Delhi High Court Judge caught with Heaps of Cash in his home. Justice compromised?
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So that government has absolute power on your every minute of life? And private companies too.
I am on UPI but not on any "platform" like Gpay, PhonePe etc. They have created their interface such that it is not easy to transfer money to UPI member's that are not on those platforms. The private platforms are known to drop users for any slight, real or imaginary. The "real name policy" of Google+ resulted in people losing Gmail, maps, Google drive, YouTube (even their own channel).
Additionally, India is the country with by far the most government mandated internet shutdowns. In a riot/curfew like situation, where your life might depend on getting a gauze bandage, you are unlikely to be able to use internet to pay for it using gpay, phonepe etc.
honest1
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Cash discovery row brings into limelight NJAC which sought to replace collegium system
The current collegium system has often come under fire for lacking transparency by politicians and some eminent jurists, who contend that judges appointing judges without any say of the Executive has led to complaints of nepotism and favouritism.
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Buddy, we are in deomcracy and we have chosen "that" government!
If you dont like it, change it and if majority of people feel like the same, it will change!
On your point about Govt control, you cry when scams happen and then, when govt try to control it, you make noise about privacy!!
Also about internet shutdown during riots, so basically you think that since you need internet, let Govt keep internet on so that riots spreads more and more people die but you should be able to order bandage from Zepto !!
I mean what??? We are talking about riots, right ???
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alekhkhanna
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Everyone is MEGA CORRUPT.
I am sure you guys have heard about this founder who won cases in Singapore/US but running away from TN police due to corruption.
I am sure you guys have heard about this founder who won cases in Singapore/US but running away from TN police due to corruption.
The other option is that you can read my post to which you are replying. Your choice.
This is one of the best example of how miserably failed Indian judicial system is.
- Husband catches wife cheating with proof.
- Files divorce.
- Wife wants more money in alimony which she doesn't get.
- Wife files rape charges and domestic abuse on husband.
- Husband has to abscound.
Democracy is a cool thing to be proud of. There is no fairness in the system. It runs with power for power. The mind of the people of India is itself not capable of thinking what is right for their future. There is no alternative option that you can opt for. Even if, the british rules are not gonna change. the system and people in system will continue to harass, torture honest people.Cash discovery row brings into limelight NJAC which sought to replace collegium system
The current collegium system has often come under fire for lacking transparency by politicians and some eminent jurists, who contend that judges appointing judges without any say of the Executive has led to complaints of nepotism and favouritism.
Buddy, we are in deomcracy and we have chosen "that" government!
If you dont like it, change it and if majority of people feel like the same, it will change!
On your point about Govt control, you cry when scams happen and then, when govt try to control it, you make noise about privacy!!
Also about internet shutdown during riots, so basically you think that since you need internet, let Govt keep internet on so that riots spreads more and more people die but you should be able to order bandage from Zepto !!
I mean what??? We are talking about riots, right ???
We are used to this way of living. Selfish.
Why do riots happen in the first place?
If one is not fixing the core issue, things will remain like this and will get worst over time.
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I'll assume that you're looking for a factual debate and not just baseless arguments, so I'll break down your comment one by one and provide solutions/clarifications to your points of concern.
If you use bank accounts and pay tax, then the government already has more control and data of your financials than UPI could ever provide them.
As for private companies, just use a public UPI app if you're so concerned.
None of them make it hard to pay between members of other apps. All you need is their UPI ID (it can be on any app), and you can transact seamlessly and easily with anyone.
I've personally used almost all of those apps to send and receive money and never have I felt locked down to a single app, or that they made it any difficult.
UPI is Unified Payments Interface. It is just an interface that apps make use of.
As for your concern that private platforms can drop you anytime, well like I mentioned, there are dozens of apps. You are not limited to just one.
If someone drops you, just switch. UPI is linked to your bank accounts so it's not like you're leaving anything behind.
Or if you're so concerned, use BHIM. It's a public app made by the NPCI and is actually pretty good and has 0 ads.
And if even that is a concern, UPI now works over SMS as well.
SMS UPI is another feature you can make use of.
You're not locked down in any way, even during shutdowns.
I hope this provides some satisfactory answers to your queries.
And like I said in my initial post, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Cash is a means for many people that they will not like to give up, for many reasons (nefarious or otherwise).
But we should not let perfect be the enemy of good. Nothing would progress if we think this way.
And this is a good solution to a problem that is much more pressing, and if we stop seeing the world in absolutes, perhaps we can come to an agreement that ceasing cash could solve a major ease of doing business for corruption in India.
