Chandrayaan-3 successfully lands on Moon

[TEUser2K1]

@solo_wing
> the return of aid money is now no longer talk of any random UK person.

Reverse colonization and giving them taste of their own medicine may be a solution to their problem.
Africans know how to take up such talks, we Indians mind own business which is not enough for these kind of pathetic people.

 

[n1r0]

I hope you know that some equipment carried by Chandrayaan-3 also comes from NASA and they were only ready to partner with us after we signed the Artemis Accord.

I hope you are aware that the only NASA payload on C3 was a Laser RetroReflector (LRR) which is used to measure distance to moon from Earth (it keeps varying since moon's orbit around us is elliptical). The Apollo mission in 1969, had already placed a LRR where the Eagle landed. If you have a powerful enough laser and a sensitive enough photon detector, you can measure how long light takes to go to the moon and return, and hence calculate the distance.

To suggest that this device was a major factor of our mission success and that the US provided it only after we signed the Artemis Accord is stupidity of the highest order and reflects on your gullibility as a media consumer, and blind follower. Don't believe a random guy on the internet typing stuff disproving you? Good. Here are some dates:

• July 14, 2023 : C3 launched
• June 21, 2023 : India joins Artemis Accord
• July 22, 2019 : Chandrayaan 2 was launched. It carried a LRR from NASA as well

The LRR is not mission critical, or even useable for this mission. It is like planting a milestone marker that tells how far a city is. It is helpful for EVERYONE.


It may have taken us 50+ years, but We. Did. It. That is what is impressive and why the whole world is talking about it. If you're unable to appreciate/recognize the dedication of ISRO, please refrain from downplaying their success by attributing it to foreign powers. We. Did. It

NASA tweets has been kind of reminder to INDIA AND ISRO that we are very well your partner in this success...don't forget.

Space travel is too big an endevour for any one nation. Any significant mission will require the world to come together as one. If for no other reason, then simply because the earth is round and you need multiple ground stations around the world to track & communicate with probes when the origin country is out of Line of Sight. Our own missions depend on the cooperation of ground stations in Brunei, USA, Spain, Chile & Australia. This is a two way bridge. We help them out on their own missions as well.

So instead of having your elected representative stealing the show, let him allow the scientists to have their day and explain how they performed this wonderful feat using indigenous rocket + orbiter + lander + rover + sensors. Worldwide (mutual) communications support.

(I know you will ignore my post and the linked sources and reply with another tangential comment. This post is not for your benefit per se, it is just to prevent others from getting misinformed by you)

Edit: And @JMak I am a huge movie buff too. I can tell exactly where I watched the special premiere (pre release) of that Transformers movie, and exactly where I got rear ended by a car on the way back home, in the middle of the night. So it saddens me to see Indian film makers showing Russian rockets when making a movie about India's Mars Mission because there's no way for them to access high quality images/clips of our own rockets:

Russia's Soyuz rocket:

We are so busy with the illusion of looking cool that we forget we are actually already cool. We have a serious PR problem when it comes to accomplishments. Our own citizens don't know how cool we are. Here's a pic of a poster at Aero India 2019:

Close up:

That right there is a US NAVY FA-18 Hornet. Not an Indian jet at all. Not one official noticed this and said anything? Or is it that the leader is keeping all the PR for himself, there is budget for anyone else? This is an insult to the nation.

 

[Elessar]

I met a paragliding friend in salt lake city, he is a computer nerd like me but i was surprised to see him watching live. I said oh! Chandrayaan. Is it today? He thanked me because he figured out how to properly pronounce Chandrayaan. I explained him that chandra means moon and yaan means voyage. Similarly mangalyaan means voyage to Mars. He said, wow that makes so much sense.

People outside India are really cheering for isro.

I would think: Chandra is moon and yaan is vehicle. So Moon Vehicle. Mangalyaan: Mars vehicle etc. Yatra would be voyage.

