Health & Fitness Corona is in full swing and its not Joke !

@NotMyRealName
> Oh wait, ram rahim's supporters rioting after the court sentenced him to jail... :banghead:

Considering Ram Rahim managed to castrate at least 400 of his followers to en-masse wealth and other serious crimes, this is nothing.
If you have supporters this brainwashed, what to expect.

@iPwnz
> I don't know what's in the content but we need another source. WION is Zee News-owned media.

Whatever they reported in that video seems to be verifiable to a considerable extend. Though many even may don't want to admit it.
 
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I honestly don't want to get into whether this is a huge global conspiracy etc. but the future looks pretty grim.

www.hindustantimes.com

Top UK epidemiologist warns of 'substantial third wave' of Covid-19 backed by new data modelling

Professor Neil Ferguson, an epidemiologist from Imperial College London, said the estimate for the R number – or the rate of infection – for the Delta variant of concern (VOC) is between 1.5 and 1.6. This means for every 10 people who get the strain, another 15 or 16 people will contract it.
www.hindustantimes.com www.hindustantimes.com

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Maharashtra: Covid deaths not going down as fast as cases, pushing up CFR | Mumbai News - Times of India

Though both Covid cases and deaths are on the decline in the state, the case fatality rate (CFR) is on the rise because fatalities have not fallen as
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com

www.cnbc.com

India reports more than 6,000 daily Covid deaths — highest ever in the world

Health ministry data showed 6,148 deaths were recorded over a 24-hour period, as daily reported cases remained below 100,000 for the third consecutive day.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
iPwnz said:
Not sure of this has been posted before this should be condemned at the highest level. Utter disregard for basic decency and humanity.
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Btw it's not the only place which does fake testing/show fake results. If you know then you know.
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But the govt is saying we're all exaggerating:

indianexpress.com

Extrapolation sans epidemiological evidence: Govt trashes report on higher Covid deaths

"The unsound analysis of the said article is based on the extrapolation of data without any epidemiological evidence," the ministry said, adding the studies used by the magazine to estimate the mortality are not validated tools for determining the death rate of any country or region.
indianexpress.com indianexpress.com
 
India's biggest problem seems to be people's eagerness to escape lock-down which is accelerated by stock market and govt. ineptitude. Extreme lack of testing, public control, etc.

For India, there will be no 2nd and 3rd wave, there will be a continuous wave till it one way or other touches everyone. Especially considering new Delta strain.

Even places where there is strict control, things are difficult.
 
This is a good article, if you could call it that, but very scary

www.bbc.com

Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get?

The coronavirus has changed and changed again, getting more transmissible each time.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

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TEUser2K1 said:
India's biggest problem seems to be people's eagerness to escape lock-down which is accelerated by stock market and govt. ineptitude. Extreme lack of testing, public control, etc.

For India, there will be no 2nd and 3rd wave, there will be a continuous wave till it one way or other touches everyone. Especially considering new Delta strain.

Even places where there is strict control, things are difficult.
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It doesn't exactly have to stop even after say everyone is infected. Because subsequent reinfections can be deadlier than a milder first one, which will make the CFR higher.

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There could be more on the way

www.indiatoday.in

New coronaviruses found in bats amid renewed calls to probe Covid-19 origins

Amid the growing calls to probe into the origins of Covid-19, Chinese researchers have found a new batch of coronaviruses in bats.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

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And this is the scariest of them all. It remains a "conspiracy theory", for now...

theprint.in

China’s Wuhan story unravels as world's finest, including from India, nail Covid lab-leak proof

The global hunt for where the virus behind pandemic came from shows science, democracy and a sense of inquiry can overcome politics, ideology and omerta codes.
theprint.in theprint.in
 
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"Experts" already have forgotten about that elusive short lasting extremely high affinity but non neutralizing antibodies.
This is nothing new, there's a chance of reinfection ( not only reinfection but another cytokine storm) in some patients even by the exact same strain.
How is this a "new discovery"? And who exactly are these "experts" some intensivists with post graduation in anaesthesiology!!??
Why can't India have some more intensivists with MD in general/ respiratory medicine?
Nothing against anaesthesiologists...they are really good with procedures, some aspects of critical care. BUT they just don't understand immune response ( not their fault)
 
@NotMyRealName
> And this is the scariest of them all. It remains a "conspiracy theory", for now...

