Market Feedback Deal with "ironman"

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For now, this is just to keep updates and put things on the table as it's possible that he's genuinely busy or whatever.

Here is the deal thread (which he has closed).

http://www.techenclave.com/members-market/nokia-5800-amazing-offer-166211.html

I had made an online transfer to him which he confirmed later on 12th May via SMS. He has not sent/replied to a single one of my PM on TE after I initiated transfer. A day or two later he says that he cannot ship the mobile and will refund (again SMS), I PM'd him account details and he asked me to SMS them so I did. He said he will do cash deposit the next day (14th, Friday). He never did, I contacted him and he said he has done online transfer and should be with me soon. He hasn't been replying to my PM's on TE for a few days now, but since today he's not taking my calls too. I do not suspect foul play yet, but need things on the forum and he has closed the main thread.

Question: In situations like these, if buyer does not get refund and files an FIR, the seller will have to come to the buyer's city for the hearing right? whether or not the case is proved. (this is jsut a curious question.. I dont intend to file and FIR on ironman just yet...lol).

EDIT (May 17 4:00 PM): He just sent me an SMS saying he cant take my calls right now and will call back. He says the transfer was done using HDFC on Saturday.
 
^ there was a problem with HDFC servers on last saturday , 15th May 2010 .

However, ask him to send the proof of the refund ...
 
I was concerned because I have 2 NEFT transfers initiated "after" he claims he has, and the amount is in my account for both. Maybe HDFC is the problem, will wait for him to respond.
 
He was active here today before this thread was started .
please send him the link of this thread and ask to respond here !

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mayanksahni said:
If he genuinely transfered the money on saturday using NEFT then it might reach u by tomorrow.
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Well I hope you are right here :)

And yes, i have sent him a PM again with a link to this thread. Just to keep things on the forum. I would appreciate if he posted here and confirmed that the transfer has been made.
 
He initiated NEFT request on Saturday, today is Monday and you came up with a feedback thread. What is happening to TE members? Man wait for at least 2-3 days.
 
^ well , this thread should have been first placed in the drafts section ,

as the OP just wanted to keep a record of what happened ...............
 
I concur with virus.. NEFT has a minimum limit of 6 hours and max of 3 working days.. so there is still tomorrow left before you can be sure whether the transfer was done or not..
 
virus32win said:
He initiated NEFT request on Saturday, today is Monday and you came up with a feedback thread. What is happening to TE members? Man wait for at least 2-3 days.
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1) I have mentioned already, this is just to keep the records on the forum since the sale thread has been closed.

2) I wouldn't be doing even this if he just replied to my PM's or received my calls. But if he is a busy man, it is natural for me to want to have a record on the forum. It's around 7k and a thread is justified by all means even for the purpose of keeping records.

If you feel the thread as unreasonable still, you can report it and ask the moderators to move it to the drafts section or wherever, and let them decide if it is reasonable afterall.
 
Hey guys,

After looking at this thread i believe that this Ironman guy is a fraud for sure.

The same deal which kniwor is talking about i also showed interest in it and the seller agreed to send me the item. He told me that he will cancel the deal with kniwor and send me the phone instead. He asked me to make the transfer of 7000 rs in his bank account after which he will ship the product.

I made the transfer asap [on wed] but i never received any phone from him. Since the day 1 he has been giving out lame excuses to me like light nai hai cant give tracking no, dtdc has misplaced my courier etc etc. then on friday i told him i dont need the phone please give me my refund. I gave him my acc details etc but i haven't received the refund yet. He has been giving me the same BS as to kniwor saying i've made the transfer etc.

Today morning i sent him sms that i didnt get any money yet then he replied saying call me at noon will talk to you. When i called him he didn't answer my calls.

This guy is getting on my nerves and we should seriously file and FIR against him.

To me my money is very very important and I need it back at asap. I am willing to contact cyber crime cell for a complaint against this guy. But before that lets see if this guy actually wants to resolve this.

@kniwor sad to see he did this to you as well. :(
 
wow now thats very uncool , you cannot stop a deal which was already paid for ...thumbs down ironman
 
@ mods : make it mandatory for deals over Rs 5000 ( or any other amount determined by the mod team ) to be done only over ebay. Paying an extra 6% is nothing to ensure safety and peace of mind.
Only in cases where the buyer and seller already know eachother/have an impeccable history should this rule be relaxed.
 
well, according to his 5800 sale post, he or apparently his cousin got some good deal on i-phone 3gs, so he got rs 7000x2= rs 14000 by cheating two guys and he must be enjoying his 3gs now:ohyeah:
dont worry, i think he will return money to both of you as soon as he arranges for that.
by the way, nice trick to generate quick money :hap2:
 
I tried calling him 4-5 times since morning but he keeps disconnecting my calls.

I then sent him an SMS and he replies:

Dude there is some issues. I just got a call from TE ADMIN. Dont worry. You will get your money.
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I have asked him to post in the thread and he says he'll post in the evening.
 
A quickie google on NEFT:

NEFT is also an electronic fund transfer system that operate on a deferred net settlement (DNS) basis which settles transactions in batches. In DNS, the settlement takes place at a particular point of time. All transactions are held up till that time. For example, NEFT settlement takes place 6 times a day during the week days (9.30 am, 10.30 am, 12.00 noon. 1.00 pm, 3.00 pm and 4.00 pm) and 3 times during Saturdays (9.30 am, 10.30 am and 12.00 noon). Any transaction initiated after a designated settlement time would have to wait till the next designated settlement time. Contrary to this, in RTGS, transactions are processed continuously throughout the RTGS business hours (9.00 am to 4.30 pm on week days and 9.00am to 12.00 noon on Saturday).
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mahesh verma said:
well, according to his 5800 sale post, he or apparently his cousin got some good deal on i-phone 3gs, so he got rs 7000x2= rs 14000 by cheating two guys and he must be enjoying his 3gs now:ohyeah:
dont worry, i think he will return money to both of you as soon as he arranges for that.
by the way, nice trick to generate quick money :hap2:
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Yeah this could be true.. Another forum I frequent, there was such a scam by a guy named Deepak. He used to sell things under new user ids, then refund money after some time saying he got ill, item got damaged, relative died etc.. so it was kind of like interest-free-loan scheme for him... He finally got caught when he became even greedier and decided to embezzle the money completely..
 
akg7091 said:
@ mods : make it mandatory for deals over Rs 5000 ( or any other amount determined by the mod team ) to be done only over ebay. Paying an extra 6% is nothing to ensure safety and peace of mind.

Only in cases where the buyer and seller already know eachother/have an impeccable history should this rule be relaxed.
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I think we should have some additional checks for some people:

- Those with less than 10 seller feedback (feedback from buyers should be more than 10).

- Those with any negative feedback at all. Yes, even a single negative feedback is important, nobody gives a negative feedback unless they are pissed off. We should pay more attention to the rating system.

Threads should not be closed till the buyer confirms item receipt in good condition. There are some sellers here who don't intend to cheat intentionally, but will wash hands of all responsibilities if something happens during shipping, or are unscrupulous enough to hide info and such. I have had such experience in past and the seller continues to enjoy using TE.
 
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