alekhkhanna
Innovator
Adani group, an Evil corp?
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Guys, please stop posting Dhruv Rathee's videos. I am not even going to watch the above one. If this guy ever posts anything you are really knowledgeable about, you will know he is 99% facts and 1% spin. And that spin changes everything. Rathee is a pure genius at misdirection. I used to watch his videos too but realized later that he actually misdirects. The context will be set as per his objectives.
And honestly, I will not deep dissect the above video because it will take some time but would request someone to invest some time here.
Will add it to read list.It's a long topic. I can only give you a heads up
Check out a book called the 100yr Marathon by Mike Pilsbury
When the US does it gets repeated by the rest
They called it constructive engagement.
In the 70s when this madness began the Chinese economy was 10% the size of the US. What could possibly go wrong with such a policy?
Guess who the biggest collaborators are. Industry and wall street. The govt cannot control them and they want to make profits at any cost. It's insane.
Again . Industries and wall street interest in China was on account of Chinese policies. To say that it is same as US wanting to collaborate with China for political reasons is wrong.
you can read this - China's Economy: What Everyone Needs to Know by Arthur R. Kroeber. It fleshes out the topic of economic rise of china in detail.
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Oracle
What's this? Could be more available if needed
When you understand the motivations of external powers behind Adani winning the Haifa bid this should not come as a surprise.
All this gives me the idea that those opposed to Adani failed to prevent him from acquiring Haifa. Hindenberg was too late to prevent it.
That tells me Adani will see this through. We won
How's Three billion sound
You are still not getting it. Do you really think these people had the slightest clue what to do with their economy after Mao? Let alone how to fix it to work with western ones. They were two-thirds if not smaller in size of ours man.
When the US decided to help none of these policies was in place. The US had to train these people and tell them what to do and then it started. Easy when you know a guaranteed return is assured for all parties. That is what I meant by state champions earlier. It's an American idea.
Political reasons are the foundation of that support. Coming from the very top for decades. That commerce and whatever follows later is a given. It was birthed by US advice. If you do this then we will be able to help bla bla. Try this or that. Handholding.
And naturally, Deng gets the credit and everybody says yeah China did it because since when does China give credit to others? They steal and then copy.
They didn't do it unassisted. WE DID. China still has not figured out how to get domestic consumption going as we have.
I don't blame you. This is what happens when you get Chinese PR fed on a constant basis for years and never see it questioned. Because it is profitable to say good things about China and not about negative things.
China isn't going to rise more in the future. We've seen the best of it.
XJP is India's best friend. He is our guy in Beijing. XJP will single handily drive his country's economy into the ground and send it back to Mao's time.
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alekhkhanna
Innovator
What's this? Could be more available if needed
When you understand the motivations of external powers behind Adani winning the Haifa bid this should not come as a surprise.
All this gives me the idea that those opposed to Adani failed to prevent him from acquiring Haifa. Hindenberg was too late to prevent it.
That tells me Adani will see this through. We won
How's Three billion sound
Political reasons is the foundation of that support. Coming from the very top for decades. That commerce and whatever follows later is a given.
China isn't going to rise more in the future. We've seen the best of it.
XJP is India's best friend. He is our guy in Beijing. XJP will single handily drive his country's economy into the ground and send it backwards.
Adani Group denies report of securing $3 bn loan from sovereign fund
Sovereign wealth fund Adani Group: Meanwhile, all ten group stocks had gains on Wednesday, the first time since the Hindenburg report was released in January
Duuuuuuuude. Don't shoot yourself in the foot, specially for Adani. Lol
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Meanwhile, all ten group stocks had gains on Wednesday, the first time since the Hindenburg report was released in JanuaryAdani Group denies report of securing $3 bn loan from sovereign fund
Sovereign wealth fund Adani Group: Meanwhile, all ten group stocks had gains on Wednesday, the first time since the Hindenburg report was released in Januarywap.business-standard.com
Duuuuuuuude. Don't shoot yourself in the foot, specially for Adani. Lol
^that happened magically just like that
India's Adani secures $3 bln credit from sovereign wealth fund -sources
India's Adani Group has told creditors it has secured a $3 billion loan from a sovereign wealth fund, two sources with knowledge of the matter said, as the embattled conglomerate seeks to ease debt concerns after a short-seller attack.
www.reuters.com
What's going on here?
alekhkhanna
Innovator
Market manipulation, as always.
