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superczar
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Udit, Now don't take it otherwise, but here is my take on this
Technically, even though you are not in the wrong (as it's the buyer's responsibility to do his homework before the purchase)
Yet, given your reputation and standing on TE, the buyer may have taken your word on it as the conclusion of his research
Now the buyer is having issues since it does not work for his intended purpose on Vista, post which he discovers that the Vista drivers are buggy for this particular make/model
Now for a second, assume I am the buyer, and I would sure feel aggrieved because I trusted you and took what you said as the final word on the card's capabilities
So even though you aren't technically in the wrong (since I assume you did not realize or know that the card has limited capabilities on Vista), I think it would be honorable for you to accept the card back
Anyway, the final call is yours, but I maintain that a refund would be the right (and ethical) course of action for you
Dear Cranky
Thank you for your analysis of the problem. I am also aware of why the Burst happens during bootup. It happened with me with Asus onboatd Azalia codecs. My point was to fix it.
I think you have not read what I have mentioned. If you can please read back, I had mentioned I did a clean install of Vista but the problem persists?
I would love to wait and see how u find conflicts in Vista? Let me see if U know something better than me in finding and resolving conflicts. A card compatible on XP was working fine in Vista 64 bit. Thats enough information for a buyer to believe that it will work in Vista 32 bit. 64 bit drivers are more troublesome than 32 bit.
The reason this feedback thread is in place is not to accuse him but make people aware of what has happened with both of us.
I agree we could have handled things in a better way but all this happened at the spur of the moment. It also proves we both are short tempered and need to manage our temperament better.
Let me know whwn you are in Kolkata. Wanna learn new things from you for sure.
Thank you for your analysis of the problem. I am also aware of why the Burst happens during bootup. It happened with me with Asus onboatd Azalia codecs. My point was to fix it.
I think you have not read what I have mentioned. If you can please read back, I had mentioned I did a clean install of Vista but the problem persists?
I would love to wait and see how u find conflicts in Vista? Let me see if U know something better than me in finding and resolving conflicts. A card compatible on XP was working fine in Vista 64 bit. Thats enough information for a buyer to believe that it will work in Vista 32 bit. 64 bit drivers are more troublesome than 32 bit.
The reason this feedback thread is in place is not to accuse him but make people aware of what has happened with both of us.
I agree we could have handled things in a better way but all this happened at the spur of the moment. It also proves we both are short tempered and need to manage our temperament better.
Let me know whwn you are in Kolkata. Wanna learn new things from you for sure.
satanofgamers
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@ girish ive been going to udits place almost 3ice a month for the past year or so and i can tell you for a fact that the sound card was working perfectly without bugs on his vista 64bit without any problems... and the card was working till the date he removed it and installed his xfi. im not trying to take any sides here just confirming what udit told u about the card wokring on his vista for 1.8years. anyways best of luck to both of u for sunday... Also he is very very fussy about his pc as its his lifeline he cannot stay still for 2 secnds if something would go wrng with it and i feel sorry for him for the fact that he will hve to go through the ordeal on sunday and i just hope tht everything goes smoothly with his pc for his sake....
BIKeINSTEIN
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Is that sarcasm??girish78 said:
Well, if it is- and you imply u r very good at resolving conflicts,
Remember you called me one morning-
No net all night.
lan port not detected in device manager.
Tried 4-6 hours or more
I was like does it even show up in there when working :ashamed: - never checked as it worked.
Then you reboot pc and it's there and net works.
And you said - Bikey you are God or what- i called you and it works- i swear i tried everything but couldn't get it working till now. :rofl:
I brought up this convo not to take sides girish.
But when one is in trouble or needs help, one has to be open to all suggestions, no matter if they are n00b or guru.
And your reply to cranky didn't seem friendly to me, no matter what you say now.
And i have always maintained i am a dawg- nothing more, nothing less.
Quite convincing but an assumption nonetheless.girish78 said:
Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups you know.
Your choice of words, especially the thread title, made it seem so otherwise.girish78 said:
Udit was adamant initially too but you seemed a bit too impulsive too and kinda accusing as if he sold you a dead card and intentionally too.
ome days later, when you ar in a happy and peaceful mood, read the thread and think again.
