Graphic Cards AMD HD7XXX Discussion Thread

I already gave the low end crown (until HD 6770 and I personally had included 6850 to that category as well, but I will concede it isnt the right call) and in the middle category, yes AMD does seem to do quite well again like you said... however 560 Ti and 6950 was always a tough call especially due to better drivers on Nvidia's end... a huge point in 6950s favour was the possibility of the unlocking... and then one also shouldnt forget the 560 Ti with 448 cores... plus the 570 GTX had its little niche too... so between all these cards 560 Ti / 6950 / 560 Ti 448 cores / 6970 / 570 ... it was an interesting mix with no CLEAR CUT winners (some winner in some games and the other in others) ... Top End, I am not sure how much market size do 6990 and 590 command, I was referring to the 580 since I thought it would be much bigger in terms of sales as opposed to the absolute top end... but you are right... AMD did have the highest raw performance...

As for Nvidia sticking to their guns and only revising prices once AMD showed up with better performance to price ratios... its exactly the point I am saying whats happening in this generation and why we need to be thankful to Nvidia this time. AMD showing up later with better VFM cards forced Nvidia to cut its premium. And since Nvidia has hopefully managed to deliver better VFM cards than AMD in this round, we can hope for price cuts from AMD. Which is how the duopoly works as I said...

AMD pulling a coup with better GPGPU performance... umm.. actually, as far as us gamers is concerned, its Nvidia who has pulled a coup. Remember that article from one of the threads where someone had posted Anandtech link about how AMD went about delivering the 4xxx series and how they thought about the design for a product 2 years into the future and instead of going with a bigger die (which they assumed Nvidia would go for), they went for smaller and delivered better VFM, if not better raw power ?... in a similar fashion, AMD might have decided to finally beat Nvidia on the compute thing, but Nvidia played on a hunch and delivered a card better for gamers... in almost every aspect!!!!

Lastly, the timing... you blame companies for delivering bad products or missing timelines when promised. If they chose not to launch a product, obviously its a calculated call they have taken to miss a shopping season. AMD wins and Nvidia loses... but that doesnt take anything away from their strategy cos we dont know if it was part of the plan or not... so yes, A foe that does not reach the battle on time has lost half the battle, but the question is whether they even wanted to fight the battle or not....
 
cybermantas said:
As for Nvidia sticking to their guns and only revising prices once AMD showed up with better performance to price ratios... its exactly the point I am saying whats happening in this generation and why we need to be thankful to Nvidia this time. AMD showing up later with better VFM cards forced Nvidia to cut its premium. And since Nvidia has hopefully managed to deliver better VFM cards than AMD in this round, we can hope for price cuts from AMD. Which is how the duopoly works as I said.

Point Conceded.

AMD pulling a coup with better GPGPU performance... umm.. actually, as far as us gamers is concerned, its Nvidia who has pulled a coup. Remember that article from one of the threads where someone had posted Anandtech link about how AMD went about delivering the 4xxx series and how they thought about the design for a product 2 years into the future and instead of going with a bigger die (which they assumed Nvidia would go for), they went for smaller and delivered better VFM, if not better raw power ?

I was the member you are pertaining to. Look they did what they felt needed to do then and well the team which was responsible for the success was laid off last year, so this is a new course that AMD is charting and well GPGPU is as important if not more important than just gaming prowess because it will allow AMD to make something like the Tegra chips that nVidia makes for mobile / tablet market -->

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2679/3 / http://www.anandtech.com/show/2937

News pertaining Carrell Killbrew getting the pinkie --> http://www.anandtech...ure-of-amd-gpus / http://www.anandtech...illebrew-is-out.

Lastly, the timing. you blame companies for delivering bad products or missing timelines when promised. If they chose not to launch a product, obviously its a calculated call they have taken to miss a shopping season. AMD wins and Nvidia loses. but the question is whether they even wanted to fight the battle or not.