Some people have concerns about theprint as a news source, though I won't shoot any messenger anyways.
Shows why some so called researchers within scientific community lost credibility within common man.

...And finally, it tells us that science is all about critical thinking. It even questions God or if God exists. That’s why it was particularly dismaying to watch Dr Anthony Fauci say in a TV interview, “if you question me, you question science”. It was almost like claiming scientific divinity. And so unlike the admired scientist he is...

The icing on the top.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
India's biggest problem seems to be people's eagerness to escape lock-down.

For India, there will be no 2nd and 3rd wave, there will be a continuous wave till it one way or other touches everyone. Especially considering new Delta strain.

Even places where there is strict control, things are difficult.
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1. Escaping lock down is struggle for existence for many. An auto driver can't drive his auto remotely. Instead of blaming common people, at least ensure you are feeding five such families with no income due to lockdown.
2. India didn't have any second wave, they had a massive spike...what you're trying to say is an endemic disease. COVID 19 will never be an endemic, there will be outbreaks.
3. If strict lockdown is strict control, it's the least effective method of controlling epidemic.
4.FFS instead of reading news articles, read a simple textbook like Park to have a basic understanding of infective disease epidemiology.
TEUser2K1 said:
...And finally, it tells us that science is all about critical thinking. It even questions God or if God exists. That’s why it was particularly dismaying to watch Dr Anthony Fauci say in a TV interview, “if you question me, you question science”. It was almost like claiming scientific divinity. And so unlike the admired scientist he is...

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If someone like Malone claims he discovered mRNA vaccine and it becomes a fact...be glad that Fauci didn't say he discovered non cardiogenic pulmonary oedema ( that's the definition of ARDS in case you are wondering)
Got any idea of what Fauci did for respiratory medicine?
Malone claimed he tried mRNA transfection in mice in 80s/ early 90s...that's equivalent to saying I was God in early 90s ( it may go way above your head, as wiki seems to be the textbook of genetics to many)
 
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@quaratineinthesejeans
You are very right, India only had just one contiguous wave.
There was a lull in between, but was immediately taken care of those proud morons who were missing morning walks in Mumbai chowpatty, Maldive attention mongers, stock market + media hypes, etc.
Poor and rich both behave irresponsibility, a little caution goes a long way in prevention of this pandemic, but people act as if they effing don't care reminding old proverb 'if my one eye is lost, let neigbor lose both his eyes', this happens a lot. Yep, infected 'Indian poor peeples' in isolated blocks purposefully visiting their neighbors with sole interest to spread it, yes that happens. So, rich are poor are same in their mental poverty sometimes, at least in India.
If Covid19 keep on as a massive spike with rigorous outbreaks everywhere, then won't mind call that an endemic in Indian context.
Lockdown with properly done massive testing and quarantine in effected areas can go a long way.
Books - many well known 'researchers and scientists' already might've done that. Even few in leadership positions. Only problem is how to successfully execute and counter action against this pandemic on the ground in real life, who have the will power to do it - almost none.

@quaratineinthesejeans
As far as Faucci is concerned, he is world's top scientist and researcher and shit.
Yet there are tons of other scientists and researchers who are calling shit on his involvements in this case.
His emails, involvements with Wuhan lab, his directives more fluctuating than WHO's, what not.
Malone, let other scientists and researchers call out his bullshit.
As a common man, just having fun and popcorn is only my part and am doing that with enough caution. :)
 
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TEUser2K1 said:
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Malone, let other scientists and researchers call out his bullshit.
As a common man, just having fun and popcorn is only my part and am doing that with enough caution. :)
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Malone is not even discussed anywhere mate. He is the only one blowing his trumpet in his own website ( wiki just copied everything from his website!!)
Fauci was never really a researcher. He is primarily a pulmonologist and retired before the pandemic.
We have read chapters edited by him ( Harrison's Textbook)
Common man having popcorn with enough caution is the biggest issue in a country like India.
Many common men despite " enough caution" either died or lost everything..unless one common help another, all common men will go so down in this shit hole anytime that no one will be able to pull em up.
 
