Discuss - Reservations in 2007
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superczar
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Some folks are totally incorrigible...
I wonder what is it that you find saddening about this?
Whether you love or hate the Nehru family is one thing, but what does it have to with them being Kashmiri Brahmins or Tamil Nadars for that matter
This is the first time I am wishing I had admin power on this board!
I hate to say this, but it sudenly struck me that if educated (??) people have such views, perhaps the whole reservation system is somewhat justified aafter all!
undertaker
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well yes thats the problem. even the most educated people have such views. One is always surprised to know that one has been living between such characters.
Anyway read this in yesterdays ET.
Its one thing to provide quota at grad level but at PG and that too institutes like IIM. HOw would one cope up with the level of education if he cant cope up with the entrance. Every year some students are expelled for below-par performance from IIM's. Well from next year on they will expel 27% of students. :bleh:
Anyway read this in yesterdays ET.
Its one thing to provide quota at grad level but at PG and that too institutes like IIM. HOw would one cope up with the level of education if he cant cope up with the entrance. Every year some students are expelled for below-par performance from IIM's. Well from next year on they will expel 27% of students. :bleh:
Not funny at all!!! Those seats are getting wasted!! This really makes me mad.... what is the freaking point of having more reservations when the current reservations itself are not being used properly ??Renegade said:Its one thing to provide quota at grad level but at PG and that too institutes like IIM. HOw would one cope up with the level of education if he cant cope up with the entrance. Every year some students are expelled for below-par performance from IIM's. Well from next year on they will expel 27% of students.
Damn morons!!! I really really wish I had admin power for this whole freaking country!!
The main problem is that the govt. considers SC/ST/OBC's as vote bank, because these people vote. Open category people do not vote maximum number of times. The only solution is that the open category people should start voting and make themselves as a voters banks. This way political parties will have to give some soaps to open category in order to attract votes.
Lets see this way. Govt has done reservations on the basis of population census. So the majority i.e. 50% is still open category. We can easily assert our view's and get the govt to notice us as a vote bank. Come on how many of you people have voted ?? I have not voted coz for me BJP or Congress did not make any difference. But now i have to participate in making this country a better one. The only weapon in our hand is vote. Even at the time Mandal commission first presented its report there were lots of hungama. A DU student even tried to burn himself, the photos of which are equally tormenting. If this uncivilised protest at that time did not have any effect then the civilised protests being done now will surely have none.
Its time we exercise our voting rights. Because you see not even a single political party protested to the amendment and are not going to protest to the bill because they dont consider Open category as a vote bank. We have to make them notice us. Even if we dont like any party we can always ask for Form 49 at the election center which is for such cases, in which you give your vote for no party because you find all equally bad. Give your vote in favor of Form 49 and then if all open category people have majority through Form 49 then surely there will be no govt. and re-elections. This will force political parties to notice us/Open category as a prospective vote bank and we may get some good soaps.
The best way to start this is through the state govt. elections because the central govt. elections are still way off. If congress loses some strategic state govts then it is bound to notice us/open category. This is the only way we can make our/our childrens future safe. So guys exercise your voting rights and make a difference. There is no point in going out and studying coz as said in RDB "No country is perfect, we have to make it better".
Still proud to be Indian...
Lets see this way. Govt has done reservations on the basis of population census. So the majority i.e. 50% is still open category. We can easily assert our view's and get the govt to notice us as a vote bank. Come on how many of you people have voted ?? I have not voted coz for me BJP or Congress did not make any difference. But now i have to participate in making this country a better one. The only weapon in our hand is vote. Even at the time Mandal commission first presented its report there were lots of hungama. A DU student even tried to burn himself, the photos of which are equally tormenting. If this uncivilised protest at that time did not have any effect then the civilised protests being done now will surely have none.
Its time we exercise our voting rights. Because you see not even a single political party protested to the amendment and are not going to protest to the bill because they dont consider Open category as a vote bank. We have to make them notice us. Even if we dont like any party we can always ask for Form 49 at the election center which is for such cases, in which you give your vote for no party because you find all equally bad. Give your vote in favor of Form 49 and then if all open category people have majority through Form 49 then surely there will be no govt. and re-elections. This will force political parties to notice us/Open category as a prospective vote bank and we may get some good soaps.
