Belgian GP 2008

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Stewards deemed Hamilton did not properly allow Kimi Raikkonen to re-pass after overtaking the Ferrari driver by cutting the final chicane with just over two laps to go.

Hamilton did let the Finn pass him after the chicane, but he then used the slipstream of the Ferrari to immediately launch a successful overtaking move at the next corner
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That's a correct decision in my view but McLaren will surely appeal against it.
 
Kimi can kiss his second WDC goodbye, cuz he was able to make up a 17 point deficit in the last two races of 2007 due to the Hamilton/Alonso squabling, but not this time. Plus Hamilton showed racecraft today that he just didn't have last year.
 
I don't care who wins the drivers championship this year but it should not be Hamilton:@
this guy should be remembered as a good racing driver who NEVER had it in him to win a title:P
 
there was an opinion poll on f1 racing whether its worth attempting to pass someone to gain 2 points any more considering that you might get penalized like this and lose 6. really discouraging any sort of racing.

they also mentioned this duel which i hadn't seen till now :D and its bloody amazing must watch for everyone

YouTube - Villeneuve v. Arnoux
 
I am sure if Lewis was in a Ferrari he would still have got the victory.
From a neutral viewpoint of view Lewis is the deserving winner .. no two things about Kimi's drive for 42 out of the 44 laps .. but he messed it badly in the penultimate lap.

Rules say that if you gain a position by cutting a chicane you have to back off let the person pass else you incur a penalty ... nowhere is it mentioned that you back off and let the car go off into the sunset.
McLaren are however appealing the ruling which means the final say will belong with the FIA's International Court of Appeal.

"We looked at all our data and also made it available to the FIA stewards," a McLaren spokesperson told Autosport.

"It showed that, having lifted, Lewis was 6km/h slower than Kimi as they crossed the start/finish line.

"Having passed the lead back to Kimi, Lewis repositioned his car, moving across and behind Kimi to the right-hand line and then outbraked him into the hairpin.

"Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal."
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Link->McLaren to appeal Hamilton penalty - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com

Even Heiki's penalty was not justified .... it was a racing incident ... you cannot a driver for making a mistake in overtaking ... if so David Coulthard would have served more than half his races in his career with penalties.

But the point is ... even Race Director Charlie Whiting believes it was a legal move.

Mclaren have proof which show that Lewis had backed off sufficiently and then passes Kimi again.

Finally .. were the stewards sleeping when Kimi overtook Lewis under yellow flags ?
Ferrari have confirmed that the stewards did not question Kimi Raikkonen over why he overtook Lewis Hamilton under a yellow flag when they summoned him after the Belgian GP.
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Link->Stewards didn't investigate Raikkonen - Planet-F1 News - from planet-f1.com
I am expecting all Ferrari Fans to vouch for my neck ... but its my opinion guys .. I am entitled for it
 
It is amazing about the inconsistency that the FIA stewards seem to be richly blessed with. Why the heck the the FIA can't have a permanent set of race stewards that travel from GP to GP beats me!
 
Actually there were 2 incidents, 1 was barely shown becoz of stupid direction. When the rain came, first the Hamilton run wide and overtook by jumping final chicane.

Then he allowed him to pass but tucked in his slipstream while coming out of the corner on the straight and overtook him. ( Thats why he is penalised officially). Also when he pulled across to close the door on the turn, there was contact with Kimi's car, you could clearly see that in the replay and front left wing was damaged a bit but there was also contact with kimi's left tyre. ( t his might just be the reason for kimi's spin that ended his race, his front tyre was flat while seeing replay ). No for him to control that spin, dude was frantically trying to steer right, car kept going left.

Before kimi retired and after this overtaking, there was another incident. Most of this we were not able to see live because director of star sports didnt had camera on this battle at the time.

Hamilton actually spun after this behind a back marker on 2nd last lap, almost taking out Kimi. Kimi had to break and avoid both hamilton and back marker and he overtook hamilton. That is why Kimi is not being investigated for overtaking under yellow flag. Hamilton had gone off the track when Kimi passed him.

And then kimi went off and crashed into the wall.

I am not a big fan of kimi, ( I support whoever drives for Ferrari :P ). But he didnt deserve this for sure.

I dont see this decision being reversed by even FIA. There are some things you dont do in conditions like this. And Hamilton is lucky he still had 6 points. And it will mostly stay this way.

I just hope kimi realises that championship is as good as gone and does everything to keep Hamilton behind him in coming races. If while doing so he wins races, fare enough. But he shouldnt do something stupid in coming races while overtaking Massa. I am sure Ferrari will have nice long chat with him regarding this.
 
Shripad said:
Hamilton actually spun after this behind a back marker on 2nd last lap, almost taking out Kimi. Kimi had to break and avoid both hamilton and back marker and he overtook hamilton. That is why Kimi is not being investigated for overtaking under yellow flag. Hamilton had gone off the track when Kimi passed him.
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Well NO!! Kimi should've waited for Lewis to get back on track. If the car is off track, you simply need to follow that car on to the grass and back. There's no way you can overtake under yellow. That's just not right. FIA should penalize Kimi for that as well. Take 25 seconds off his time and see where he ends up. :bleh:

I don't think Ferrari should impose team orders just yet as long Kimi is into it theoretically.
 
When you spin, you spin. If you're the reason for the yellow, people aren't supposed to stop and wait for you.

btw that's not called overtaking or passing. When someone's front and rear wheels are not aligned roughly in the direction of the track, they're technically not 'on' the track. Then race leaders would never be passed, no matter what!!

On the other hand, the pass at La source that Hamilton pulled off looked legit, Kimi was simply a lot slower. Hamilton never slipstreamed him, he was more or less always to the left or right of Kimi. And the clip that Kimi got was on his front wing, from Hamilton's rear right wheel. Last I checked, you couldn't steer with those wheels, so it was Kimi just micalculating when Lewis would pull back in.

On the whole:

1. I'm happy at the final result, being a Ferrari fan

2. even though the red team didn't probably deserve it.
 
bottle said:
they also mentioned this duel which i hadn't seen till now :D and its bloody amazing must watch for everyone

YouTube - Villeneuve v. Arnoux
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Arnoux's interview about this duel is the key. Here is his quote
"The duel with Gilles is something I'll never forget. You can only race like that, you know, with someone you trust completely, and you don't meet many like him. He beat me, yes and in France, but it didn't worry me. I knew I'd been beaten by the best driver in the world."
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its visible from the video itself. Neither driver closed the door on other, noone tried to block the other's way into the corner. Its sad that this does not happen today. :no:
 
^nvm that i'd settle even for some agressive racing :lol: there is nothing happenning these days in F1. this last race was better than anything seen recently and I think they should have let the race results stand as they were without penalty
 
abhisheksahas said:
Rules say that if you gain a position by cutting a chicane you have to back off let the person pass else you incur a penalty ... nowhere is it mentioned that you back off and let the car go off into the sunset.
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This is exactly why I have an issue with the decision.
 
Ck Nish said:
This is exactly why I have an issue with the decision.
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Hamilton had gained the advantage of momentum by cutting the corner, he was suppose to back off to lose that advantage and he didnt nor did he give kimi back the place easily, kimi had to work his way past him, if you have the race on hdd you can see that kimi has to acclerate aggressively to catch up to lewis and lays a lot of rubber down on the track..., If he didnt have the momentum he couldn't have overtaken kimi so easily there, he wasnt in the slipstream for even a second... If he just backed off then he could have easily overtaken kimi later because his car was better in the wet..
 
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