News DeepSeek.com making waves!

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Why don't you post some sources?

To date nobody has successfully sued openAI

You know why nobody has been successful because the cases are still ongoing. Some of them which have been closed were negotiated in backroom meeting where Lord Sam Altman most probably payed a hefty price to the people to keep their mouths shut, does everything need to be spelled out? I don't know why to die on this hill when it is clear open knowledge that Open AI did use copyrighted material how are they gonna get their data, it doesn't grow on trees?! it has not been proven as their model is not open source, if they had nothing to hide they would have made it open source, it's not just them every single AI chatbot is doing it, it is just ironical that they would say that Deepseek copied them when they themselves it copied the data too. Why on Earth would the author of Game of Thrones sue them they gets royalties from HBO, they clearly haave a ton of money already and if they had a contract or something similar in place why would other sue them. The same thing has been done by other people as well. It's about weather the LLM is openly quoting texts or using images but, it's that those texts and images which were used to train the LLM were under copyright protection, and of course Open AI would never admit this themselves. If it can summarize an entire book that means it know about it and has been trained on it. Now I and many other as sane people know that Open AI didn't pay people to sit and write summaries of hundreds of thousands of books in order to use them, they simply used someone else's material to train their LLM. Try asking it something that you think is going to potentially violate copyright law yourself and then draw up your own conclusion.

This is officially the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen

if you want to see what the supposed "privilege" looks like just go to your closet Family court, you can enjoy this on full blast and see it happen in real time.

 

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You know why nobody has been successful because the cases are still ongoing.

Then all bets are off. This legal uncertainty more than anything should spook investors. But it has not as yet so that means something too.

I don't know why to die on this hill when it is clear open knowledge that Open AI did use copyrighted material how are they gonna get their data, it doesn't grow on trees?! it has not been proven as their model is not open source, if they had nothing to hide they would have made it open source, it's not just them every single AI chatbot is doing it, it is just ironical that they would say that Deepseek copied them when they themselves it copied the data too.

I've already explained why the underlined bit is a false equivalence in my previous reply

Why on Earth would the author of Game of Thrones sue them they gets royalties from HBO, they clearly haave a ton of money already and if they had a contract or something similar in place why would other sue them. The same thing has been done by other people as well.

Money grab? Until some judgment comes more will try to sue

It's about weather the LLM is openly quoting texts or using images but, it's that those texts and images which were used to train the LLM were under copyright protection, and of course Open AI would never admit this themselves. If it can summarize an entire book that means it know about it and has been trained on it. Now I and many other as sane people know that Open AI didn't pay people to sit and write summaries of hundreds of thousands of books in order to use them, they simply used someone else's material to train their LLM. Try asking it something that you think is going to potentially violate copyright law yourself and then draw up your own conclusion..

And this is where the plaintiffs need to show harm was done to them.

So long as the works are not being reproduced verbatim then there is no case.

In your example, a book summary is just an interpretation of a book. If you were to publish your summary then can you be accused of IP theft.

I don't think so. So why should any AI?

When you make simple examples like this then you can reason some more.

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Ok so this is the same as book summary example.

No idea what this video is meant to explain. Its some rambling commentary on the current state of AI.

 

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Then all bets are off. This legal uncertainty more than anything should spook investors. But it has not as yet so that means something too

investors don't care about the legality of something as minor as copyright law when those same investors work in the government themselves and have deep state ties, corporate America is especially corrupt in such cases.

And this is where the plaintiffs need to show harm was done to them.

So long as the works are not being reproduced verbatim then there is no case.

In your example, a book summary is just an interpretation of a book. If you were to publish your summary then can you be accused of IP theft.

So hypothetically if you wrote a book and it sold relatively well and then Open AI used it to train it's model using your book with any compensation or permission, you wouldn't care about it? And what about when I asked it to quote directly from the book and it the results were reproduced verbatim? It's not even about it being reproduce verbatim or them providing a summary or whatever, it is about the fact that they did so without explicitly stating that what all data they had collected and trained upon and used it to profit themselves. It's not always about the gray legal areas but it is also about the transparency.

