Discuss - Reservations in 2007

Vij

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Manmohan Singh to Bush – We are sending Indians to the moon next year. Bush – Wow! How Many? Manmohan Singh - 100 25 - OBC 25 - SC 20 - ST 5 - Handicapped 5 - Sports Persons 5 - Terrorist Affected 5 - Kashmiri Migrants 9 - Politicians / Freedom fighter / Govt. Emp. and if possible 1 – Astronnaut :eek:hyeah:
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superczar

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Here is the excerpt of a discussion (suitably edited) from a group that I am a part of.....One of the posts is mine, though I wouldn't divulge which one:

hi Friends,

I have been quite shocked by some of the postings in our alumni groups regarding OBC reservations.

Almost all of the postings seems to suggest that some terrible injustice is being meted out to so-called 'general' student candidates and most of the postings are in the form of rants rather than structured thought process and debates.

I would NOT want to debate on this forum, there are various other forums where alumni can post their feelings against reservation but this one sided postings really irked me.

What appals me is that not a single alumni who's posted on reservation, and who by default has passed from one of the most elite institutes in India, has looked at social injustice that is endemic in India and tried to give a balanced view.

What is the point of being an alumnus of an XXX if we don't see the bigger picture of social and casteist inequalities? I am not a supporter of Mandal II, but reservation is not black and white, so please deal with this more sensitively as becomes alumni of your institute.

I am pasting a weblink of a data driven article, which should appeal to XXX's like you to atleast look at the bigger picture:

An Alternative Proposal : outlookindia.com

I am also quoting a pertinent portion of the text:

"For if we understand merit as sheer innate ability, it is difficult to explain why it should seem to be an upper caste monopoly. Whatever people may believe privately, it is now beyond doubt that arguments for the genetic or natural inferiority of social groups are unacceptable. If so, how is it that, roughly speaking, one quarter of our population supplies three quarters of our elite professionals? The explanation has to lie in the social mechanisms through which innate ability is translated into certifiable skill and encashable competence. This points to intended or unintended systemic exclusions in the educational system, and to inequalities in the background resources that education presupposes.

It is their confidence in having monopolised the educational system and its prerequisites that sustains the upper caste demand to consider only merit and not caste. If educational opportunities were truly equalised, the upper castes' share in professional education would be roughly in proportion to their population share, that is, between one fourth and one third."

Would urge alumni to read the last issue of Outlook Magazine to understand the benefits of Affirmitive Action in the US in their ivy league colleges whom we want to emulate.

Best Regards,

ABC
A big apology to ABC and all the others who may please forgive me for my inability to look at the bigger picture given my rather limited vision ; and take into consideration just the inane banality of the way reservations are planned (or being) implmented.

Assuming that given the historic lack of affirmative action to the social classes that have been denied the opportunity to be at par (at least in terms of education) with the so called plethora of opportunities that the (so called) elite social classes aspire for; why is it that the additonal 27% of reservations are exclusive to OBCs and not form an inclusive part of the entire seat distribution ?

To elucidate, let's say that the top JEE or CAT ranker is from a OBC class, shouldn't it be that this newly promulgated inclusive affirmatime action count this top ranker as a part of the newly derived socially inclusive category?

Should't the focus of this newly formed category be on ensuring that as long as 27% of the seats in the (apparently) elite institutes be filled with people hailing from this newly included category, the remaining open seats be open for all irrespective of class distinctions?

Can someone please answer this question (which apparently lacks to take into account the big picture?)

Views solicited!
 

Nikhil

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Well, I for one am not against the reservations completely....

What I say is this.... there should be TOTALLY 30% reservations not on the basis of caste but financial status.

And ok, in this present scenario, this doesnt seem to be happening.

At least of the seats are not fille by SC/STs or OBCs, they should allow students from general category to occupy those seats

To elucidate, let's say that the top JEE or CAT ranker is from a OBC class, shouldn't it be that this newly promulgated inclusive affirmatime action count this top ranker as a part of the newly derived socially inclusive category?

Should't the focus of this newly formed category be on ensuring that as long as 27% of the seats in the (apparently) elite institutes be filled with people hailing from this newly included category, the remaining open seats be open for all irrespective of class distinctions?
I agree with this!!!
 

Aces170

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Hi dip, I am looking for dates and time for the protest, hence please un merge the threads as my threads discuss more with protest then the quota issue. Plus this thread is aldready too long.
 

undertakerX

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People are burning themselves over this....may be someone should take inspiration from rang de basanti and do right by the country...
 

Darth_Infernus

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Y'know, I'm beginning to think British India was better.....:(

I'm only doing my 10th Standard right now, and I shudder when I think what other things will change by the time I get to 12th.

In India, if one party asks for reservations, then the other parties jump in the bandwagon too. Now we have:

- SC/ST

- OBC

- PoK students

- So called other backward classes

asking for reservations. I'm surprised the girls group has not asked for extra reservations yet. This country is going kaput. The recent events will affect its future a lot, especially when concerning the country's economy. I'm not going to say anything here, but it seems obvious that a nationwide crisis will appear soon.

And then, all the OBCs/SC/STs/Girls/PoK groups will fight amongst each other. By doing such things, the government is inviting genocide, homicide and suicide.

