News DeepSeek.com making waves!

[Kaching999]

Why don't you post some sources?

To date nobody has successfully sued openAI

You know why nobody has been successful because the cases are still ongoing. Some of them which have been closed were negotiated in backroom meeting where Lord Sam Altman most probably payed a hefty price to the people to keep their mouths shut, does everything need to be spelled out? I don't know why to die on this hill when it is clear open knowledge that Open AI did use copyrighted material how are they gonna get their data, it doesn't grow on trees?! it has not been proven as their model is not open source, if they had nothing to hide they would have made it open source, it's not just them every single AI chatbot is doing it, it is just ironical that they would say that Deepseek copied them when they themselves it copied the data too. Why on Earth would the author of Game of Thrones sue them they gets royalties from HBO, they clearly haave a ton of money already and if they had a contract or something similar in place why would other sue them. The same thing has been done by other people as well. It's about weather the LLM is openly quoting texts or using images but, it's that those texts and images which were used to train the LLM were under copyright protection, and of course Open AI would never admit this themselves. If it can summarize an entire book that means it know about it and has been trained on it. Now I and many other as sane people know that Open AI didn't pay people to sit and write summaries of hundreds of thousands of books in order to use them, they simply used someone else's material to train their LLM. Try asking it something that you think is going to potentially violate copyright law yourself and then draw up your own conclusion.

This is officially the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen

if you want to see what the supposed "privilege" looks like just go to your closet Family court, you can enjoy this on full blast and see it happen in real time.

 

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You know why nobody has been successful because the cases are still ongoing.

Then all bets are off. This legal uncertainty more than anything should spook investors. But it has not as yet so that means something too.

I don't know why to die on this hill when it is clear open knowledge that Open AI did use copyrighted material how are they gonna get their data, it doesn't grow on trees?! it has not been proven as their model is not open source, if they had nothing to hide they would have made it open source, it's not just them every single AI chatbot is doing it, it is just ironical that they would say that Deepseek copied them when they themselves it copied the data too.

I've already explained why the underlined bit is a false equivalence in my previous reply

Why on Earth would the author of Game of Thrones sue them they gets royalties from HBO, they clearly haave a ton of money already and if they had a contract or something similar in place why would other sue them. The same thing has been done by other people as well.

Money grab? Until some judgment comes more will try to sue

It's about weather the LLM is openly quoting texts or using images but, it's that those texts and images which were used to train the LLM were under copyright protection, and of course Open AI would never admit this themselves. If it can summarize an entire book that means it know about it and has been trained on it. Now I and many other as sane people know that Open AI didn't pay people to sit and write summaries of hundreds of thousands of books in order to use them, they simply used someone else's material to train their LLM. Try asking it something that you think is going to potentially violate copyright law yourself and then draw up your own conclusion..

And this is where the plaintiffs need to show harm was done to them.

So long as the works are not being reproduced verbatim then there is no case.

In your example, a book summary is just an interpretation of a book. If you were to publish your summary then can you be accused of IP theft.

I don't think so. So why should any AI?

When you make simple examples like this then you can reason some more.

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Ok so this is the same as book summary example.

No idea what this video is meant to explain. Its some rambling commentary on the current state of AI.

 

[Kaching999]

Then all bets are off. This legal uncertainty more than anything should spook investors. But it has not as yet so that means something too

investors don't care about the legality of something as minor as copyright law when those same investors work in the government themselves and have deep state ties, corporate America is especially corrupt in such cases.

And this is where the plaintiffs need to show harm was done to them.

So long as the works are not being reproduced verbatim then there is no case.

In your example, a book summary is just an interpretation of a book. If you were to publish your summary then can you be accused of IP theft.

So hypothetically if you wrote a book and it sold relatively well and then Open AI used it to train it's model using your book with any compensation or permission, you wouldn't care about it? And what about when I asked it to quote directly from the book and it the results were reproduced verbatim? It's not even about it being reproduce verbatim or them providing a summary or whatever, it is about the fact that they did so without explicitly stating that what all data they had collected and trained upon and used it to profit themselves. It's not always about the gray legal areas but it is also about the transparency.

