Delhi High Court Judge caught with Heaps of Cash in his home. Justice compromised?

Judiciary operates within its own jurisdiction.

Their incomes don't come under RTI. And we all know how their higher level appointments and promotions happen (hint: collegium system). Want to suspend a high court judge? Only the Supreme Court or the President can do so (that too after a supermajority vote in BOTH houses of parliament).

They have no checks and balances and the situation is such that they are answerable to nobody either.

What does this absolute power bring? Corruption, ofcourse.
 
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Judiciary is the most corrupt pillar of all !
We hate nepotism in Bollywood/politics, but anyone know how widespread nepotism is in judiciary?

Few data points:

1. A 2022 study by the Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy found that 40% of High Court judges appointed during this period had close relatives (parents, spouses, or children) in the legal profession.

2. 70% of Supreme Court judges in 2022 had relatives in the higher judiciary!

Time to bring absolute transparacy and end this nepotism !!!
 
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darksmart said:
Recently a high court judge's home caught fire and firefighters found lots of cash worth crores. The only punishment this judge got was a transfer. Do you think justice has been compromised? Also what do think is stopping any strict action on him when IT/CBI/ED raids have been happening on many businessmen?

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Because, Govt cannot take any action against any judge!
They need to get approval of CJI or similar thing !!!

Speaking against judiciary is treated like a sin, hence no one talks about corruption in judiciary openly.
Govt (MODI GOVT) did tried to bring some reforms in how judges are appointment but was strike down by Surpreme Court!
 
Generally some High Court judges take starting from small amounts like 5 lacs to crores depending upon the total value of the case they are looking into. One judge in Telangana recently took 20 crores value land which was in litigation in his court and he ruled in favor of the land owner and got the land and after his retirement he began selling it by building duplex and triplex houses. This is normal from so very long. Even advocates used to take a percentage of litigant land and after they win it they take the percentage.
If you call this corruption then what about those who grab lands of others and even kill them for the sake of that land.
What ever the judges or advocates were doing is in fact much better or best possible solution I think because it's not corruption but settling things amicably without the chance of losing the land for the owners and without loosing their lives also.
In my own district there is a rowdy MLA who does land grabs of others and if the owners does not listen to take 5% or 10% of the lands worth as compensation which land he grabbed he just goes for the kill and makes it look like a suicide. What do you call this?
Settling with judges and advocates in a informal legal way is the best option for such land owners.
They will pay the same 5% or 10% to these guys who are bound by law and take their lands into their possession.
Why should any land owner take such small amounts as compensation for their hard owned money lands and give possession to such rowdy fellows where they sell it double the price in the market. The same can be done by the land owners right?
Before my uncle could help one such good hardworking land owner whose land was grabbed he was found mysteriously dead beside a railway station. He did not tell his wife anything but came to my uncle for help because that rowdy MLA grabbed his land he said and asked for help. That's all. The land papers were missing from his house. His 1st son completed degree while his 2nd son is having downs syndrome. His poor wife is asking the LIC organisation where he worked to give her son the job but they are saying since he died of alleged suicide they might not give the son the job. Now tell me who will give justice to this family now?
Now that rowdy MLA is a sitting MLA in the present regime.
My father and my uncle helped a lot to this guy since the last 25 years and that's why he came for help to my uncle.
Now my mom is frightened because I am asking both my father and my uncle to ask any other politicians to intervene on this case and my mom says they will likely harm us if we intervene in that case. Even the present regime transferred every officer of the district who used to work for the previous regime. Now everybody works for them. I mean recommended by them.
 
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bssunilreddy said:
If you call this corruption then what about those who grab lands of others and even kill them for the sake of that land.
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Both are illegal.

bssunilreddy said:
What ever the judges or advocates were doing is in fact much better or best possible solution
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What is stopping the judges from doing the same but without corruption? Why do they need to take "small amounts" or lands?
They are paid adequately enough already (judges have higher salaries than IAS), and receive pensions, why don't they do their job without taking this cut?
And if they do, what is the difference between them and the mafia that takes protection money? Isn't this cut just protection money to make sure the case goes their way?
Are you implying judges can act like the underworld and we should be okay with that? Why should be public have to "settle" with the judiciary?

And if you say that this is better than land grab and murder, answer this: Once I've paid the judge and he rules the land my way, what is stopping the goon from murdering me and taking the land either way?
Settling with the judges doesn't make me invincible. These goons don't follow court orders do they?
And if it's going to be like this anyway, what benefit does settling with the judges get me?