Look look, I am not an economist OR an nVidia employee that I was waiting for this miracle counter-stroke coming out of the blue, the factor is Kepler performed, but the initiative is with AMD, it was a bit like the Xbox 360 vs. PS 3 the former was out a whole year before the latter, this allowed a lot of room for improvements --
  • The XBLA and Live service was well established and had a steady stream of releases to its credit, so the market was being saturated with titles, till date the PSN has not been able to catch up to this.
  • All hardware and firmware issues were well known, R.R.O.D. and the HD-DVD reader chewing discs were identified and curtailed by Microsoft as soon as permitted.
  • Most console gamers [excluding Japan market] had bought the X-Box and were satisfied with the product. So apart from the home crowd of Japan most hypothetical customers were already out of the pool for Sony.

De facto is that nature abhors a vacuum and will adjust itself to eliminate the same, so if nVidia did not loose the performance crown it lost the customers who might have bought a nVidia card. This is what I state, in this world of releases and counter-releases a customer cannot buy an AMD card first and then regret the choice ~2 months down the line that person is commited to his choice and well too bad nVidia, I mean even if the GTX 680 performs ~15% better than the HD 7970 I do not see anyone in India buying it for --> 46,000/-. Sorry you loose the price battle too for now.
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Hope this clears my stand further, also stop inserting... this instead of fullstops and other punctuating marks, this isn't facebook and personally I find this an annoyance.

Regards,

ALPHA17
 
the 7970 is actually on par with the 680 when both are oc'd to the max level.. so overall clock for clock they are equal.. however 7970 is slightly overpriced at present..
 
The battle will be won in the mid section,it's HD7870 VS Gtx660ti that's what we're waiting for.
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mrcool63 said:
the 7970 is actually on par with the 680 when both are oc'd to the max level.. so overall clock for clock they are equal.. however 7970 is slightly overpriced at present..
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rite said:
Good news.

7870 Twin Frozr OC in stock in SMC International for a very reasonable price. Just 22k
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Any reviews of MSI products? How reliable are their cards? How is their warranty?

I'm dying to buy a 78xx card, but this one seems a bit out of budget. Will wait for 7850's price and then decide which one seems a worthy card. Would you recommend a 7870 over a 7850, provided no budget constraints?
 
Yeah, when both overclocked, HD7970 and GTX680 go head to head.

And VR-Zone's review of the overclocked HD7970 v/s OCed GTX680 proves that.

As for Hexus.net, they tried to do a HD7970 review @ GTX680 clock speeds, but they failed, according to me. Because GTX680 clocks at 1056MHz turbo, Hexus forgot that, OCed HD7970 to 1006MHz only.
 
blkrb0t said:
Any reviews of MSI products? How reliable are their cards? How is their warranty?

I'm dying to buy a 78xx card, but this one seems a bit out of budget. Will wait for 7850's price and then decide which one seems a worthy card. Would you recommend a 7870 over a 7850, provided no budget constraints?

The HD 7870 is a better card in my opinion, because on over-clocking it reaches the performance levels of HD 7950 easily and closes with the HD 7970 on several occasions. The MSi Twin Frozr edition cards have a history of being really over-clocker friendly and their pan-India service network is decent --> good.
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Hope this answers your question. Cheers!!
 
Jasku said:
So, are you buying this card then? I know you were looking for an upgrade...
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No Sire, there are a lot of things on the drawing board before I purchase this card [HD 7870 / 7850 2GB] OR their nVidia equivalent sometime in August --> September timeline. The new tax stipulations and weakening Rupee vis-a-vis $$ are throwing a spanner in the entire plan.
 
I don't think with the current crop of games I will be upgrading to Kepler or Tahiti anytime soon.(Xbox 720 or PS4 will change this scenario I suppose).My 6950 still runs all games at ultra smoothly at full HD.Only those people with a multi monitor setup or 2560x1600 screens will benefit from this.Now the question is which card will be at the 560ti/6950 1 GB range in terms of pricing and lets see how the duel at that price range plays out.The 680/7970 is overkill for full HD.
 
7870 reference will probably be at least 20-21k. It is like replacing the 6950 series, the reference and Twin Frozr were priced within a difference of just Rs.500-1000. This is what will probably happen with 7870 as well and perhaps most of the stock for 7870 in India will be for 7870 OC. 7850 for sub 15k is a bit optimistic, but 16-17k is nearly sure shot, tops.
 
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