 

[Darth Vader]

700 million people living on a barren wasteland, just a little bit bigger than Africa?

It will stay as waste land coz we send rovers once in a while to dig up mud while spending billions of dollars on earth to build statues for imaginary friends and weapons to kill each other. Humanity is too slow & stupid to act beyond that.

 

[solo_wing]

I hope you are aware that the only NASA payload on C3 was a Laser RetroReflector (LRR) which is used to measure distance to moon from Earth (it keeps varying since moon's orbit around us is elliptical). The Apollo mission in 1969, had already placed a LRR where the Eagle landed. If you have a powerful enough laser and a sensitive enough photon detector, you can measure how long light takes to go to the moon and return, and hence calculate the distance.



To suggest that this device was a major factor of our mission success and that the US provided it only after we signed the Artemis Accord is stupidity of the highest order and reflects on your gullibility as a media consumer, and blind follower. Don't believe a random guy on the internet typing stuff disproving you? Good. Here are some dates:

• July 14, 2023 : C3 launched
• June 21, 2023 : India joins Artemis Accord
• July 22, 2019 : Chandrayaan 2 was launched. It carried a LRR from NASA as well

The LRR is not mission critical, or even useable for this mission. It is like planting a milestone marker that tells how far a city is. It is helpful for EVERYONE.

I am aware of that payload and even its functioning too.
What I was not Aware which I admit was of the timing of Artemis Accord.


there was not a single misinformation being forwarded by me. Again stop twisting my words just to make your point.

I will do my Google research on it later

I even admitted on my first post itself that I need to dig in more on this and might be missing something.

Your post beside making your point is also making personal attacks. Stop that .

It may have taken us 50+ years, but We. Did. It. That is what is impressive and why the whole world is talking about it. If you're unable to appreciate/recognize the dedication of ISRO, please refrain from downplaying their success by attributing it to foreign powers. We. Did. It

I did not know where this came from. I am as proud of ISRO as any Indian is today. Stop making it look like I am taking credit from them and giving it all to NASA. Just How deep is NASA's partnership with us on Chandrayaan-3 and signing of Artemis Accords was open for discussion and I was more than happy to be corrected.


I was curious to know Why Russia and China has refused to be part of that when they already part of OuterSpace Treaty and I believe Artemis Accord is based on similar guidelines as OuterspaceTreaty .

Anyways I am not going to waste my time on you either.

You are free to ignore me as I am free to ignore you.

It will stay as waste land coz we send rovers once in a while to dig up mud while spending billions of dollars on earth to build statues for imaginary friends and weapons to kill each other. Humanity is too slow & stupid to act beyond that.

Until we see a big asteroid coming towards us... I dont think Humanity(Big Space Powers) are coming together anytime soon. We will have some partnerships but no real collective effort to move to other planet or nearby celestial body.

 

[kartikoli]

I just watched a video where they were making fun of the landing. I would have commented but they were not wrong, its a shame that we had to put such a bad impression when the whole world was watching. It leaves a bad taste for such a remarkable achievement also the face time of No scientists when the world wanted to hear from them.

Please stick to the topic. If you feel like diverting to another topic (like someone else we know), please start a new thread.

He will come when payment is made to derail a thread.

 

[Darth Vader]

Until we see a big asteroid coming towards us... I dont think Humanity(Big Space Powers) are coming together anytime soon. We will have some partnerships but no real collective effort to move to other planet or nearby celestial body.

OR hostile aliens come up and vaporize a billion humans would do the trick. Universe is too big, that ain't happening. But yes, we bloodthirsty humans need a common enemy from outside to unite.

 

[ibose]

But yes, we bloodthirsty humans need a common enemy from outside to unite.

You should suffice

 

[solo_wing]

Beyond words.....the moment when it comes out and you can see Indian Flag on it.

