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Hey everyone,
I'm planning a build around the Ryzen 7 9800X3D and need some advice on choosing the best motherboard. There are so many options with chipsets that it is really confusing.
Searched on Internet, atleast now I know that X870E is the most high end, however prices are all over the place. You can find expensive B650, B850 as well.

Here are my key requirements:

PCIe 5.0 support for GPU (future-proofing for next-gen graphics cards)

At least one PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot for high-speed NVMe storage

4-6 SATA III ports since I have multiple HDDs connected for storage

I'm open to X670E or X870E chipsets, but I want to ensure I'm not overpaying for unnecessary features.

Budget-wise, I’d like to keep it reasonable but don't mind spending extra for quality VRMs and future-proofing. Wi-Fi is optional since I use a wired connection.

Any recommendations or experiences with solid motherboards that fit these criteria?
 
Probably avoid asrock
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Thread 'Issues and sudden failures with certain ASRock boards and Ryzen 9800x3D pair.'

Came across this reddit post today where a user has been tracking a number of failures on ASRock motherboards paired with a 9800x3D. He links a number of such posts for evidence and ASRock supposedly has been refusing to acknowledge the issue and denying the issues as isolated incidents.

Sharing this here so ASRock users can be aware and report the problem immediately and future buyers can reconsider other options till ASRock offers a fix. If a fix is offered or ASRock offers any other solution such as RMA/refund, I will share an update on this post/thread.

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sanz1112 said:
Hey everyone,
I'm planning a build around the Ryzen 7 9800X3D and need some advice on choosing the best motherboard. There are so many options with chipsets that it is really confusing.
Searched on Internet, atleast now I know that X870E is the most high end, however prices are all over the place. You can find expensive B650, B850 as well.

Here are my key requirements:

PCIe 5.0 support for GPU (future-proofing for next-gen graphics cards)

At least one PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot for high-speed NVMe storage

4-6 SATA III ports since I have multiple HDDs connected for storage

I'm open to X670E or X870E chipsets, but I want to ensure I'm not overpaying for unnecessary features.

Budget-wise, I’d like to keep it reasonable but don't mind spending extra for quality VRMs and future-proofing. Wi-Fi is optional since I use a wired connection.

Any recommendations or experiences with solid motherboards that fit these criteria?
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X870E isn't really needed, unless you need the extra lanes. I would get a decently priced, good quality X870, and get this, and call it a day :

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Buy Gigabyte X870 Eagle WIFI7 Motherboard - Computech Store

Buy Gigabyte X870 Eagle WIFI7 Motherboard at Best Price in India from Computech it can be yours only for ₹22,399.00 with Shipping Pan India, EMI Options available, Gaming Pc, Laptops and Many More at one store.
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Most of the boards have an issue where.. if you put a m2 pcie5 ssd in the first slot the gpu slot gets cut down to x8 instead of the full x16.. now whether that will make performance lose idk, you'll have to do some research or maybe someone else here share if they know more about that.

So a pcie 5 slot x16 pcie 5 gpu should be doable by all boards.. but with an pcie5 ssd in the first slot in gen 5 mode.. probably not. You'll have to buy one of the top end boards if you want to run a gen 5 ssd and gen 5 gpu both at full speeds on the same board.

Good news is pcie 5 ssd's arent really that much better cost wise or performance wise vs pcie gen 4.

A friend of mine has a gigabyte board and it seems u can update your bios via there software lol, so that feature alone is probably why gigabyte is worth it.

However i personally like Asus's bios the best, ive been using ASUS boards for ahwile so i'm a little biased.
 
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Most of the boards have an issue where.. if you put a m2 pcie5 ssd in the first slot the gpu slot gets cut down to x8 instead of the full x16.. now whether that will make performance lose idk, you'll have to do some research or maybe someone else here share if they know more about that.
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AFAIK, for X870 boards, using the primary 5.0 NVMe does not result in any bandwidth reduction. The problem stems from the USB 4 controller, which consumes x4 PCIe lanes, and is attached to the chipset, not the CPU. Thus, you can still have 2 PCIE Gen 5 m.2 from the CPU directly. This is the limitation of the X870 chipset. Manufacturers, however, for cheaper X870s, may cut corners to allow the use of a single 5.0 NVMe slot, before the bandwidth or the primary GPU x16 slot is cut into 4.0x8. So check the documentation of the specific motherboard you are looking at.

I use an X870 Aorus Elite. I can use 2 of the 5.0 NVMe slots without reducing GPU bandwidth. Since I use 3 drives, it cuts my GPU's bandwidth to 4.0x8. This is essentially due to the X870 using a single Promontory 21 chip vs the X870E, which uses 2.


