Benazir Bhutto shot dead !!

[Keane 16]

By the way, anything that goes wrong in Pakistan=Bad for us.

 

[Nikhil]

It is not about being secular. Death is always deplorable and always tragic. Why you mix your As**h*le ideolgy with such a sad news.
Can't you keep you mouth from spewing such a slime at this hours. At least for a min try and not to be a skinhead. You will feel human.

I have no love lost for Pakistan but the fact is that the country is going to dogs. The news of Bhutto's death is as significant for India as it is for Pakistan. They have nukes and they are losing their sane leaders at quite a fast rate... it does not bode well for any sensible person... neither in Pakistan nor in India. Unless of-course we are talking about racial and religious bigots. Both in Pakistan as well as in India

Didn expected such a comment from ur side on.

As Margoth just wrote pretty neatly, death shd be taken as it shd be.

Why wd u overlook the fact that wotever happens in that country which can be best related to another step towards unrest and anarchy, is another step closer towards India's Insecurity.
Pakistan has clearly stated once that if anyone tried to de-nuke them, they ll fire it towards india, as those mindless idiotic hardliners have every single agenda of theirs framed to counter India..

She wasnt too mch respected, but maybe her efforts cud have led to establishing democracy in some form, which cud still have been attributed to a step in the right direction.

Guys !! chill !! He was referring to a comment I made in another thread !! Sheesh. I took the comment in a good way. And it was directed at me. You guys misunderstood him !!

And as others have said, the worst part abt this is that we are affected. It is not in our best interests to have failed states like pakistan as our neighbours.

 

[Ashish.K]

I was wondering when something like this will happen. It was soo predictable.

This is just a beginning of end of Pakistan as we know it. I dont think the nation can survive like this, not for long.

I dont even think this is the end of this, I can already see next target.

Just heard the news.... actually a sad thing, I 2nd with Funky thinking !!!

Also, I feel there are high chances of riots over pakistan !!

 

[hatter]

Guys !! chill !! He was referring to a comment I made in another thread !! Sheesh. I took the comment in a good way. And it was directed at me. You guys misunderstood him !!

And as others have said, the worst part abt this is that we are affected. It is not in our best interests to have failed states like pakistan as our neighbours.

If this is the case Darthcoder may not have meant what I thought after reading his post. I can just say SORRY DEAR. And I mean it.
But honestly I don't like it when people trivialize death.

 

[blr_p]

I was wondering when something like this will happen. It was soo predictable.
This is just a beginning of end of Pakistan as we know it. I dont think the nation can survive like this, not for long.

Care to take this to its conclusion ?

civil war, more partition, re-unification...what ?

I dont even think this is the end of this, I can already see next target.

Yeah, but he is better protected and there is already a replacement.

All anyone really cares about is the nukes and they try thier best to assure us that all is well. Course we will be first to find out if not

 

[Darthcoder]

He he he, Its alright morgoth. Now that you know, Me and Nikhil have strong opinions and I like picking on him .

But I just cant digest people saying RIP Bhutto, she was a paki goddamit.

What are we??Emotional fools?Some lady in an enemy territory dies (and god knows how many terrorists she mustve trained against India) and here we have people going RIP Bhutto boohoo. Cmon do you even shed a tear when an Indian soldier dies??(Or do you even care??).

I am not saying that what has happened is good, its just that we shudnt be going zomg she's dead boohoo. **Wears FlameSuit**

PS: I'll kill them if the stock market goes down tomorrow cos of this

 

[stalker]

rioting has already started.. the PPP is supposedly already on a rampage..

i jus get de feeling tht de subcontinent is headed for a major shakeup.. everywhere.. not jus pak.. even in nepal, sl nd bangladesh

 

[Nikhil]

He he he, Its alright morgoth. Now that you know, Me and Nikhil have strong opinions and I like picking on him .

But I just cant digest people saying RIP Bhutto, she was a paki goddamit.
What are we??Emotional fools?Some lady in an enemy territory dies (and god knows how many terrorists she mustve trained against India) and here we have people going RIP Bhutto boohoo. Cmon do you even shed a tear when an Indian soldier dies??(Or do you even care??).