Just using UPI doesn't mean you give the government/companies "absolute power" over every minute of your life.
If you use bank accounts and pay tax, then the government already has more control and data of your financials than UPI could ever provide them.
As for private companies, just use a public UPI app if you're so concerned.
There are dozens of UPI apps, some private and some public. PhonePe, GPay, BHIM, Paytm, Cred are just a few examples (there are many more).
None of them make it hard to pay between members of other apps. All you need is their UPI ID (it can be on any app), and you can transact seamlessly and easily with anyone.
I've personally used almost all of those apps to send and receive money and never have I felt locked down to a single app, or that they made it any difficult.
UPI is Unified Payments Interface. It is just an interface that apps make use of.
As for your concern that private platforms can drop you anytime, well like I mentioned, there are dozens of apps. You are not limited to just one.
If someone drops you, just switch. UPI is linked to your bank accounts so it's not like you're leaving anything behind.
Or if you're so concerned, use BHIM. It's a public app made by the NPCI and is actually pretty good and has 0 ads.
And if even that is a concern, UPI now works over SMS as well.
UPI lite works without internet and is integrated in almost every UPI app.
SMS UPI is another feature you can make use of.
You're not locked down in any way, even during shutdowns.
I hope this provides some satisfactory answers to your queries.
And like I said in my initial post, I don't expect everyone to agree with me. Cash is a means for many people that they will not like to give up, for many reasons (nefarious or otherwise).
But we should not let perfect be the enemy of good. Nothing would progress if we think this way.
And this is a good solution to a problem that is much more pressing, and if we stop seeing the world in absolutes, perhaps we can come to an agreement that ceasing cash could solve a major ease of doing business for corruption in India.
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Using UPI is not the point, inability to use an alternative (e.g. cash) because of your hypothetical success in removing cash is.
Haha. Firstly I already addressed the point when describing how the interfaces of apps make it difficult to interact with people outside of the platform, even if it's on top of the UPI platform.
Secondly, I exclusively use the SMS UPI, and no merchant/auto driver has ever accepted the payment as valid. So I make the payment using SMS UPI to people who can check their bank account and the payment is not an urgent one, or they trust me to some extent already. From this statement, I know your knowledge of these things is extremely bookish, so I will stop.
Okay first, neither I nor you can actually make cash transactions illegal.
None of us have that power.
What we can do though is make people aware about the problem it could solve, so that discussions on such topics increase, which given enough concentration would result in enough hue and cry to make the ACTUAL people in power notice.
This is what I'm trying to do here.
Second, alternatives come and go everyday if they solve a major problem, even if there are some downsides.
It wasn't long ago that the share market was entirely paper based.
Look at it now.
Do I have to go through the downsides of a paper based share market to you or is it obvious enough?
There was enough compelling reason to do away with it, and we did.
It came with some growing pains, but now the current system is much faster, easier, and much less prone to the types of scams that were possible then.
And I already addressed in my reply to you that you are wrong.
Never have I faced an issue sending or receiving money from another person who is on a different app than me.
I use BHIM, and just this morning I did a transactions with someone on PhonePe and it was seamless.
They showed me their QR code, I scanned it and the payment was done.
I don't see where your difficulty is arising from.
So you've never used a UPI app?
I think this is where your apprehension is coming from.
I'd suggest using these apps before commenting on how they work in 2025.
It is not 2016 anymore. UPI IDs and QR codes are universal and work with all apps.
Why?
They can see in their UPI app that the transaction as been credited.
I just tried SMS UPI and I can see the transactions show up in the receiver's UPI app.
Isn't that how they check normal UPI transactions too?
I don't see what's different. Only the sending method changes, the receiving doesn't.
They don't need to check their bank account. They can check their UPI app to which their UPI ID is linked.
The transaction shows up there as well.
And I like how you conveniently ignored UPI Lite from my earlier comment and focused just on the SMS alternative.
UPI Lite works just like UPI and is offline as well.
What a hostile way to talk to someone who's conversing in good faith with you.
Is your ego so fragile that you couldn't have someone else counter your arguments with facts and had to resort to this to act like you're taking the high road?
Seriously?
And considering you thought that SMS UPI could just be checked via bank accounts, and haven't used any UPI app before saying that they don't work well with each other, I'd say it is YOUR knowledge of these things that is bookish, mate.
Do better.
Please learn to read.
At least there is a reason for my comments here.
What is yours, if you believe this conversation does not have a point?
Are you here just to provide baseless statements that are factually incorrect and you have no replies for when countered afterwards?
That is childish behavior tbh.