As far as GPU performance loss is concerned, it will hardly make a difference. PCIe 4.0x8 is essentially PCIe 3.0x16. Even with a 5090, that results in a loss of 1-4%

 
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20k i'm not sure but a little more than that, the world opens up. Avoid asrock with that cpu. I got X870 pro rs used for my build but I'm running a non x3d. This matx is all you need if building mff pc...
 
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sanz1112 said:
Hey everyone,
I'm planning a build around the Ryzen 7 9800X3D and need some advice on choosing the best motherboard. There are so many options with chipsets that it is really confusing.
Searched on Internet, atleast now I know that X870E is the most high end, however prices are all over the place. You can find expensive B650, B850 as well.

Here are my key requirements:

PCIe 5.0 support for GPU (future-proofing for next-gen graphics cards)

At least one PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot for high-speed NVMe storage

4-6 SATA III ports since I have multiple HDDs connected for storage

I'm open to X670E or X870E chipsets, but I want to ensure I'm not overpaying for unnecessary features.

Budget-wise, I’d like to keep it reasonable but don't mind spending extra for quality VRMs and future-proofing. Wi-Fi is optional since I use a wired connection.

Any recommendations or experiences with solid motherboards that fit these criteria?
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this might come in handy , https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-y_6hv8sPs/edit?gid=2064683589#gid=2064683589
(it has gotten better as they have separated E and Non E sections now)
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At least one PCIe 5.0 M.2 slot for high-speed NVMe storage
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yeah, good gen 4 drives are more than enough for most people while generating less heat
(its like 4g vs 5g in USA, point being we have reached to a point beyond that things gets niche quickly )

sanz1112 said:
4-6 SATA III ports since I have multiple HDDs connected for storage
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on positive note x670 boards tend to have 4 sata (on negative side that's lower than past boards, i am looking at you asus)

sanz1112 said:
don't mind spending extra for quality VRMs and future-proofing.
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yeah, hardware unboxed's mobo round videos on am5 will come in handy
unless you are going for extreme overclocking you are safe for the next 4-5yrs if not for more years easily.

sanz1112 said:
Wi-Fi is optional since I use a wired connection.
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for the specs you mentioned, you will probably get it with mobo anyways.
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more importantly - the south bridge/chipset.
symptom - high temp by chipset ; like above 60C without doing/running anything on machine and keeps rising till 76-78C (winter temps).
(HWinfo refers to as PCH temp)
cuz - sometimes in delivery cuz of shitty handling during delivery the heat sinks on south bridge can become loose resulting in lower contact area with heat-pads.
solution - properly tightning the screws on that heatsink or you can add thermal paste between chipset and heatsink then properly tighten the heatsink (but dont overtight it)
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i remember someone saying, MSI gaming x670 gaming plus is enough and spending for mobos above it isnt worth it for most people.
ngl it makes a good reference data point (not a mobo recommendation a recommendation as reference data point spec related, more pcb layers help imo).
i wish i had found that text sooner. so sharing it.
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the max ram supported - this part is weird mobos can handle ram amount beyond the mentioned one (even the QVL lists agrees) it is upto the bios updates i guess, cuz even many cpus can support ram amount beyond the ones they advertised, my point being dont take the max ram support listed in the excel sheet/on websites too seriously.
but try to stick/stay with 2 ram sticks over 4 ram sticks
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asrock has the fastest boot times for am5, atleast thats what people say, i say yeah few minutes shouldnt bother anyone then again brands have come with finniky solutions which work or better bios or there are some tips available here and on yt.

- my two cents
 
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k660 said:
this might come in handy , https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...-y_6hv8sPs/edit?gid=2064683589#gid=2064683589
(it has gotten better as they have separated E and Non E sections now)
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This was very helpful, this sheet is a godsend for comparing boards and chipsets feature including available Rear IO and front headers and even Audio codecs.
PunkX 75 said:
X870E isn't really needed, unless you need the extra lanes. I would get a decently priced, good quality X870, and get this, and call it a day :

computechstore.in

Buy Gigabyte X870 Eagle WIFI7 Motherboard - Computech Store

Buy Gigabyte X870 Eagle WIFI7 Motherboard at Best Price in India from Computech it can be yours only for ₹22,399.00 with Shipping Pan India, EMI Options available, Gaming Pc, Laptops and Many More at one store.
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Yes x870E is really expensive. But I found out that X870E is same as X670E + USB 4. So getting a X670E for a cheaper price may be wise here ? As I would get all the lanes that comes with having 2 Promontory-21 chips and USB 4 is not a feature for which I'm willing to pay more, extra PCI-Ex lanes however may come handy in future. Cheapest X670E board I could find is this


What do you think ?
 
sanz1112 said:
This was very helpful, this sheet is a godsend for comparing boards and chipsets feature including available Rear IO and front headers and even Audio codecs.