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TEUser2K1 said:
Yet there are tons of other scientists and researchers who are calling shit on his involvements in this case.
His emails, involvements with Wuhan lab, his directives more fluctuating than WHO's, what not.
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Exactly, people shouldn't be blindly putting these individuals on pedestals. The guy has probably done a dozen flip flops in the past one year. His wife is the hod of bioetchics at NIH, yeah no conflict of interest there.
Anyone who questions or goes even slightly against the narrative is silenced even if they are posting about legit concerns.
This guy who's a pioneer in his field and has worked with the founders of moderna gets silenced for just tweeting about viral shedding.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1403752237059301389

Here's Kary Mullis' opinion of Fauci on virology.
https://www.b**chute.com/video/8KsH34IGgqBw/


Finally this whole situation reminds me of this interview.

 
Group think, cancel culture, corporate cronysm. Tell us that all that don't happen.

> Common man having popcorn with enough caution is the biggest issue in a country like India.

Me, as a common man didn't even venture out of flat's door for nearly one year even for a hair cut.
Food was either prepared home, bought by delivery service or when collected by others who were vaccinated 3months prior to me.
Didn't get to guzzle popcorn though. Beleive me, there are tons of 'common man' like us.

Yes, still got infected with Covid19 within one month of joining office.
Because serious minded morons who have nothing else to do in their life than being self important decided to open offices.
Can't blame govt. a bit here, since they are very strict, for few weeks now free RT-PCR tests, now started testing within huge residential flats without announcement to catch 'non popcorn guzzling' serious poor people who are infected, but higher than others hiding in their homes avoiding testing.
Those infected are provided free quarantine space and treatment, free food, etc. Good quality too.
Still, they prefer to infect others venturing out openly in malls, etc.
So much that govt. now forces expensive fines if you don't have proof testing in your mobile app. Testing is is free every 7 days !

Still can see infected people traveling venture outside, arguing with others.

You know what, this is how you get equal disdain for 'poor people', some nefarious scientists, researchers, some utopians without real-world life experience alike. Especially when those who we call 'conspiritards' come out right proving nefarious scientists and researchers false many times !
 
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Today is possibly the last Sunday
TEUser2K1 said:
From: Jill Glasspool Malone, PhD, President, RW Malone MD LLC

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This is possibly the worst cringe EVER...His wife wrote a letter for Malone.
Since she's a PhD too, it's expected that she is aware of hybrid mRNA, which she very conveniently forgot to mention.
What kind of a person let his wife write a letter about his PTSD after some rejection!!
PTSD after paper rejection!! Both of them don't have the slightest idea about PTSD.
Karikó was demoted to junior research fellow after her Wisconsin project was closed.
She fought 15 years to perfect the technology silently.
Buddy, a lower middle class Bengali like me who never had a new book till completing MD in medicine managed to get a second MD through one of the toughest entrance exam in the world (twice) and did MPH ( AIIHPH) and PhD ( ICMR) simultaneously.
I have some idea about the academic world, pain of rejection.
If you have full access to Google scholar download each and every article of Malone and Karikó/ Weissman...almost 10 years of Karikó's work had been rejected. Her husband had a cancer scare at that time..she never begged for any recognition.
In the world of academia respect is earned by quality of work, not emotional bullshit.
Yes, I'm proud of my work on addiction...don't give a shit if I have a Wikipedia page or not. Our Bucharest paper is still mentioned in all substance abuse seminars and that's the biggest reward ( beside being mentioned in the first book of Gabor)
What does Malone know about PTSD!??
Getting fame riding on other's work is his only motive ( plus some stupid 3 hours podcast)
Why doesn't he show up any of WHO's inyernal panel discussion on vaccines? Karikó does everytime..
 