Ok so this is the same as book summary example.

No actually it is far worse since in text they can still cite the original source but when using their Sora model there is no clear indication as to what the produced result was trained on and that is where it gets dangerously close to blatant copyright infringement.

I don't think so. So why should any AI?

And why should Deepseek? Again what they did nothing different than what Open AI did, they just stole from a singular multi billion dollar company and Open AI stole from millions of smaller entities.

I don't care about Open AI using the works of others to train AI much myself but when they are put in a special box and treated as if they are somewhat special and different than other, well that's where I have a problem.

No idea what this video is meant to explain. Its some rambling commentary on the current state of AI.

Not just AI but particularly Open AI and what is going on behind the scenes.

And when saying that "Open AI did their own collection and them stealing is different than Deepseek doing it" you also have to consider that both of them started from a separate baseline, had the roles been reversed Open AI would have 1000% did the same.

 

[bssunilreddy]

I will tell about an actual incident that happened to my neice who went to US in 2014 to do her B.Tech Computers in ULCA and completed her MBA Political Science in John Hopkins University. While she was in John Hopkins for MBA in 2020, her classmate from UCLA who was one of the grandsons of Jindal Steels told her that his father gave a bribe to Trump of amounting into millions to get contracts in India, US & Europe. My niece immediately posted the same in her Instagram, Facebook accounts. In 2020 she was staying in a apartment with 2 other friends. It caught fire and everything got burned to crisp and FBI took only my niece's laptop and iphone saying that these will be returned later on. They did in fact returen after a month. This incident came in their local news channels and papers as well. Her Facebook & Instagram account got hacked mysteriously and she had to change her passwords as such. She has also done Internship for 2 years between her B.Tech & MBA. Again in 2022, fire broke out in her floor which is in a different apartment complex but fire didn't reach her door but everything got drenched in water and she got replaced everything by sending the Laptop & iPhone for RMA.

After my niece's mother who lives in Hyderabad told me this then, I told her to inform her daughter to immediately delete all posts regarding the bribes from her social media accounts and my niece did so. I told my sister that they killed their own citizens in order to keep secrets from getting out. So told her just to keep a low profile, complete her studies, if she gets a job do it without making any fuss & live. Later in the same year she rented another apartment along with her 2 friends in Washington DC and completed her studies, came back to India in 2024. In 2020 itself while in lockdown she ordered some items from Amazon.com and no items got delivered even though it was showing delivered in her amazon account. So she raised a request with Amazon but they asked for a report from local police, she got the report and she showed as proof and Amazon refunded her money but since then they have blocked her until now, even if she uses different mail ids & numbers they blocked her.

Since she came back to India in 2024 onwards she applied to many companies but nobody replies back. I told her if she wants any consultancy's help she was furious at me, saying that she is confident about her capability and don't need relative's help. She wants to go back to US by getting a job and settle there.

I tell her with her qualification like studying in UCLA & JHU, she will get highly paid job in India but she doesn't listen. Since she has taken Political Science in MBA she applied for jobs in UN, World Bank, IMF and attended interviews in Hyderabad, Chennai & Mumbai but yet to hear good news from her.

Now after hearing about the mysterious death of our fellow young Indian who became a whistlblower regarding OpenAI and his mother saying that it was a murder but FBI isnt taking the case nor the police is interested. I sometimes am thinking nowadays that my niece's case also same but since the severiarity isn't the same as that whistleblower she escaped unharmed.
Corruption is everywhere whether be it India or US & Corrupt Politicians who corrupt the entire system. Being a billionare means can buy anything even Justice in their favor.

She is always active in her social media handles & always posts in them, gets gifts from prominent people but still waiting for a proper job that she wants.

 

[Kaching999]

investors don't care about the legality of something as minor as copyright law when those same investors work in the government themselves and have deep state ties, corporate America is especially corrupt in such cases.

hence my point is proven. The same thing happened with the Boeing whistleblower and somehow that has also faded into irrelevancy just like the one before them and the ones before them.