I am not saying that what has happened is good, its just that we shudnt be going zomg she's dead boohoo. **Wears FlameSuit**

lol... true.

But here, I agree with you. It isnt like she actually took action against the terrorists.

But on the other hand, I feel bad for her kids. As a human being I feel bad to see 3 kids lose their mother. Of course, the billions of dollars in her Swiss bank account will make it easier for them to cope with the loss.

And if you leave aside terrorism, she was our best bet for Democracy. Democracy in Pak will not help us end terrorism, but will benefit India in other ways.

 

[Ashish.K]

Pak mobile networks are shutted down, Riots has been already started in rawalpindi, lahore.... Do we have some one from Pakistan onboard ???

 

[Shripad]

Care to take this to its conclusion ?

civil war, re-unification...what ?

Yeah, but he is better protected and there is already a replacement.

All anyone really cares about is the nukes and they try thier best to assure us that all is well. Course we will be first to find out if not

Dont even go there. reunification is now out of question. Pakistan is too far gone. We are better the way we are.
Civil war is very much possibility. and for that matter already in progress in some parts of Pakistan. And honestly Pakistani nukes are not that much of an threat to us. If the time comes it can be taken care of very easily. The military readyness of pakistani and for that matter even indian nukes is a joke at the moment.
We just have capabilities on paper and technical expertise and material to build it in matter of days. But ready to deploy arsenal is almost non existent. ( ok there might be few nukes that can be made ready for launch but that no is small enough to count using your fingers.
If times comes to takeout Pakistani nuke facilities, it can be done even before Pakistan knows what hit them.

As far as Musharraf goes, well he might be killed by his own men

Its high time India and for that matter US toughens their stand on Pakistani political situation.

 

[stalker]

i think photographer is from pakistan

 

[Dark Star]

RIP Bhutto :|

 

[tracerbullet]

Its really a saddening thing. Look at where our human race is going we are hell bent on killing each other. We are just waiting for reasons. not good...... not good for Pakistan, not for us and the whole world.

Yes. Perfectly worded.

While Benazir's death is tragic, did no one see it coming? One unsuccessful death encounter later, what did she expect? Garlands of democracy? Mush to step down and concede power? This is Pakistan we're talking about. There's simply no hope left for that country.

 

[Safin]

He he he, Its alright morgoth. Now that you know, Me and Nikhil have strong opinions and I like picking on him .

But I just cant digest people saying RIP Bhutto, she was a paki goddamit.

What are we??Emotional fools?Some lady in an enemy territory dies (and god knows how many terrorists she mustve trained against India) and here we have people going RIP Bhutto boohoo. Cmon do you even shed a tear when an Indian soldier dies??(Or do you even care??).

I am not saying that what has happened is good, its just that we shudnt be going zomg she's dead boohoo. **Wears FlameSuit**

PS: I'll kill them if the stock market goes down tomorrow cos of this

Unbelievable.

Even if as a joke, thats perfectly whats dangerous and parochial mentality

Benazir eliminated is playing right into the hands of Taliban. There is a sympathy wave for her party(not for Musharaff) who is not even the army chief. Martial law is a dangeous option for him now as the control then shifts to the Army.

Nawaz is gone. Mushy is not going to allow him after the coup to become PM.

People want Musharaff out. The only people that benefit are those who want anarchy in Pakistan and thats not a good news for us by any stretch of imagination. Its actually terrible news for stock markets(long terms) if there is instability.

Civil war is very much possibility. and for that matter already in progress in some parts of Pakistan. And honestly Pakistani nukes are not that much of an threat to us. If the time comes it can be taken care of very easily. The military readyness of pakistani and for that matter even indian nukes is a joke at the moment.

Whats happening is not a civil war but a normal reaction that i don't forsee developing into one especially with the Army in Pakistan.

If times comes to takeout Pakistani nuke facilities, it can be done even before Pakistan knows what hit them.