 

[TEUser2K1]

@n1r0
Chandrayan-1 carried NASA's Moon Minerology Mapper (M3) which helped confirm the discovery of water locked in minerals on the Moon. The orbiter also released an impactor that was deliberately crashed into the Moon, releasing debris that was anyalyzed by the orbiting spacecraft's science instruments. At that time, there was discussions about some reluctance from them acknowledging Chandrayan-1's role in the finding, which they made up later.
Artemis innocuous femochist name does not inspire much too, kind of trap to get people into ?

 

[Mr.J]

It will stay as waste land coz we send rovers once in a while to dig up mud while spending billions of dollars on earth to build statues for imaginary friends and weapons to kill each other. Humanity is too slow & stupid to act beyond that.

It will stay wasteland because it has no magnetic field without which there can't be atmosphere.

Please try to understand actual science instead of following 'i love science' facebook pages or instagram accounts.

 

[Darth Vader]

It will stay wasteland because it has no magnetic field without which there can't be atmosphere.

Please try to understand actual science instead of following 'i love science' facebook pages or instagram accounts.

LISTEN SCIENTIST, my point was not to be scientifically accurate as i don't qualify nor pretend to be one like many self-proclaimed experts here, but to give an opinion on how much we would have achieved/progressed if it wasn't for stupid fairytale beliefs and resources wasted to satisfy the hiveminds. If its not possible on MARS, we could've attempted to land on any other moon that is habitable within our solar system in the last 50 years.

I'm sure you know what i was saying,but you'd to act like you're the smartest in the room OR you just one of those who believe in fairytales and got offended.

 

[n1r0]

And yeah, expecting humans to work together is a fairy tale. Otherwise climate change wouldn't be a problem.

We already are. Humanity has collectively decided to use fossil fuel and is unified in increasing pollution to unprecendented levels that will destroy the planet. We got the right spirit, but the wrong method. Heck even religions have united in using satellite tech to reach their worldwide audience.

 

[solo_wing]

This mission has not only done a lot for India in Space but also laid a groundwork for next generation to start dreaming big .

 

[blr_p]

7.3m viewers during the isro landing, and as soon as pm started speaking, viewer fell to 4.3m

8m+ as it landed just in ISRO's chatroom. Tens of millions if you consider other media.

Now For people who are blaming Modi for trying to take credit and long speech. Have people forgotten that He was also there when Chandrayaan-2 failed. Also there giving long speech when our scientist team look completely disheartened. I dont think anyone complained then about long speech and Why Modi's face was shoved.

Exactly, very statesmanlike. One of the few we have in the world. People should be grateful we have such a leader.

Imagine if it failed a second time. He was there before the landing. Scientists were quite confident with this one.

Where was RaGa? If Modi can show up when being in Joburg and this guy is in the country I found his absence telling. I thought this was a bipartisan thing. What stopped him from offering congratulations after the PM? Nothing. And all the young people were watching.

To sit and blame the PM when not showing up tells you this opposition needs to remain opposition for some time more.

He is a politician afterall. They all do it across the world. They like to be taking credit too when nation achieves something remarkable.

Some People seem to have made only the negative points for Modi in their mind.

ISRO's budget has increased under his leadership so they could attempt such a feat. That too after a second try. That's what made it feel so good. We didn't make it last time.

Him coming a little later to address would have been very much appreciated but again our politicians run high on taking credits for most of things. It is normal now. They like to be in limelight when remarkable things are happening.

There is a geopolitical significance to succeeding here. Only three others in the world to have a soft landing.

The tech is the same for missiles (weapons) and rockets (space vehicles). Only difference is the payload. Replace the satellite/orbiter/lander payload with a explosives and you get a missile. It really is that simple.

Technically rockets = unguided, like those you fire during Diwali. You can't control it once it's flying.
Add a guidance system to it and it becomes a missile. (There are non-rocket powered missiles too, like cruise missiles)
So that makes space vehicles missiles. You can't really have one without the other.