 

[Renegade]

Best comment I read about this.

"Unlike OpenAI, DeepSeek is open AI."

 

[lockhrt999]

The video summarizes what I said on the previous page.

 

[6pack]

Back to the topic



Why am I not surprised.

Copy + Paste in action

That is what China is famous for

I would not laugh at China "copying" stuff. It directly means we Indians cannot even copy stuff. Our IQ is so low or we are complete idiots that we can't even copy stuff to make our own AI. This directly means our education system is crap compared to Chinese education system. People here mocking/laughing at China are mocking/laughing at ourselves directly.

 

[t3chg33k]

Why don't you post some sources?

To date nobody has successfully sued openAI

Not quite. Let's say you review some books that takes time and effort.

Had they taken the effort like you did to do reviews then you can equate them to yourself not otherwise. Why would you?

Now someone else shows up and just parrots out your reviews and claims them as their own.

Of course they can get the job done for a lot less.

Copy + paste in action

The only thing China is the world's leader at doing. That too badly if the arms industry is any indicator

The hypocrisy of the AI companies is fully evident here. They want all training material used in AI models to be considered out of the scope of copyright but at the same time, they feel that distilled models using their existing work is a violation of copyright. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

To be fair, it was not copy-paste. Nobody had created a distilled model that can so closely mimic the larger model till date. If the larger AI models were built by stealing original human works, then DeepSeek did so by stealing original AI works. Can't see how these AI companies have any moral right over what the Chinese companies are doing.

 

[TEUser2K1]

People here mocking/laughing at China are mocking/laughing at ourselves directly.

Anybody who visited China will have their mind changed. Don't know why some of us have such totally blindsided views on this.
We all can disdain their dystopian political and societal control, but what they achieved in uplifting their society, their technological advancement including defense and space programs, etc. is tremendous.

@Emperor
About discussions on whether India will utilize deepseek, here is a new report, don't know the authenticity:
"India’s IT minister on Thursday praised DeepSeek‘s progress and said the country will host the Chinese AI lab’s large language models on domestic servers, in a rare opening for Chinese technology in India."

India lauds Chinese AI lab DeepSeek, plans to host its models on local servers | TechCrunch

India's IT minister on Thursday praised DeepSeek's progress and said the country will host the Chinese AI lab's large language models on domestic servers, India will host Chinese artificial intelligence platform DeepSeek's large language model on domestic servers

techcrunch.com

Good that we are at least attempting to learn.

 

[Emperor]

India needs non delusional voters who don't buy into empty promises nor are blinded by freebies, hyper-nationalism and religion.

vote for Naga Baba as they only fit in above criteria I didn't name other religious gurus as they are more interested in conversions with money.

The common man already quietly contributes more than enough in the form of direct and indirect taxes, expecting and getting nothing in return.

the same common man always going out for Holidays on Election Days, Juggi/jhopadpatti people went out in crowd to vote, so all party always provide them ALL FREE & thus they keep producing more and more children's and more and more Voters for Vote Bank. And every political party need Vote Bank, as Grand Old party set example for all other parties since independence.

It's the job of the elected representatives and sarkari babus to perform their duty for the Murthy recommended 90 hrs/week with honesty, which the smarter people realized a long ago that it isn't going to happen in their lifetimes.

Yes all Indian State Govt & Sarkari Babus from all state must work for 90 hrs. without getting divided on name of Language (North/South), rest need to resign from Murthy's company to teach him lesson, so after mass resignation, Murthy came back to you all with folded hand to join again provided some smart mind from you for Promotion didn't suggest him better to shift work to Vietnam/Indonesia and save more and now DeepSeek entered and AI already threat to reduce job by 40% till 2030... enjoy till ...

 

[t3chg33k]

Anybody who visited China will have their mind changed. Don't know why some of us have such totally blindsided views on this.
We all can disdain their dystopian political and societal control, but what they achieved in uplifting their society, their technological advancement including defense and space programs, etc. is tremendous.