You are frustarted and i totally sympathise, but others reading this are calm and will be in a better position to interpret words posted here.
Now you have gone ahead and declared i am taking sides, you trusted me but i am not worth it, ... :no:
You both need to grow up imho and age or physical size has nothing to do with it.girish78 said:
This thread was just brought to my notice. If any of you don't know Udit here, please DO NOT be mislead by the title of the thread. It sets an extremely negative tone for an amazingly positive guy. This comes from knowing this fella for quite a long time. Ok now enought of that.
As for the sound card. I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN AND TWEAKED ITS SETTINGS AND HAVE SEEN UMPTEEN MOVIES AND MUSIC BEING PLAYED ON IT AS WELL AS A LARGE NUMBER OF GAMES AND TILL THE LAST DAY THAT I SAW IT THE CARD WAS FLAWLESS.
So instead of making blind accusations please try and resolve this in a more civilised manner. I can vouch for the guy and say that if Udit is at fault he will not think twice before refunding the money to you. So dont do a character assassination and try to reason with him with some logic, anyway I'm hoping things will come out a lot more clear this weekend.
As for the sound card. I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN AND TWEAKED ITS SETTINGS AND HAVE SEEN UMPTEEN MOVIES AND MUSIC BEING PLAYED ON IT AS WELL AS A LARGE NUMBER OF GAMES AND TILL THE LAST DAY THAT I SAW IT THE CARD WAS FLAWLESS.
So instead of making blind accusations please try and resolve this in a more civilised manner. I can vouch for the guy and say that if Udit is at fault he will not think twice before refunding the money to you. So dont do a character assassination and try to reason with him with some logic, anyway I'm hoping things will come out a lot more clear this weekend.
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superczar said:
@superczar, if Funky or some some other reputed over clocker member puts up a CPU for sale indicating that it did 4.0GHz, does this imply that the he is guaranteeing 4GHz to anyone who buys it and should he be held responsible if it does not. Its always up to the buyer to do his research thoroughly before buying something and thoroughly testing the product before replying back to the seller that the product is working. Any statement made by the seller is just an indication and not a guarantee unless specifically stated as such.
Though I sympathize with you Girish, its purely due to your rushing the deal and rushing the feedback to Udit that you are is in your current predicament. When we are talking with about computer hardware, problems do happen. Had you done your research before hand, you would have known that the card had limited support on Vista and avoided purchasing the card. Even if you bought it, had you tested the card thoroughly before giving your feedback back to Udit that its working, you might have avoided this hassle.
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@girish....
if possible... try to get the card checked in some other system...and wid some other sound system too...(that is...if u havent done it already)
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@girish....
if possible... try to get the card checked in some other system...and wid some other sound system too...(that is...if u havent done it already)
:O i never thought this dispute will go this long, by now i guess everythin must hv got cleared as both parties will be testing on sunday, i would still prefer to get the title of thread changed, its making udit look like a bad guy without any serious reason, n one thing more reading through the thread made me feel TE is like family , all fellas just came out to sort the issues, feeling proud 2 b a member of this gaint TE family:clap:
Yes it was my mistake to have trusted Udit's word. I did not do research. I admit my mistake. I dont believe anyone who tells me that the card has worked fine. I have lost trust . I am sorry to say that but thats the fact. Till the time I see the card in action with my own eyes I am not gonna believe a single word.
Bike yes its right I called you to say ur god. I said that as it started working fine. I did try and technically troubleshoot. U seemed lucky for me. Not that you technically helped me fix that particular problem.
It seems ur very picky with whatever I told u. Good to see u have a good memory. Maybe u remembered them to use them in situations like these. I am not sure...so maybe. One more thing Bike. TE is not a bad place to trade. Its that some old people who are not good, trustworthy enough to trade with. TE is just awesome. There are some people who make it awesome place to trade and some who make it a crap place to trade.
Only three people will be on Udit's place on Sunday. Me, Madmaniac and Udit and his family members. Poeple who are not related to this deal should visit later after the testing has been done. I hope I have made myself clear.