I'm sorry, I don't agree with your statement that we should be okay with this. None of this is okay.
 
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bssunilreddy said:
If you call this corruption then what about those who grab lands of others and even kill them for the sake of that land.
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Those who grab lands and even kill them should not roam freely. What you are suggesting is instead of losing life give your land to the judge? Thats the best way of keeping your life? In the end you will know the Judge split that land and money with the very same entity you were trying to escape from, just so you can get to live!
If we dont have immediate solution or remedy to these serious issues doesnt mean we should accept them to be normal. Please be a better part of society.
 
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kage said:
Both are illegal.


What is stopping the judges from doing the same but without corruption? Why do they need to take "small amounts" or lands?
They are paid adequately enough already (judges have higher salaries than IAS), and receive pensions, why don't they do their job without taking this cut?
And if they do, what is the difference between them and the mafia that takes protection money? Isn't this cut just protection money to make sure the case goes their way?
Are you implying judges can act like the underworld and we should be okay with that? Why should be public have to "settle" with the judiciary?

And if you say that this is better than land grab and murder, answer this: Once I've paid the judge and he rules the land my way, what is stopping the goon from murdering me and taking the land either way?
Settling with the judges doesn't make me invincible. These goons don't follow court orders do they?
And if it's going to be like this anyway, what benefit does settling with the judges get me?

I'm sorry, I don't agree with your statement that we should be okay with this. None of this is okay.
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It's better when goons are at your doorstep and when nothing might come out of quarrels with goons. So this was like a way for many in our states to get either their lands back or equivalent money back.
Or else
If we want to go for a normal way the land will be in the court but the goons will be selling the same land but we can't do since its attached to the court.
Since 25 years or so many such people are trying to get their lands until now no reprieve for them.
I suggest them just to go for a settlement and be happy with it. Otherwise time and money both will be wasted and we don't know for sure whether the land owner will get his land in the end of not.
 
bssunilreddy said:
It's better when goons are at your doorstep and when nothing might come out of quarrels with goons. So this was like a way for many in our states to get either their lands back or equivalent money back.
Or else
If we want to go for a normal way the land will be in the court but the goons will be selling the same land but we can't do since its attached to the court.
Since 25 years or so many such people are trying to get their lands until now no reprieve for them.
I suggest them just to go for a settlement and be happy with it. Otherwise time and money both will be wasted and we don't know for sure whether the land owner will get his land in the end of not.
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But this still doesn't answer my question. If I'm giving a cut to the judge, what stops the local goon from coming after me once the judgement is made?

If they have the power to murder me and make it look like a suicide, so you think a judgement is going to stop them?

And besides, this corruption isn't just related to land is it? Do you remember the Atul divorce suicide case that was famous a while ago? A judge asked for bribe from him too.

It is a systemic problem.

And it needs to be called out instead of us being comfortable with it being the "lesser evil".

As for your statement that cases drag on for decades without resolution and we should bribe for speedy decisions, well, who do you think has created this problem? If the judiciary is independent, then they are independent enough to create a solution for their problems as well. And this is not a new/niche problem by any means. "Tareek pe Tareek" is a pretty famous dialogue.
 
I think it's high time we start doing away with cash. It will not solve every problem, but it will solve the problem of traceability and tracking.
I know there are ways around that, but it is still infinitely better than the traceability of straight hard cash.

There will be some transition pains, but with UPI being so pervasive nowadays (v/s say compared to 2016's demonetization), those problems should be significantly lower.

I know this is not going to be a popular opinion, and there won't be much support for it. But it is a feasible solution and in my opinion, an immediate necessity.
 
kage said:
But this still doesn't answer my question. If I'm giving a cut to the judge, what stops the local goon from coming after me once the judgement is made?

If they have the power to murder me and make it look like a suicide, so you think a judgement is going to stop them?

And besides, this corruption isn't just related to land is it? Do you remember the Atul divorce suicide case that was famous a while ago? A judge asked for bribe from him too.

It is a systemic problem.

And it needs to be called out instead of us being comfortable with it being the "lesser evil".

As for your statement that cases drag on for decades without resolution and we should bribe for speedy decisions, well, who do you think has created this problem? If the judiciary is independent, then they are independent enough to create a solution for their problems as well. And this is not a new/niche problem by any means. "Tareek pe Tareek" is a pretty famous dialogue.
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Yes this is systemic problem and needs to be called.
Maybe or maybe not the judgement will give a legal standing or some legal force to reason with the bureaucracy right.
This used to happen in United AP until 2014 then another kind of mafia led by new CMs took charge.
It's like one kind of evil becomes another kind of evil but we need to choose the lesser evil here which will give us the best solution that's all.