Who told you that. Pretty good wishful thinking but its just that. Pakistan is no banana republic(irrespective of whatwe might want to imagine them as) and as far as Nukes go, they are pretty safe and much better deployed than India's(relatively speaking in terms of actual operationalization as those are Chinese). You can forget about taking them out without no one knowing about it.

We can take Pakistan out, but with massive hits on our side(massive means cities gone). The only guys who can exercise some control over pakistan Nukes are the americans which they are anyway doing.

 

[vinay_0007]

sad news... great lady... wish deve gowd* will be shot in similar way :bleh:

 

[Nikhil]

Whats happening is not a civil war but a normal reaction that i don't forsee developing into one especially with the Army in Pakistan.

I think he meant the war in the tribal regions.

I at least am referring to that only. I think that is civil war. The army has no control over those areas at all. NWFP, Baloch region, and others.

 

[Nikhil]

sad news... great lady... wish deve gowd* will be shot in similar way :bleh:

A man after my own heart !! This is what I have been praying for almost 4 years now !! He and his idiotic son.

 

[Shripad]

I think he meant the war in the tribal regions.

I at least am referring to that only. I think that is civil war. The army has no control over those areas at all. NWFP, Baloch region, and others.

Yup. talking about those border regions and not whats happening now.

And we have good first strike capabilities even with conventional weapons.

Pakistan is said to have less than 10 ready to deploy nuclear missiles. They probably have more nuclear weapons which can be deployed by traditional methods. And thats where problem lies for them. Getting through our defenses to reach major city by conventional delivery system will be too difficult for them. ( These are not my speculations, these are the estimates by NDC and ADA )

Its a number game. If and when the time comes if large scale Airforce, Navy and army attack takes place there will be too many hits on Pakistan too quickly for them to do any real damage to our civilian targets. Sure our forces will take heavy losses but the fact is we can control the conflict if needed. Specially its not too difficult to take out the nuclear missile targets of pakistan. They are well known and monitored by not only us but 3-4 other nations.

Nuclear war is almost impossible. Believe it or not, noone, i mean noone is that trigger happy these days even when they are on brink of defeat. Everyone knows implications of pressing that trigger including extremists. Specially in open National conflict where you know who your enemy is.

 

[blr_p]

Who told you that. Pretty good wishful thinking but its just that. Pakistan is no banana republic(irrespective of whatwe might want to imagine them as) and as far as Nukes go, they are pretty safe and much better deployed than India's(relatively speaking in terms of actual operationalization as those are Chinese). You can forget about taking them out without no one knowing about it.
We can take Pakistan out, but with massive hits on our side(massive means cities gone). The only guys who can exercise some control over pakistan Nukes are the americans which they are anyway doing.

My sentiments as well, Funky seems rather over confident in our abilities (even with Israel & US help) to even locate where those nukes are. What if one slips by, it would be a crazy risk and only a last resort move.

I wonder what his sources for such optimism are ?

Martial law is a dangeous option for him now as the control then shifts to the Army.

Makes you wonder about the timing of this attack doesn't it

..just after he's out of uniform, tho i expect he has a contingency plan.

 

[Safin]

How would it be difficult for them to deploy the weapons at short notice?

First of all an all out assault is not possible at any time. Operationalizing such a attack would require lot of movement of forces, equipment and manpower which you cannot hide. Existing forward baselines cannot be sent to carry out strikes as that will open us up pretty badly anyway. Our existing strategic lines resting with the western command and the northern command will require a couple of days to deploy the troops necessary to carry out any major assault to take over Pakistan. Navy deployment in the Arabian Sea can be done faster but again Pakistan have sufficient frigates to counter any attack thats not at full power. And again getting all of our warships to be ready is again something you cannot hide. Pakistan will know whats happening and they will be ready.

And India does not have any effective means to stop and completely neutralize conventional warfare abilities of pakistan. As it is a conflict at that scale will not remain localized at all.

I don't think war is at all an option. Full fledged War is not something India is worried about. Its the small scale conflicts that are the real danger for us. On the lines of whats happening in Kashmir. The best conflicts are where you demoralize and carry out collateral damage in a skewed proportion which is what is set to rise if at all there is a rise of extremism in Pakistan.