> don't give a shit if I have a Wikipedia page or not.

See, don't care a thing about the whole hullabaloo, as far as you are concerned, have a page at Wikipedia.

Have seen exactly the same comment by someone on Wikipedia about Robert W Malone himself not having a page there !

Don't know how all this works, but world is a irrational place many times.
 
TEUser2K1 said:
Group think, cancel culture, corporate cronysm. Tell us that all that don't happen.

> Common man having popcorn with enough caution is the biggest issue in a country like India.

Me, as a common man didn't even venture out of flat's door for nearly one year even for a hair cut.
Food was either prepared home, bought by delivery service or when collected by others who were vaccinated 3months prior to me.
Didn't get to guzzle popcorn though. Beleive me, there are tons of 'common man' like us.

Yes, still got infected with Covid19 within one month of joining office.
Because serious minded morons who have nothing else to do in their life than being self important decided to open offices.
Can't blame govt. a bit here, since they are very strict, for few weeks now free RT-PCR tests, now started testing within huge residential flats without announcement to catch 'non popcorn guzzling' serious poor people who are infected, but higher than others hiding in their homes avoiding testing.
Those infected are provided free quarantine space and treatment, free food, etc. Good quality too.
Still, they prefer to infect others venturing out openly in malls, etc.
So much that govt. now forces expensive fines if you don't have proof testing in your mobile app. Testing is is free every 7 days !

Still can see infected people traveling venture outside, arguing with others.

You know what, this is how you get equal disdain for 'poor people', some nefarious scientists, researchers, some utopians without real-world life experience alike. Especially when those who we call 'conspiritards' come out right proving nefarious scientists and researchers false many times !
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Which country are you in? Somewhere in middle East? Certainly doesn't sound like EU/ US. No government in EU has the audacity to ask for proof of vaccination yet from a citizen.
Middle East is not really known for any public health achievement ( even India way ahead)
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> don't give a shit if I have a Wikipedia page or not.

See, don't care a thing about the whole hullabaloo, as far as you are concerned, have a page at Wikipedia.

Have seen exactly the same comment by someone on Wikipedia about Robert W Malone himself not having a page there !

Don't know how all this works, but world is a irrational place many times.
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My wife does still have a wiki page. Where my name is in red..don't know when/ who created and deleted/ edited things without any consent whatsoever.
I'm sorry if my posts offended you ( it's mostly my poor English..wish I could write in Czech here)
Yeh mera aakhri Sunday in India ( possibly in this lifetime) seriously kisi ko hurt nehi karna cheh ta hoon. And possibly the last few days in this forum too ( bohot kaam baki hain doston)
Yeh Indian study publish hone ki baad there will be hell to pay...pata hain mujhe..but never took any shit from anyone ( even from Czech PM, Bengal CM etc.) and never will. Just hoping 56 incher doesn't tag me as Pakistani terrorist.
What happened to India in last 3 months has never happened before ( death/ day was much higher than holocaust...and that's basically the paper with pin point accurate statistics with more than a million of death certificates...lot of work)
 
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@NotMyRealName
> And this is the scariest of them all. It remains a "conspiracy theory", for now...

Some people have concerns about theprint as a news source, though I won't shoot any messenger anyways.
Shows why some so called researchers within scientific community lost credibility within common man.

...And finally, it tells us that science is all about critical thinking. It even questions God or if God exists. That’s why it was particularly dismaying to watch Dr Anthony Fauci say in a TV interview, “if you question me, you question science”. It was almost like claiming scientific divinity. And so unlike the admired scientist he is...

The icing on the top.
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Theprint is not the source. He has listed his 2-3 different sources in his article (Wade, Eban, the Pune couple etc.)