Yes x870E is really expensive. But I found out that X870E is same as X670E + USB 4. So getting a X670E for a cheaper price may be wise here ? As I would get all the lanes that comes with having 2 Promontory-21 chips and USB 4 is not a feature for which I'm willing to pay more, extra PCI-Ex lanes however may come handy in future. Cheapest X670E board I could find is this


What do you think ?
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Yes, X870E is essentially X670E and X870 being similar to B650E (both sans mandatory USB 4, which frees up more lanes). Go with the board you've listed, it's a very decent one, for the price, especially. You also get both Prom 21 chips.
 
PunkX 75 said:
Yes, X870E is essentially X670E and X870 being similar to B650E (both sans mandatory USB 4, which frees up more lanes). Go with the board you've listed, it's a very decent one, for the price, especially. You also get both Prom 21 chips.
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Yeah but there are few problems with this board. This is 6 Layer Board and also comes with ALC897 audio codec which I read somewhere is really inferior ? Does this Audio codec thing really makes a difference ? Also any issues with 6 Layer vs 8 Layer PCB ?
 
sanz1112 said:
Does this Audio codec thing really makes a difference ? Also any issues with 6 Layer vs 8 Layer PCB ?
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  1. Audio - unless you're an audiophile, hardly matters. Even then, even high-end boards don't have anything worth talking about. Just get a DAC
  2. PCB - Marketing BS that means almost nothing for a consumer. If you are the one designing the motherboard, designing traces becomes easier on a thicker-layered board. If you are the one who's buying it, won't mean jack shit. There is a reason why any (good) tech reviewer hardly (if ever) mentions PCB layers as a parameter.
 
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Also any issues with 6 Layer vs 8 Layer PCB ?
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issues? NO.
do they have differences yes. will it be worth it? that seriously depends on situation you are in. unless you are in tough/constricted situation like me it will be good otherwise it shouldn't matter much.
 
PunkX 75 said:
  1. PCB - Marketing BS that means almost nothing for a consumer. If you are the one designing the motherboard, designing traces becomes easier on a thicker-layered board. If you are the one who's buying it, won't mean jack shit. There is a reason why any (good) tech reviewer hardly (if ever) mentions PCB layers as a parameter.
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Forgot to add this, if you're looking for an actual consumer-related pro for a thicker-layered PCB - It will sometimes help with memory stability if using dual-rank DIMMs in all 4 motherboard slots.
 
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Forgot to add this, if you're looking for an actual consumer-related pro for a thicker-layered PCB - It will sometimes help with memory stability if using dual-rank DIMMs in all 4 motherboard slots.
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I'll anyway be using 2 slots only. But I did read somewhere that thick layered boards could maintain better PCI Ex 5.0 signal integrity. Of course I did not find any source of this and could not find anything related to this from popular media houses and you tubers. So might be complete BS.
 
So I decided to go with X870 and that too with AsRock X870 Steel Legend. I know members here have warned me already to not go with Asrock, But I'm trying to build a complete white build and it's the only motherboard I can find that is white and reasonably priced among the B850, X670E, X870 boards. I hope I do not end with burned 9800X3D. Finger crossed.
 
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So I decided to go with X870 and that too with AsRock X870 Steel Legend. I know members here have warned me already to not go with Asrock, But I'm trying to build a complete white build and it's the only motherboard I can find that is white and reasonably priced among the B850, X670E, X870 boards. I hope I do not end with burned 9800X3D. Finger crossed.
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Great choice, 670e and 870e are out of budget anyways and x870 pro rs is retailing higher than it should, Steel legend is great but do keep in mind that it will not be pure white and greyish. Gigbyte ice could've been other option.
For my white build, I went with Qube 500, Tcreate 6000mhz cl 30, leadex vii xg, X870 pro rs and planning to spray painted gpu shroud and wraith prism to match case.
White shades are different for each component, so that is something to note as well.
 
sanz1112 said:
So I decided to go with X870 and that too with AsRock X870 Steel Legend. I know members here have warned me already to not go with Asrock, But I'm trying to build a complete white build and it's the only motherboard I can find that is white and reasonably priced among the B850, X670E, X870 boards. I hope I do not end with burned 9800X3D. Finger crossed.
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For now I will says that is great choice if not best choice. Why? I will elaborate later. I don't have energy right now.
 
mr824 said:
Great choice, 670e and 870e are out of budget anyways and x870 pro rs is retailing higher than it should, Steel legend is great but do keep in mind that it will not be pure white and greyish. Gigbyte ice could've been other option.
For my white build, I went with Qube 500, Tcreate 6000mhz cl 30, leadex vii xg, X870 pro rs and planning to spray painted gpu shroud and wraith prism to match case.
White shades are different for each component, so that is something to note as well.
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k660 said:
For now I will says that is great choice if not best choice. Why? I will elaborate later. I don't have energy right now.
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Should I be worried about 9800X3D chips failing and burning on AsRock Motherboards ? What do you guys think ?
 
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