AIIMS becoming 'doctors' factory' for export: Ramadoss

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The students who get to do MBBS worked hard to get there....i think they have the right to pursue their careers as they wish...

Ramadoss was always a dunderhead....will remain so...besides everyone knows how popular he is at AIIMS :lol:
 
shrey said:
The students who get to do MBBS worked hard to get there....i think they have the right to pursue their careers as they wish...

Ramadoss was always a dunderhead....will remain so...besides everyone knows how popular he is at AIIMS :lol:

Well, how many politicians are "smart" ?? none.

At least this Ramadoss is doing something.

I am not supporting him. Faaaar from it. but at least he is doing something.
 
sydras said:
Did I mention that many times, the docs are beaten up in these areas if the relatives of a patient can't understand why the patient has died? But to be honest, this kind of thing could happen anywhere.

WHat else is left, when its no longer possible to sue a doctor, in this country for suspected malpractice ?

they lobbied to remove this a few yrs ago i think
 
delhiboy1000 said:
^^ i dint get you.. WHAT is he doing ??

err.... not too sure...but I get the impression that he is at least doing something instead of just talking....

I think I am wrong though :P

So, if possible, I retract my previous post :P
 
Even people going out of the country contribute towards the Indian economy. Just look at the effect on the economy of the southern states (especially Kerala) from people in gulf countries.
 
C'mon man...after a over 80% subsidised education, the least one can do for the country is serve the nation for at least a few years...

I do not support a forced policy to enforce this since ideally this should happen of its own voilition,

but since that doesn't seem to be happening, I guess what Ramadoss is suggesting isn't all that weird
 
blr_p said:
WHat else is left, when its no longer possible to sue a doctor, in this country for suspected malpractice ?

they lobbied to remove this a few yrs ago i think

Maybe someone should come beat you up at work if you make a mistake :bleh: . j/k :P . I'm very well aware that the responsibility of a doctor cannot be compared to that of other professions. But mistakes do happen. That's why you have to get a second or even a third opinion when you can.

In most circumstances, the doctor does whatever he can given the time and resources. I know we may have had bad experiences at times with a doctor's behaviour but many times, it's also the nurses to blame. A doctor can't look after a single patient. Man...do you know how many patients are assigned to a doctor in a day? He/she has to take care of all of them.

However, I do agree that willful malpractice is something that cannot be overlooked and there ought to be laws for this. But just think, if one gets caught up in our (crappy, inefficient) legal system and the doctor is innocent of any wrongdoing, his life is ruined and it's a shameful loss to society if he cannot practise anywhere.

IMO doctors put up with a lot of s*it from us. When, they revolt, it's usually...no read always for a darn good reason. Ramadoss is a shame on the medical profession....abusing his power and holding the lives of so many in the balance.
 
sydras said:
Maybe someone should come beat you up at work if you make a mistake :bleh: . j/k :P .
In my line of work they show you the door, arguably thats just as bad if not worse. Software is an export sector job, hire & fire, not as protected as others.
sydras said:
However, I do agree that willful malpractice is something that cannot be overlooked and there ought to be laws for this. But just think, if one gets caught up in our (crappy, inefficient) legal system and the doctor is innocent of any wrongdoing, his life is ruined and it's a shameful loss to society if he cannot practise anywhere.

It was there upto 2004, doctors ganged up and got it removed, laws dont dissapear on thier own usually, maybe paid to get it removed is more accurate. They tend to be more effective at getting laws changed than techs.

Personally i think doctors have huge egos. Dealt with quite a few already over the yrs, trying to understand the reasons of certain diganoses, them claiming to be busy and giving me half assed answers. Well shit, if i'm paying you then you better well explain it me in a manner i can understand.

Noboady is saying all doctors are bad, its like with any profession. Clearly the best solution would be to allow more doctors to get qualified in a manner that benefits the country. Not churn out rubbish but create facilities that can retain doctors from going abroad. Putting restricitons on what doctors can do after they graduate will worsen the problem because there will be loopholes. Graduating from a govt. college, that you worked to get in should not tie you down. There is no bond like with the armed services.
 
Wraith said:
and the hostels they stay in are infested with rats...crockroches...flies etc...
i mean no one would live in such filthy conditions!! but the PG students do and get a salary of 12k!!!

Why cant doctors who have lived in these hostels donate some money and time to make these hostels better. I know bureaucracy will be involved but then someone has to do something or else this will go on and on.
 
^^ thats a really tough one...coz all buildings are on govt land...and its not the easiest task in dealing with the govt..

Its a good idea but quite difficult to implement....but i do hope something like this does happen...
 
Hacker said:
Why cant doctors who have lived in these hostels donate some money and time to make these hostels better. I know bureaucracy will be involved but then someone has to do something or else this will go on and on.

Good suggestion. But, the thing is, doctors will have to approach the institution housing the students. The institution may first not agree and take this as an insult. If they do, they will most likely take the cash and put it in, slap a coat of paint on the walls and proclaim that they've bettered the lot of the students.

The rot lies mainly in the Medical Council of India(MCI) and the private instutions themselves. They give certification to such institutions without checking if they even have proper facilities, hostels etc after being bribed.
The institutes on the other hand take advantage of the MD seat scarcity to pimp their seats to the highest bidder. As far as MBBS seats go, they are pimped too but at a lower price as students might opt for engg as a career. Once you walk down the MBBS road though, you're at their mercy with no clear career options. MD Seats go from 25L to 50L and even more. (All you MBBS hopefuls out there, if you're thinking of paying a donation and getting an MBBS seat, keep in mind you have to budget 5X - 10X times for an MD seat too.)

As far as govt institutions go, they could care less for dying patients. Seemingly healthy PG students are looked upon as slaves that don't deserve any better.
 
blr_p said:
It was there upto 2004, doctors ganged up and got it removed, laws dont dissapear on thier own usually, maybe paid to get it removed is more accurate. They tend to be more effective at getting laws changed than techs.

Didn't know that. Anyway, you've made some good points. It's always good to hear both sides of the argument.

blr_p said:
Personally i think doctors have huge egos. Dealt with quite a few already over the yrs, trying to understand the reasons of certain diganoses, them claiming to be busy and giving me half assed answers. Well shit, if i'm paying you then you better well explain it me in a manner i can understand.

LOL they don't want you to go start treating yourself :rofl: . But seriously, doctors do have egos that are easily bruised. Y'see they think like 'I didn't go and spend half my good youth in a med school to have some layman question my judgement' but yes, you do have the right to question them. But it will be difficult to see eye to eye if either mind is prejudiced in a certain way.
 
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