You forgot the landing bit. With what you said you can create an impact which we did in 2008

Landing is all autopilot because the speed of light isn't fast enough to do last-minute corrections. That's why they call it the seven minutes of terror. To land safely in an area that is more uneven than at lower latitudes is quite an achievement. The Russians were not able to do it and it took a second attempt even for us.

How so many countries (UK in particular) laughed at our intentions...

This has got a lot of play when it was intended as a critique of their govt.

Don't know where he got the model of lander and rover but it's pretty neat. Think he 3D printed them himself

Anchor is a relative of a former Pak army chief.

 

[solo_wing]

8m+ as it landed

Exactly, very statesmanlike. One of the few we have in the world. People should be grateful we have such a leader.

Imagine if it failed a second time. He was there before the landing. Scientists were quite confident with this one.

Where was RaGa? If Modi can show up when being in Joburg and this guy is in the country I found his absence telling. I thought this was an India thing. To sit and blame the PM when not showing up tells you this opposition needs to remain opposition for some time more.

ISRO's budget has increased under his leadership so they could attempt such a feat. That too after a second try. That's what made it feel so good. We didn't make it last time.

There is a geopolitical significance to succeeding here. Only three others in the world to have a soft landing.

I do want to add a lot here but It will derail the thread start a politician discussion.

But I will keep this short and say I have seen everything negative is because of Modi and all but anything positive and good happening in the country and people go ...Why is he taking credit?. It has become a normal thing to do now.

Ofcourse I say this again....Would have been nice if he had kept it short on the landing day and let the Scientist be the star of the day and when he returned....he could have given the long speech like he did couple of days ago after returning from BRICS.

That would have been a very classy thing to do but what he lacks in class he makes up for it by being a leader who supports our team of scientist in their dark days. That Chandrayaan-2 and failure being witnessed live by entire world and standing with this team of failed scientist was a big thing....no one appreciated that it seems ....It was a beautiful moment when he hugged Dr.Kailasavadivu Sivan and let him know the country is with you.


To safe the face of ISRO and Govt. They could have done a less riskier space expedition but the govt. and the scientist did went ahead and let them try again. So that is something to be appreciated too.

 

[blr_p]

USA wanted to do this to stop India as they saw India becoming a powerhouse in launching satellites for lower cost than the west was offering. That was a big loss and also it helped in geopolitical thing as it worked as leverage specially against small countries(gulf).

No, it was to stop the development of ICBMs. There would be no Agni-5 today had they been successful. Security always takes precedence over commerce.

They wanted to roll back our nuclear weapons program. We were not an NPT member.

Edit: also something important to add it was not just sanctions. Our scientist team were also blackmailed and out under false accusations , some of them were offered heavy pay to leave ISRO yet they still choose to serve the country.
Could have just gone abroad ...made almost 5-10 times the money and lived a much better live.

Their patriotism is also worth mentioning.

The efforts to get at our scientists like Nambi Narayanan shows the extent they went to stop us. This is all par for the course if you want to enter the big boys club.

And it begins...
Btw does British still give aids to India?
What aid is she talking about?
As far As I remember India stopped taking aids from UK since Atal Bihari Vajpayee ji time.

For domestic consumption. Internal politics over aid and what it should be for. It isn't a critique of India but the UK gov. The thing is these people do not do their homework. What the UK gives money for and to whom is public.

The aid isn't aid but investment. Investing in Reliance power and infrastructure funds isn't aid. It's also to lobby for UK business interests to generate profits. How can this be called aid?

I remember a similar rant during the MMRCA bidding. The UK was in the race with Eurofigter but after it became clear that Rafale won, PM at the time Cameron went on about how they should not be giving aid to India. Sour grapes that the lobbying efforts came to nought.

Mission Mangalyaan, Nov 2013:
Manmohan Singh didn't appear on TV. ISRO Scientists were given the credit.

Chandrayaan 3, Aug 2023:
Modi's live screen played next to Chandrayaan and Modi gave a speech after the launch.

That's the difference between the Prime Minister and PR Minister.

