with A750GL.
Took me some trouble with long boot like 2-3 min and blue screen issue after windows loaded and app crashes after changing RAM default frequency of 4800mhz to EXPo 6000mhz, using Gskil Trident z5 neo 6000mhz CL36 Dual channel.
When I googled it was with the MSI motherboards problem when used high frequency.
The bios version was JAN 2024, so quickly downloaded latest bios which is DEC, 2024 , version no 1.9v. Now the boot time is normal and no app crash or blue screen but noticed after bootup, tearing and flashing when MSI logo appeared, but I can reach windows.
Not sure if this again the RAM issue or did I not flashed bios correctly... I did it via mflash using usb from version 1.7 to version 1.9
 
Rajk2 said:
When I googled it was with the MSI motherboards problem when used high frequency.
The bios version was JAN 2024, so quickly downloaded latest bios which is DEC, 2024 , version no 1.9v. Now the boot time is normal and no app crash or blue screen but noticed after bootup, tearing and flashing when MSI logo appeared, but I can reach windows.
Not sure if this again the RAM issue or did I not flashed bios correctly... I did it via mflash using usb from version 1.7 to version 1.9
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I have the same kit of RAM, except it's CL30. When I bought my system in 2023 (7800X3D + MAG B650 Tomawawk), RAM stability was atrocious. I faced the same issues with EXPO enabled. All were ironed out, eventually. Now I have zero issues. Your BIOS flash was fine. As long as you can reach Windows and it works with no crashes, don't worry about it. You can increase the RAM voltage to 1.4v from 1.35, to add a bit more stability. I run at 1.35v, just fine.
 
PunkX 75 said:
I have the same kit of RAM, except it's CL30. When I bought my system in 2023 (7800X3D + MAG B650 Tomawawk), RAM stability was atrocious. I faced the same issues with EXPO enabled. All were ironed out, eventually. Now I have zero issues. Your BIOS flash was fine. As long as you can reach Windows and it works with no crashes, don't worry about it. You can increase the RAM voltage to 1.4v from 1.35, to add a bit more stability. I run at 1.35v, just fine.
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Now I'm not able to enter bios when pressing DEL key during bootup, the screen goes Black and not even enter windows, had to force restart or shutdown. This time I do not see MSI logo at start but able to load into windows..
Should I force enter into bios via windows reset option and change back to 4800mhz, but I don't want to, i paid for 6000mhz.
Did u faced any issues after changing to 1.4v? And is it safe to change voltage not causing damage to RAM. I never did that...
 
Rajk2 said:
Now I'm not able to enter bios when pressing DEL key during bootup, the screen goes Black and not even enter windows, had to force restart or shutdown. This time I do not see MSI logo at start but able to load into windows..
Should I force enter into bios via windows reset option and change back to 4800mhz, but I don't want to, i paid for 6000mhz.
Did u faced any issues after changing to 1.4v? And is it safe to change voltage not causing damage to RAM. I never did that...
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Look at this and the final reply:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?...he-bios-windows-boot-fine.347502/page-2#posts
 
Rajk2 said:
Now I'm not able to enter bios when pressing DEL key during bootup, the screen goes Black and not even enter windows, had to force restart or shutdown. This time I do not see MSI logo at start but able to load into windows..
Should I force enter into bios via windows reset option and change back to 4800mhz, but I don't want to, i paid for 6000mhz.
Did u faced any issues after changing to 1.4v? And is it safe to change voltage not causing damage to RAM. I never did that...
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You need to disable fast start up in bios or UEFI settings in Windows.
Just follow these steps from here:How to disable the fast boot option?
 
Kaching999 said:
Look at this and the final reply:
https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?...he-bios-windows-boot-fine.347502/page-2#posts
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Well I found the issue is with using DP port. I connected using HDMI cable, now I see MSI logo and can enter in BIOS.
So is it the motherboard DP or the Monitors that causing the issue?
Monitor is LG 24GS60F B, when using DP it shows default 180hz 10bit, cannot change it back to 8bit and with HDMi it's 180hz 8bit.. Anything to do with the 10bit causing the issue?
 
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