Beef banned in Maharashtra, 5 yrs jail for possession or sale

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this is in cuba. further proof that its not about religion.

Well, in India at least, the motives seem to be mainly communal appeasement for the sake of vote bank. There is a misguided perception that beef is consumed mainly by Muslims (which is untrue since Hindu community consumes more beef in the country in terms of overall quantity than other communities primarily due them being the majority community in the country) and such bans are targeted to diss off Muslim community. Political parties like BJP go though with it in hopes of gaining some brownie points form the Hindu community which is their major vote bank.

It is not just about beef either. Every year, some Hindu fundamentalist groups try to get lamb/goat meat banned on Muslim and Christian festivals on some pretext or the other to provoke those communities.

If there are other more reasonable factors behind the ban of beef, why is it that we have never seen any attempts being made to even temporarily ban chicken availability when bird flu is spreading rampart.
 
Well, in India at least, the motives seem to be mainly communal appeasement for the sake of vote bank.
had any state government categorically said so?
It is not just about beef either. Every year, some Hindu fundamentalist groups try to get lamb/goat meat banned on Muslim and Christian festivals on some pretext or the other to provoke those communities.
this happens every year. a community mocks the hindu festival for being creating pollution, destroying nature etc and when its their turn to mock them , they return the favour.
 
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this happens every year. a community mocks the hindu festival for being creating pollution, destroying nature etc and when its their turn to mock them , they return the favour.

I assume you are talking about Diwali. So tell me which community mocks it or makes a communal issue out of it? AFAIK, a lot of Muslims and Christians also buy crackers and use them. The factories that make them are also controlled by people of all communities. The point there is that pollution is not a personal choice as your actions have a wider impact on everyone irrespective of community. The govt thinks that check on pollution is important enough that we have pollution checks for vehicles.

The people who protest against rampart and uncontrolled pollution which raises to 5 times the normal levels during Diwali season do so irrespective of which community they belong to. They are against pollution and not against Diwali. The people who become sick or die are not just the minority communities but Hindus as well. What has crackers even got to do with Diwali in the first place. I don't remember reading anything about people lighting crackers when Lord Krishna got rid of Narakasura or Lord Rama got rid of Ravana. Diwali is meant to be a festival of lights and can be celebrated quite well without the over excess that we see today. If anything, over the years, people have bastardized this festival from what it was supposed to be.

Even in a democracy, your rights are expected to cease when they start impinging on the rights of others. Despite so many people dying due to breathing and allergy related issues or becoming sick, was ever any remedy even considered by the govt leave alone a extreme setup like a total ban?

Then you also say that ban on beef or trying to ban meat during non Hindu festivals might be in retaliation to people protesting against pollution. So tell me, is anyone forcefully shoving beef down the throat of people who don't want to eat it? What you eat is a personal choice. How is cow slaughter effecting everyone in a way that cannot be controlled without resorting to total ban ? We don't see the govt put ban on chicken and other fowl even when bird flu is spreading and peoples lives are at risk, so what is the justification for ban on beef?

Everywhere that ban on beef has been demanded, it is on the basis of "preservation" of Indian culture or Hindu culture. In courts, they may grasp at straws trying to portray as if its has some other meaningful and logical reason, but as far as the proposals/demands in the public go, its always has been in relation to religion or culture.

Faith is a matter of personal choice and should be kept just as private as your privates. There is no problem in people having faith in whatever God they want or not having faith in any at all. But when people start getting involved with religions, rational thinking goes for a toss and people start reveling in stupid things like these. Religion is stupid and so are the people who feel the need to cling to them and there is no dearth of people who take advantage of such stupidity for their own advantage. That is what's happening here. The ruling leaders pull these sort of gimmicks to get the Hindu vote bank and some other Muslim leader would be busy trying to rile up Muslims to get their votes.
 
The govt thinks that check on pollution is important enough that we have pollution checks for vehicles.

The people who protest against rampart and uncontrolled pollution which raises to 5 times the normal levels during Diwali season do so irrespective of which community they belong to. They are against pollution and not against Diwali. The people who become sick or die are not just the minority communities but Hindus as well.
Vehicles are used all year round, crackers are a one week event in the year if that.

What about people burning leaves ? i get that quite a bit from my neighbours. Draw the curtains. but there is a strong smell outdoors.