For that matter, its best for all the male general-caste youth of the country to emigrate from this country to a better one. There are lots of cheaper institutions in other places, all you really need to do to blend in is follow the rules. Thats it.

But really, if a non-violent progression was revoked by lathi charges, then we should fight back. Next time police comes with lathis, we must come with our own lathis and beat them like no tomorrow. If all the protesters collected together, no amount of lathi-weilding police can stop them.

I do believe all protesters should meet at Delhi and do processions outside the Rashtrapati Bhavan.

As such, I'm trying to leave this country as soon as possible.
 

hmasalia

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A couple of weeks ago I wrote an article against reservations and sent it to a trusted journalist friend (TJF). The article was in the form of an open letter to the prime minister. TJF replied that even though the article sounded heartfelt and the arguments were valid, she could not use it. The reason, she said, was simple. She told me a lot of what I was saying had already been said. The case for merit, equality, Indian competitiveness was already out in the open. Her newspaper would not repeat the same argument again.

'What more do the upper castes want?'

I took her point and withdrew the article. However, it struck me that in many situations, the media will not cover something relevant just because well, it is not entertaining enough.

I had a call with another senior journalist friend (yes, I have journalists as friends -- I have no life, I know). We discussed the reservation issue -- on how it was practically more relevant to middle class Indians than any other issue. While the issue does get coverage, it has not ignited minds and galvanised the middle class. Somehow the issue is not getting as forceful a treatment. Fanaa's ban in Gujarat attracted far more media space for instance.

"The reason quite simply is the lack of a dramatic event. Ten years back, kids were burning themselves. Nothing of that sort is happening now. And the media is so immune now, to get them interested young people need to do more", was what she told me.

I am not here to do moral posturing. And I do respect her opinion. So I will not go into the "Media these days" rant. I will only take some lessons from a senior person in the media and try to give some tips to the activists to make sure their protests are more effective. After all, the point of making a noise is to be heard. And to be heard, one doesn't have to burn himself -- that is foolish and a one-time flash in the pan. If you want to do an effective protest, learn from the past masters -- and who better than Mahatma Gandhi.

A lot of rage, a little Rang De

In photographs, Mahatma Gandhi is a frail, saintly figure. However, what is often ignored is his magical ability to make a point and attract attention. He had no advertising budgets or PR managers. There were very few media outlets then. And he had only one, constant -- freedom. Yet, he dominated media space for decades and ultimately won. There is no reason why we cannot learn a few tips from him, some of which I list below. And you can get these checked by any media professional; they would tend to agree that this is a way to get yourself heard.

1. Keep a visual -- This is vital in today's multimedia world. Newspapers need to be colourful to compete with television, and a television is not a television without a visual. Gandhi kept a visual -- salt march (everyone remembers the scooping of salt), burning British made clothes, operating the charkha and more. Placards are boring. Do something else -- a huge bonfire, human chains -- be creative, make it easier for NDTV. They will come, I promise.

2. Emotions more than Reason -- Whenever activists talk to the media, always keep emotions in the forefront. Brooding anger, tears, banging fists is far more interesting than statistics on caste based demographics. Tell people what you think about the issue -- you are on the editorial page. Tell people what you feel about the issue -- you are on the front page.

3. Intentions more than Action -- This is a trick most used by our politicians even today. In reality, actions alone matter. However, our politicians keep saying 'our intention is to lift the backward castes', and they almost sound reasonable. Of course, the actions only divide the country and kill merit -- but they hide in the garb of purported good intentions. Protestors can do the same. They may be blocking traffic -- but harp on the intentions: 'But this is for Saraswati mata -- knowledge should decide'. (Think about it -- the politicians will be scared to take on Saraswati mata or if you mix any religious sentiment in your favour). Alongside, attack the other party's intentions -- 'they are only doing reservations for selfish political gain' (which is probably true).

The next partition of India

4. Don't hurt yourself -- Burning yourself or even hunger strikes are very dangerous tools. There is no guarantee they will be effective. If they don't work, you will be seen as weak. Gandhi used a hunger strike rarely, and only after he had decades of experience.

5. Find a simple, interesting slogan -- Gandhi always had a simple slogan. It gives two benefits -- one it makes it easier to pass through word of mouth with minimal distortion. Secondly, it fits into the limited headline space in newspapers. In media terms, this is called 'the hook'. The reservation movement has no slogan yet. Find one. My suggestions: "No suck-up politics" OR "India on Merit only"

The above points are important to make your cause heard. Ignore them and the world will ignore you. Play them right and the media is on your side. Trust me; the reservation issue has bothered a lot of people in the media too.

I personally feel very strongly against reservations, and I wish the agitators all the best. I give the above tips as my small contribution towards tackling this monumental issue that will take effort from all of us. I am writing this article for an online site so that you can forward it to all friends who feel the same about reservations.

You are standing up for fairness, God will be with you. Stay strong, stay inspired.

Chetan Bhagat is the author of the bestselling One Night@the Call Center and Five Point Someone. The views expressed here are his own and rediff.com does not endorse it.

Source: Stay strong, stay inspired