Ok so this is the same as book summary example.

No actually it is far worse since in text they can still cite the original source but when using their Sora model there is no clear indication as to what the produced result was trained on and that is where it gets dangerously close to blatant copyright infringement.

I don't think so. So why should any AI?

And why should Deepseek? Again what they did nothing different than what Open AI did, they just stole from a singular multi billion dollar company and Open AI stole from millions of smaller entities.

I don't care about Open AI using the works of others to train AI much myself but when they are put in a special box and treated as if they are somewhat special and different than other, well that's where I have a problem.

No idea what this video is meant to explain. Its some rambling commentary on the current state of AI.

Not just AI but particularly Open AI and what is going on behind the scenes.

And when saying that "Open AI did their own collection and them stealing is different than Deepseek doing it" you also have to consider that both of them started from a separate baseline, had the roles been reversed Open AI would have 1000% did the same.

 

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I will tell about an actual incident that happened to my neice who went to US in 2014 to do her B.Tech Computers in ULCA and completed her MBA Political Science in John Hopkins University. While she was in John Hopkins for MBA in 2020, her classmate from ULCA who was one of the grandsons of Jindal Steels told her that his father gave a bribe to Trump of amounting into millions to get contracts in India, US & Europe. My niece immediately posted the same in her Instagram, Facebook accounts. In 2020 she was staying in a apartment with 2 other friends. It caught fire and everything got burned to crisp and FBI took only my niece's laptop and iphone saying that these will be returned later on. They did in fact returen after a month. This incident came in their local news channels and papers as well. Her Facebook & Instagram account got hacked mysteriously and she had to change her passwords as such. She has also done Internship for 2 years between her B.Tech & MBA. Again in 2022, fire broke out in her floor which is in a different apartment complex but fire didn't reach her door but everything got drenched in water and she got replaced everything by sending the Laptop & iPhone for RMA.

After my niece's mother who lives in Hyderabad told me this then, I told her to inform her daughter to immediately delete all posts regarding the bribes from her social media accounts and my niece did so. I told my sister that they killed their own citizens in order to keep secrets from getting out. So told her just to keep a low profile, complete her studies, if she gets a job do it without making any fuss & live. Later in the same year she rented another apartment along with her 2 friends in Washington DC and completed her studies, came back to India in 2024. In 2020 itself while in lockdown she ordered some items from Amazon.com and no items got delivered even though it was showing delivered in her amazon account. So she raised a request with Amazon but they asked for a report from local police, she got the report and she showed as proof and Amazon refunded her money but since then they have blocked her until now, even if she uses different mail ids & numbers they blocked her.

Since she came back to India in 2024 onwards she applied to many companies but nobody replies back. I told her if she wants any consultancy's help she was furious at me, saying that she is confident about her capability and don't need relative's help. She wants to go back to US by getting a job and settle there.

I tell her with her qualification like studying in ULCA & JHU, she will get highly paid job in India but she doesn't listen. Since she has taken Political Science in MBA she applied for jobs in UN, World Bank, IMF and attended interviews in Hyderabad, Chennai & Mumbai but yet to hear good news from her.

Now after hearing about the mysterious death of our fellow young Indian who became a whistlblower regarding OpenAI and his mother saying that it was a murder but FBI isnt taking the case nor the police is interested. I sometimes am thinking nowadays that my niece's case also same but since the severiarity isn't the same as that whistleblower she escaped unharmed.
Corruption is everywhere whether be it India or US & Corrupt Politicians who corrupt the entire system. Being a billionare means can buy anything even Justice in their favor.

She is always active in her social media handles & always posts in them, gets gifts from prominent people but still waiting for a proper job that she wants.

 

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investors don't care about the legality of something as minor as copyright law when those same investors work in the government themselves and have deep state ties, corporate America is especially corrupt in such cases.

hence my point is proven. The same thing happened with the Boeing whistleblower and somehow that has also faded into irrelevancy just like the one before them and the ones before them.