Ever lived next to a construction site, i've had houses come up right around me. There is a rule that concrete mixers and trucks can only enter the city between 11pm and have to be out by 7am. This means lots of noise early in the morning. Buildings need concrete. Allow it during the day and the traffic jams which are already difficult get worse. Stop it at night and nobody will be able to build anything.

Despite so many people dying due to breathing and allergy related issues or becoming sick, was ever any remedy even considered by the govt leave alone a extreme setup like a total ban?
what can the govt do, other than make the cost of treatment cheaper for the affected people.
 
Vehicles are used all year round, crackers are a one week event in the year if that.

Yet, the increase in pollution due to crackers during Diwali season is 4~10 times the normal average with just vehicle pollution. Vehicle pollution is no less dangerous, but the pollution spike due to crackers is several fold more. Also its not even like its a one week affair per year, These days crackers are piled up and used on every other occasion like Marriages, functions, religious processions, India winning in cricket matches and what not. In Hyderabad, I hear crackers every alternate day for some reason or the other.

In any event, every action has its consequences. It won't be long before India won't be much different from the most polluted places in china and people would be forced to wear pollution masks even in their houses.

what can the govt do, other than make the cost of treatment cheaper for the affected people.

They can take steps to regulate the market and also jack up prices of crackers. If govt is jacking up prices on imported electronics for the "Make in India" program, they can just as well do that for crackers to reduce their usage. Make them less affordable and people won't be buying that many.
 
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Yet, the increase in pollution due to crackers during Diwali season is 4~10 times the normal average with just vehicle pollution. Vehicle pollution is no less dangerous, but the pollution spike due to crackers is several fold more. Also its not even like its a one week affair per year, These days crackers are piled up and used on every other occasion like Marriages, functions, religious processions, India winning in cricket matches and what not. In Hyderabad, I hear crackers every alternate day for some reason or the other.
Those are smaller function s where the whole city isn't involved. was going to mention them bu they are very short lived affairs.

You don't get bikes revving where you live. All those two and three wheelers trying to push more than they can. I can tell the difference in sound levels after 10pm. My tab's front firing speakers suddenly sound much louder.

They can take steps to regulate the market and also jack up prices of crackers. If govt is jacking up prices on imported electronics for the "Make in India" program, they can just as well do that for crackers to reduce their usage. Make them less affordable and people won't be buying that many.
Bulk of india's crackers come from Sivakasi n TN, they have a strong lobby to prevent imports but grey market is hard to police.
 
I assume you are talking about Diwali. So tell me which community mocks it or makes a communal issue out of it? AFAIK, a lot of Muslims and Christians also buy crackers and use them. The factories that make them are also controlled by people of all communities. The point there is that pollution is not a personal choice as your actions have a wider impact on everyone irrespective of community. The govt thinks that check on pollution is important enough that we have pollution checks for vehicles.

The people who protest against rampart and uncontrolled pollution which raises to 5 times the normal levels during Diwali season do so irrespective of which community they belong to. They are against pollution and not against Diwali. The people who become sick or die are not just the minority communities but Hindus as well. What has crackers even got to do with Diwali in the first place. I don't remember reading anything about people lighting crackers when Lord Krishna got rid of Narakasura or Lord Rama got rid of Ravana. Diwali is meant to be a festival of lights and can be celebrated quite well without the over excess that we see today. If anything, over the years, people have bastardized this festival from what it was supposed to be.

Even in a democracy, your rights are expected to cease when they start impinging on the rights of others. Despite so many people dying due to breathing and allergy related issues or becoming sick, was ever any remedy even considered by the govt leave alone a extreme setup like a total ban?

Then you also say that ban on beef or trying to ban meat during non Hindu festivals might be in retaliation to people protesting against pollution. So tell me, is anyone forcefully shoving beef down the throat of people who don't want to eat it? What you eat is a personal choice. How is cow slaughter effecting everyone in a way that cannot be controlled without resorting to total ban ? We don't see the govt put ban on chicken and other fowl even when bird flu is spreading and peoples lives are at risk, so what is the justification for ban on beef?

Everywhere that ban on beef has been demanded, it is on the basis of "preservation" of Indian culture or Hindu culture. In courts, they may grasp at straws trying to portray as if its has some other meaningful and logical reason, but as far as the proposals/demands in the public go, its always has been in relation to religion or culture.