Why you left out 2019?

The way i see it is if he can expend political capital when we fail then he gets to make it back with interest when we succeed.

 

[solo_wing]

No, it was to stop the development of ICBMs. There would be no Agni-5 today had they been successful. Security always takes precedence over commerce.

They wanted to roll back the nuclear program. We were not an NPT member.

No, it was to stop the development of ICBMs. There would be no Agni-5 today had they been successful. Security always takes precedence over commerce.

They wanted to roll back our nuclear weapons program. We were not an NPT member.

I dont think it was ICBM's . For India ICBM"S would have just been a show of power.
Our major security concerns were CHINA and Pakistan and we just needed enough range to hit them so for us ICBM could have waited.

It definitely more to do with how our space programme was quickly shaping up and we were becoming more closer to Russians and also we were starting to become best and cheapest place to launch satellites.

It was helping us in geopolitics also just like How Israel has leverage over even gulf countries due to its weapon technology . So our Space programmes was looking very promising and a threat to western powers.

 

[blr_p]

Their patriotism and scientific accomplishment has been overshadowed by one single person. There's being a supporting patron and then there's stealing an organization's thunder. Just like all these comments that is taking away from ISRO's accomplishments and diverting it to how supportive a govt. office holder was: that's literally their job. Even the US president didn't overshadow NASA's accomplishment when they put living breathing humans on the moon.

Their achievements were not overshadowed nor was any thunder stolen. Think about it. How could it be?

Your next red herring is about style. Nixon wasn't the showman Modi is. If you recall he had to resign or be thrown out whereas Modi is looking at a third term in office.

I dont think it was ICBM's . For India ICBM"S would have just been a show of power.

Not a show of power. It's a credible threat. One more variable in global instability. You have a nuke program and now you are working on delivering it.

Same deal with Iran btw. Have not tested but not far from it. They worked on rockets because that was their biggest handicap in their war with Iraq in the 80s. Instead of honey traps their scientists get shot. Centrifuges sabotaged. It's more direct with Iran because unlike India they signed the NPT under the Shah.

Our major security concerns were CHINA and Pakistan and we just needed enough range to hit them so for us ICBM could have waited.

The US sees it as less the better. We never agreed to how they allowed China to have what it wanted but somehow we needed to be stopped. It's not fair and we certainly played by those rules. If you notice only the US & Soviets agreed to START. Everybody else went pell-mell developing medium-range ICBMs. That is why the US pulled out of that treaty during Trump's time.

It definitely more to do with how our space programme was quickly shaping up and we were becoming more closer to Russians and also we were starting to become best and cheapest place to launch satellites.'

Why did we take so long to reach the moon? because our rockets do not have the lift. Chinese can lift five times more than our rockets can. Are we really a competitor to SpaceX who can launch ten times more satellites?

When it comes to the US always think of security. Ignore commentators who want to push this economics line. They are clueless.

It was helping us in geopolitics also just like How Israel has leverage over even gulf countries due to its weapon technology . So our Space programmes was looking very promising and a threat to western powers.

The space program is to do with ICBMs. If you can push more into space then you can do the same on earth.

Since we are discussing space here.
Do you guys think we did the right thing signing Artmeis Accords? With USA.

I read Russia and China have not signed.

I will do my Google research on it later but just hoping that we are not being taken for a ride like How USA put tremendous pressure on India to sign CTBT. Thank goodness we did not give in otherwise they would have never let India be a nuclear power.

Watch

Keep in mind we are not in the Artemis program which I think is where your question is alluding to.

the return of aid money is now no longer talk of any random UK person.


BBC and GBN ( mainstream media) asking for India to return the money.

I purposely linked to another video above from the same channel. Very different take isn't it with Andy Lound?

Don't get dragged into this

 

[belictony]

can somebody explain what is the benefit for India to reach this side of Moon or reach Moon at all? Do we get any new tech or its simply R&D expenditure with no real world benefit and a showcase of India?