SC has formed a committee to probe Adani btw. But I don't have hope with the members of committee.
TinTinSnowy
Herald
Adani group manipulating their own stocks. They are master manipulator. Spread fake news, stock price rises and use that bounce as exit liquidity for their holdings in Mauritius or for some other investors. Have seen this pattern multiple times with shady group and shady promoters. I don't even feel surprised.
alekhkhanna
Innovator
Reuters reported Adani has taken the loan.
Bloomberg reported it to be a lie.
Beech main fansee retail investors. As always.
Bloomberg reported it to be a lie.
Beech main fansee retail investors. As always.
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If it's that easy then I guess we can all sit back and relax.
Fake news brought them down and the same will bring them back
This is how fickle market sentiment really is
Fake news brought them down and the same will bring them back
This is how fickle market sentiment really is
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China had MFN status in 1980s. Nixon visited China in 1972 with the specific goal of improving relations with them, to drive a wedge between USSR and China. Nixon’s trip strengthened the hand of Zhou Enlai and others, helping the rehabilitation of Deng Xiaoping in 1973. Also, despite the Tiananmen square massacre of 1989, Clinton delinked human rights issues from trade and normalized trade relationship with China. Look up role of Henry Kissinger in China-US-India-USSR relationship.
alekhkhanna
Innovator
If it's that easy then I gues we can all sit back and relax.
Fake news brought them down and the same will bring them back
And that's why FII will lose trust in Indian stock market. It's never about patriotism - it's about participation. Does the regulator want retail investors to participate and partner in booming Indian economy, increase liquidity ? If yes, you can't have such overt manipulation. I could understand if this was happening with a Chinese company listed on foreign exchange- which is what happened in US in the past - but an Indian company so overtly just ****ing over everyone - and attaching itself so close to Indian economy and liabilities and assets that a fall in Adani group can cause major downfall in economy - should never ever be allowed.
But I guess anything goes in the name of patriotism. Who cares if people lose their life savings as long as some billionaire gets his billions, eh ?
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FII's are not losing trust in the Indian stock market. It's actually really hard for that to happen. But that is the intent of our adversaries and it will fail.
Adani is not India. If he goes down nothing happens to us. This too the adversaries have miscalculated
Who caused them to lose in the first place? does it require patriotism to figure that out?
explain this
- why do people trust an external entity with malafide intent that seeks to profit from our loss over that of own authorities? Are we some banana republic?
- why then would people exult in the damage done and then when remedial measures are taken call them manipulation
They hired a firm in NYC to help them sort out this mess. I called it housekeeping earlier. They need to plug the holes which they will in time.
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Mr.J
Innovator
Most foreign companies already don't trust Indian government. That's why they don't do business here.
alekhkhanna
Innovator
Nau saa chuhe khaakar billi haj ko chali.
Any change whatever happens in the future is ONLY happening because of Hindenburg report. It's not out of goodwill of heart. This is PR, not a change at core.
superczar
Keymaster
Homestly, this is the most sensible thing you have said on this thread.
India Inc has many extremely well managed firms - all the way from small caps to large caps. That's the reason why nothing happened to others.
You also know deep down that the Corpfin governance of the Adani group is far from kosher.
Contrary to what you may think, Indians as well as the wider world accord a very large importance to clean corporate governance - as it should be.
No, they trust the external entity because it simply validates what most already knew ..
ANd since you won't agree to this, The proof of the pie is in the eating. The number of retail investors here (or elsewhere) putting money into Adani group stocks (prior to Hindenburg) is but a tiny fraction of those who hold say Tata group stocks.
Why do you think is that?
Personally this is the reason why I don’t invest in indian stocks. For me Adani’s strategy of bribing corrupt government to grow is a red flag. This was exactly what happened in soviet era russia resulting in oligarchy. Again… read Magnitsky act.
TinTinSnowy
Herald
Where do you invest? Investing in international equities have become difficult for Indians residing in India with 20% TCS on LRS and complicated compliance. There are some options though with FoF of Nasdaq and other US indices through Navi. There is also a mutual fund from PPFAS with some international exposure.
My current investment strategy is buying Nifty50 ETF on dips. I like the momentum strategy followed by Nifty.