Bike yes its right I called you to say ur god. I said that as it started working fine. I did try and technically troubleshoot. U seemed lucky for me. Not that you technically helped me fix that particular problem.
It seems ur very picky with whatever I told u. Good to see u have a good memory. Maybe u remembered them to use them in situations like these. I am not sure...so maybe. One more thing Bike. TE is not a bad place to trade. Its that some old people who are not good, trustworthy enough to trade with. TE is just awesome. There are some people who make it awesome place to trade and some who make it a crap place to trade.
Only three people will be on Udit's place on Sunday. Me, Madmaniac and Udit and his family members. Poeple who are not related to this deal should visit later after the testing has been done. I hope I have made myself clear.
girish78 said:
If you were aware of the reason for the sound, why did you make such a big deal out of it? Specially since you already knew it was normal behaviour for most soundcards. You knew that, right? You knew that a card which would not have this issue could be spotted with just a photograph, didn't you? Then if Udit posted the pic of the card, it should be pretty clear that certain parts that prevent the pop at startup did never exist on it. since you already knew all of this, why was the pop a surprise?
As it happens I don't, so all the best
I don't have money to throw away, so I don't own a copy of Vista. You might want to write to Microsoft support to find out how to look at the resources in Vista. But you might not need to, seeing as you're totally sorted. So this entire thread is based on an assumption you made?
I will be back end of April. However you seem to be totally sorted out, and it looks like there's things I can learn from you. Resource management in Vista, and a few new things about soundcards. I hope to see you then
As for my take this whole issue, both of you are miffed at each other pretty bad. You because you paid money for a product that is not working for you, and Udit because he's sold you something that was working for him and he (probably) thinks you've gone and messed up the card in the time it was with you.
In my mind, the solution is to first take the card back and satisfy him that it is in the exact same condition that you bought it in. There are a few members that are vouching for its proper operation, that word will have to stand - that it indeed was working when he sold it to you. After this is done, you may then want to see how best to get it working for you, if it indeed is working fine in his system.
Writing to the manufacturer is always an option, and asking Microsoft for support (seriously) will get the obvious issues sorted out. There may be specific driver revisions that will work for you, among other things.
However you guys need to sort it out between yourselves. Involving the whole forum is not productive, and things have gotten very angry around here. I think there is sufficient warning for people - test items before you buy, try and negotiate for a little testing time (I try to accomodate as far as possible, not always possible) on your system, and once you say it's OK, it's OK! That's about it.
Trading anywhere is a risk - accept that. I think there are some terrible solutions proposed on this thread - one that will risk banning Udit from Ebay (I think someone said Ebay dispute) and possibly legal action. What will that achieve? I'll have you know I once lost 15,000 rupees on a E-deal, made outside Ebay as I was desperate to save money and fell into the hands of an expert scamster.
So as long as you know you've not done anything with the card except for install it, you are in the clear. Keep us posted on what happens. Meanwhile, I would suggest a change of the thread title: "Auzentech Xplosion 7.1 crackling in Vista 32 bit" is my suggestion, it may actually help a lot more, and you may get some answers, or someone with the same problem as you could find the thread in Google in a few days.
Good luck
Edit: Hey, I invited the East Bengal team to Udit's house on Sunday. You mean they can't come? Awww. It would've been so nice!
Edited Edit: Dude you need a spellchecker. Firefox is compatible with Vista last I checked, and it has a built-in spell checker.
Edited again: How come you have a say on who and how many people will assemble at his house? The attitude baffles me. What is this, something out of Agatha Christie??? @Udit: Relax ya, don't get so worried about people trying to sabotage your stuff. It'll be all fine, and it's your house, so you are free to have anyone you like there, and I trust you will be fair to Girish and allow him to get one or two people he likes/trusts as it is not neutral territory.
girish78 said:
Wow! :O That attitude will take you far. Of course propelled with kinetic energy applied to gluteus maximus.
I have had several problems with 32-bit drivers which went away with 64-bit drivers.
I thought this thread was here to get you a refund or another product of equal value.
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