TEUser2K1 said:
There was a lull in between, but was immediately taken care of those proud morons who were missing morning walks in Mumbai chowpatty, Maldive attention mongers, stock market + media hypes, etc.
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Also, people going for morning walks in isolation do not spread the virus. It's people going to offices, using public transport, basically lack of social distancing. Morning walkers are the most socially distanced. Even more than people sitting at home.
 
@quaratineinthesejeans
> I'm sorry if my posts offended you ( it's mostly my poor English..wish I could write in Czech here)

As mentioned earlier, your opinions are taken in high esteem, you didn't hurt anybody.
Hope my occasional snark helped you realize there are kind of wayward people like me around. Damn sure other than that, discussions with me is irritating time pass only. :)

As usual will look forward to your intriguing studies, surely India is a compelling place in every way, not just for miseries alone.

> Middle East is not really known for any public health achievement ( even India way ahead)

There are isolated pockets where this can be a misunderstanding.

@NotMyRealName

Mumbai even don't have living space for a human to live with self respect and you are talking about people caring about social distancing there while on morning walks. May be happens in morning walks in front of TV channels.
 
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TEUser2K1 said:
> Middle East is not really known for any public health achievement ( even India way ahead)

There are isolated pockets where this can be a misunderstanding.
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Kya bol raha hai bhai!!
Misunderstanding from my end about middle East's public health or health infrastructure in general in that region!!
https://www.relocatemagazine.com/articles/10-things-to-know-about-medical-treatment-in-dubai
This is the common perception.
Aap bhul gaye ho, main ek organisation ke sath 10 saal se ooper kaam kar raha hoon and been to Dubai, Abu Dhabi etc.at least 50 times and fully aware that those 2 places are in 2nd and 3rd place for medical tourism after Jordan.
But those are just a projected image...we have collected random swabs from CTVS OTs from Dubai, Latifa, Hatta and Latif. Believe it or not, each sample grew the worst possible bacilli!!
Making 7 star hotels and calling them hospitals may fool 99 percent of doctors from US/ EU, but not us, the doctors for the poorest of poors ( but trained in the absolute best facilities)
I'm not going to waste any time on DOHMS, but it's easily worse than the pathetic Medical Council of India ( thankfully abolished)
Due to political issues, we don't speak much about middle East. But don't get fooled by the bling blings bandhu!!
The medical education system there is worse than Nigeria, the health system is dependent upon 2nd class doctors from Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, doctors with suspended licences from US/ EU ( imagine getting suspended from NHS!! It's one of the hardest thing to do...mess up in NHS to be blacklisted)
I can go real deep in this particular matter and expose the completely hollow medical system in most of middle East with just 3 papers (now taken down from NEJM)
Yeh hi humara kaam hai bandhu...warn NABH and JCI about taking too much bribes and declaring hotels as hospitals.
Jitna man chahe WHO ko gali do...if we completely stop working for 2 weeks, even Trump will understand what exactly it does and why CDC etc. itni gali deni ki bad bhi direct panga nehi le sakta hai.
We are not very highly skilled, certainly not rich or powerful but VALUE HUMAN LIFE AND DIGNITY above everything else.
That's our ONLY strength, only goal. Powerful government/ organisations have threatened us, even killed some of us, but nothing has changed as money was never a motivation.
Can you name one organisation where history of drug addiction is considered as a major strength? That's WHO my friend. We invented public health and obviously can see through bullshit.
 
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TEUser2K1 said:
Mumbai even don't have living space for a human to live with self respect and you are talking about people caring about social distancing there while on morning walks. May be happens in morning walks in front of TV channels.
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I'm not in Bombay right now but another similarly crowded and congested city and I've always been able to take my regular walks without having to run into other people. At the most move aside to the other end of the sidewalk. It just takes a bit of planning your route and time.

Unless you think that people passing each other even 6 feet away will infect with the corona!
 
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