It's been like this for decades and who will cull this means nobody are giving any solution to this.

You know in 2004, one of my uncle's were looking for a MLA seat or MP seat. So they met with Sonia Gandhi in New Delhi and she casually said that if we give 25 crores for the MLA seat or 100 crores for MP seat as party fund (in this form). My uncle will be alloted the seat he wants. This is the state of politics in India be it Congress or BJP. It does not matter. That was in 2004. Now assume how much they might be asking in 2024 for the same seats in any constituency.
After spending that much will any MLA or MP work for recovering that money 1st and then will he worked for the people later or not. Tell me.
This is the sad state of affairs everywhere even in US or Russia. It's nothing new.
But when we come to know we think how shittier politics have become.
In 1950s or 60s those days leaders used to give donations for China wars from their pockets but nowadays things are not what they used to be then.
We also should not criticize them because anybody who works will always look for providing for his family.
I am lower middle class man and so I think what suits me to provide to my family.
People who deals in crores or hundreds of crores also do things in those higher ways.
I read somewhere that for giving the party symbol and office to a newly formed group of the main political party in MH the new party spent 10k crores to bribe the EC and others.
Just notice it's not 1 crore or 100 crores but simply 10,000 crores for the older party symbol to be given to the newly formed group.
Do you call this corruption then? No they had the means to pay and they did.
I had the means to buy my kid crayons or chota bheem doll so I bought her. That's how we have to see everything. Thats all.
 
sauravghosh said:
I love how some nincompoops believe justice is compromised just now after this news. Lmao.
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You could say naive, but yeah, I agree.

Still, I'll say there are less bhakts per-capita than say 5 years ago. Today, not many will attack you for saying India is a lawless country.

kage said:
I think it's high time we start doing away with cash. It will not solve every problem, but it will solve the problem of traceability and tracking.
I know there are ways around that, but it is still infinitely better than the traceability of straight hard cash.
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Cash, gold, land, bitcoin etc. What are you going to track and how?
 
bssunilreddy said:
It's been like this for decades and who will cull this means nobody are giving any solution to this.
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We all know who and how this problem can be solved, it's just that we don't have the power to.
That doesn't mean we should take it lying down or compromise, like your initial post suggested.
The only way to bring this to lawmakers attention is to make noise. That is all we can do. If we take it lightly, then we're losing the only power that we have.
With enough noise they fear their votes and act swiftly.

bssunilreddy said:
After spending that much will any MLA or MP work for recovering that money 1st and then will he worked for the people later or not. Tell me.
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How is that the taxpayers problem? Just because an MLA has to pay crores to get a ticket, doesn't give him the right to recoup that money illegally from the public?
What kind of justification is this?
Just because you were wronged doesn't give you the right to wrong someone else.
If the system is this bad, these MLAs should do something about it, not pass down the problem to people electing them.

bssunilreddy said:
This is the sad state of affairs everywhere even in US or Russia. It's nothing new.
But when we come to know we think how shittier politics have become.
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No one is arguing that corruption is worse now. People are arguing that this has been going on for a long time and something should be done about it.
And since they are more aware now, they make more noise about it.

bssunilreddy said:
We also should not criticize them because anybody who works will always look for providing for his family.
I am lower middle class man and so I think what suits me to provide to my family.
People who deals in crores or hundreds of crores also do things in those higher ways.
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What the hell?
We should not criticize corruption because they have to provide for their families?!
No one is asking them not to provide for their families.
People are asking them to provide from what they ACTUALY earn, not from what they can corruptly earn.
And it's not like their salaries are low. And neither are their pensions.
Do you know that ministers get pension for EVERY term in office?
Elected for 10 years? 2x pension. 15? 3x.
Salaried middle class doesn't even get pensions my guy.
And don't get me started about their salaries and allowances.

bssunilreddy said:
Do you call this corruption then? No they had the means to pay and they did.
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If it was paid for by donations, then it is not corruption.
If it was paid via public money theft, then it is corruption.
There are no two ways about it.
Means to pay does not mean the money couldn't have been illegal to begin with.

bssunilreddy said:
I had the means to buy my kid crayons or chota bheem doll so I bought her.
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The difference is your money was probably hard earned, and it is by those means that you bought your kid those crayons.
You cannot equate this with illegally earned money can you?
 
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