Faith is a matter of personal choice and should be kept just as private as your privates. There is no problem in people having faith in whatever God they want or not having faith in any at all. But when people start getting involved with religions, rational thinking goes for a toss and people start reveling in stupid things like these. Religion is stupid and so are the people who feel the need to cling to them and there is no dearth of people who take advantage of such stupidity for their own advantage. That is what's happening here. The ruling leaders pull these sort of gimmicks to get the Hindu vote bank and some other Muslim leader would be busy trying to rile up Muslims to get their votes.


wasnt saying about diwali. my self have given up firecrackers when i was 10 .

let me give you an eg to put my point through.

there would be communities putting their ideas for festivals as.

Holi : wastage of water, pollution

tomatino festival in india : same returning the favour

navratri/Dandia : those opposing say : max sales of condoms and abortion in that duration.

valentines day: same returning the favour

the gist of the post was regardless there will always be people trying to find a communal angle in any of the decisions because they dont belong to the "secular" clan.
 
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I read somewhere: 'Religion is a mental disorder'.

Most festivals in india seem to be vaguely based around religion. But more than bhajans you hear bollywood 'music' and of course there's all the associated daaru shaaru. so 'God' alone knows what or who people really believe in...
 
Anyone taking a moral stand on laws misses the point. There are no rights and wrongs in politics. Politics is about survival and asserting one's will. All facts and rationale needed can be created. In any case, India will not be the first country legislating on food based on religious beliefs.

I am an omnivore but am enjoying watching a group of vegetarians trying to dominate. Its a rare sight :)

I also enjoy watching the antics of a certain group of people, whose whole life from washing their **tt to running their government is dictated by religion, suddenly become the champions of secularism in India :)

If I had my way, I would have preferred banning koshar/halal style killing which I find barbaric. Denmark did it last year, so it wouldn't be without a precedent.
 
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Most festivals in india seem to be vaguely based around religion.
Typically harvests.

If I had my way, I would have preferred banning koshar/halal style killing which I find barbaric. Denmark did it last year, so it wouldn't be without a precedent.
In favour of stunning animals before slaughter. Denmark has not wholesale banned slaughter. The only reason they can do this is because they don't service the middle east. Not possible for countries like NZ or Australia or even India for that matter. We are a major beef exporter.

The idea behind slaughtering an animal that is still conscious was to ensure the food was safe for consumption, ie fresh. Someone that advertises as halal or kosher is a sign of quality and by extension health reasons. With mince it also means you are getting what you pay for and its not cut with anything else. In my city meat is sold in the market and there is no sign of refrigeration any where and is on sale even during a power cut. Its fresh. These ideas go back thousands of years for a good reason.
 
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If beef is banned in Karnataka. what is the steak that you get in restaurants made from? I have eaten in Sunny's and Grill House and always assumed it was beef.
I don't think its buffalo. Its now a cow yes but its like from a cow-species/family. Just not a cow. I dont know what its called. They look like cows but are smaller in size even the fully grown ones. I know because I've had them all- cows buffaloes and the cow-like cattle. And they all have different taste. You couldn't differentiate them? :S
So my guess is you must have been eating the other meat lol. Buffalo meat has a peculiar smell.
Even here in Delhi some butchers sell this meat out in the open. Obviously the NE people here think they are beef. I guess they miss the flavor of the REAL beef so much they no longer know how it taste like lol. but you can find the real meat in a Muslim locality. I'll post a pic when i see it.
 
omg you might have discovered a new species there.
They are found abundantly. you guys just didn't know. :/
North India including UP and Maharashtra. Probably domesticated to replace beef in these "pro-hindu" areas. Because we don't see much of this animal in the NE since we get the real beef freely. suck it beef-lovers. :P
Also taste-wise: beef>this beef-clone (lol)~buffalo meat. I don't like any of them much.
 
I don't think its buffalo. Its now a cow yes but its like from a cow-species/family. Just not a cow. I dont know what its called. They look like cows but are smaller in size even the fully grown ones. I know because I've had them all- cows buffaloes and the cow-like cattle. And they all have different taste. You couldn't differentiate them? :S
So my guess is you must have been eating the other meat lol. Buffalo meat has a peculiar smell.
Even here in Delhi some butchers sell this meat out in the open. Obviously the NE people here think they are beef. I guess they miss the flavor of the REAL beef so much they no longer know how it taste like lol. but you can find the real meat in a Muslim locality. I'll post a pic when i see it.
Do find out that name.

as far as taste goes it depends on the feed and age even within a breed. i don't know the difference but what i get tastes good.
 
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