@Emperor
About discussions on whether India will utilize deepseek, here is a new report, don't know the authenticity:
"India’s IT minister on Thursday praised DeepSeek‘s progress and said the country will host the Chinese AI lab’s large language models on domestic servers, in a rare opening for Chinese technology in India."

India lauds Chinese AI lab DeepSeek, plans to host its models on local servers | TechCrunch

India's IT minister on Thursday praised DeepSeek's progress and said the country will host the Chinese AI lab's large language models on domestic servers, India will host Chinese artificial intelligence platform DeepSeek's large language model on domestic servers

techcrunch.com

Good that we are at least attempting to learn.

Running an open source model on local servers means nothing in terms of technological development though. You need to be able to create new models, especially for local languages.

Read the other day about how some of the private data centres created using H100 clusters are simply lying idle. This seems more like an initiative to divert business to those rather than do actual development.

 

[Emperor]

Deepseek is removed Apple & Google Playstores in EU but still operational in US. It was given 20 days to give explanation as to how it handles use of personal data.
Microsoft is probing whether Deepseek improperly accessed OpenAI's Data Outputs but started giving easy steps on how to run Deepseek on Windows 11 PC's.

Source: https://wccftech.com/deepseek-priva...-be-removed-from-apple-and-google-app-stores/

believe me Trump & Musk (with their policies) instead of MAGA going to Make China Great Again (MCGA)

 

[TEUser2K1]

Running an open source model on local servers means nothing in terms of technological development though. You need to be able to create new models, especially for local languages.

Probably, they can utilize deepseek or any other AI infra for the same purpose. Have to start somewhere.

Was looking to trace this brilliant piece, got it:

Infosys founder Narayana Murthy on why India should not build its own AI models: “...the Indian mindset is still not…” - Times of India

TECH NEWS : Infosys founder NR Narayana Murthy has sparked a debate by questioning India's pursuit of homegrown large language models (LLMs). He argues that India

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

When there are low salaried people ready to work 24/7/365 who needs AI ?

 

[tas.aurangabad]

Folks who are into AI - have you not been following recent chinese deepseek.com news? i just (found out about and) downloaded the lmstudio.ai desktop gui app and gave it a whirl... nice easy way to run local stuff, better than ollama.com in the sense it's only command-line.

Go check it out and see all the buzz (and panic for the US) this is causing!

lmstudio.ai is riddled with Cryptojacking. Also it establishes some peer to peer connections without us knowing about it. Only reason I came to know about this because of the unpaid free version of Proton VPN.

 

[Emperor]

Running an open source model on local servers means nothing in terms of technological development though. You need to be able to create new models, especially for local languages.

Read the other day about how some of the private data centres created using H100 clusters are simply lying idle. This seems more like an initiative to divert business to those rather than do actual development.

With the help of Krutrim, Ola hopes to bridge the gap between conventional AI and the specific needs based on Indian languages and culture. source

 

[CasualGamer91]

believe me Trump & Musk (with their policies) instead of MAGA going to Make China Great Again (MCGA)

Musk is so annoying

 

[psyph3r]

With the help of Krutrim, Ola hopes to bridge the gap between conventional AI and the specific needs based on Indian languages and culture. source

This thing is nothing but a ChatGPT wrapper.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1762100361475625050

 

[Emperor]

This thing is nothing but a ChatGPT wrapper.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1762100361475625050

lets wait & watch truth will came out soon, if copied will not stand for long.

 

[TEUser2K1]

lets wait & watch truth will came out soon, if copied will not stand for long.

Ola’s Krutrim AI chatbot says built by ChatGPT maker Open AI, read company’s response | - Times of India

Ola's Krutrim AI chatbot has been reported to be claiming that it was built by OpenAI, the company behind its rival ChatGPT. Users have taken to social media to share their experiences and question the authenticity of the chatbot. Ola has acknowledged the issue and attributed it to a data leak...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Further info.