The best way to start this is through the state govt. elections because the central govt. elections are still way off. If congress loses some strategic state govts then it is bound to notice us/open category. This is the only way we can make our/our childrens future safe. So guys exercise your voting rights and make a difference. There is no point in going out and studying coz as said in RDB "No country is perfect, we have to make it better".
Still proud to be Indian...
chic_magnet
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i think your better of voting the first time itself.. elections themselves cost a bomb.. re-elections would be no different.. wastage of tax-payer`s money for a few dumb-asses!
and ya if you vote you would get noticed. i agree... but when there is a gov in power.. do they do anything for the benefit of the people?
the fact is there is no people's initiative. this is a democracy.. we should get out of the ideology that we would be happy to live under a dictatorship, surpressed and exploited!! you people are so wrong to thing that india would develop under a dictatorship.. its bad under democracy.. it would be worse under a dictatorship!
its not until people force the gov to do anything would they do anything. some of examples in mumbai itself is the people`s initiative to save mangroves.. the gov wants to convert all the land so that they can earn without thinking of the negative effects!! A$$HOLES!!
ISRO had launched a satellite to enable students all over the country to be able to learn without the need of classrooms and teahers.. i wanna know what happened to that??
a technology such as this .. can so easily change primary education. but then who cares? children dont vote... so no one bothers!
our politicians dont have any vision abt our future.. why would they ? if they can fill in thier pockets in the present , they would give a rat`s ass abt india`s future!
the other day i was watching ndtv .. and one madam made a remark that IIM and IIT grads go abroad and dont do anything for the country.. but i think they are better then our ministers. . cause they loot other countries whereas our ministers being indian themselves lot our very own india!
@amol. ok so we dont need non-voilence.. or a better way to say it... we need to be more aggresive in our demands.. but its imp we dont potray ourselves are naxalites or terrorists otherwise our demands wont be going anywhere! ..
so who wants a civil war??? a war against a corrupt, lethargic, lazy,inefficient,good for nothing, gov?
superczar
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Not true, remember Manjunath anyone....Thre are more than enough IIT/IIM grads who decide to stick on in the country !
Self righteous- me...nah...I am more of a MoreEvil-than-thou sort of a person
who boozes till 6AM , does everything that is wrong by-the-book and has very few moral hang-ups!
Nevertheless, there are certain things that get my goat, and biased/prejudiced people somehow come up on top of that list!
NinByChoice
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Anyway....people in chennai are joining the protest too. Please join the protest if you feel like it. Details below.
Youth For Equality, Chennai
Raghu.
Youth For Equality, Chennai
Raghu.
I personally think better to have a re election than a govt that wastes tax payers money for 5 years. How can u be sure that reelections would be no different. I have an optimistic attitude my friend.chic_magnet said:
You talk of people's initiative... and u are so uninitiated yourself. Just talking wont do anything. Exercise your voting rights. People have started doing something other than blabbering about how this country is worse...how corrupt the politicians are etc etc. But they just say all this and forget. Do Nothing. Some ex IITians have launched a new party in TN. Vote for them people of TN and bring about a change. I think the since 50% of population is Open Category then 50% is enough to support a Neo govt.chic_magnet said:
There is such a classroom available if u get time to check it out. But it is for PG and UG students. Live lectures from IIT's,IIM's , XLRI are beamed out to select institutions. Hathway has such a tie up and it provides evening classes for MBA from XLRI and IIM profs. I know that VNIT in Nagpur is a node and classes are having lectures by IIT profs.chic_magnet said:
Well then find such politicians who have vision about future and vote them and bring them forward.
See the only point i got in this whole thread is that Politicials are bla bla bla and our country is bla bla bla... But nothing positive or constructive has come out. I personally am optimistic. So we have to find some way out. Like said in Dumb and Dumber " We are in a rabbit hole... we just have to dig ourself out ". Other than saying that hole is so dark .. .bla bla bla... Just spend energy on digging ourselves out guys.
I know the chances of getting into top institutes are tough now. So what ?? Hell Tough times dont last but tough people do. Even if there is one seat at IIM-A its for me...is my attitude. Tough or no.. And i am going to vote for a favourable party. other wise Form 49.
chic_magnet
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err i meant it would be no different cost wise... whats the point in having re-elections when even more money is gonna be wasted??
and i still feel its way better to pressurize the gov that is elected ,to work ,rather then having elections everytime they feel like it!
form 49 doesnt make sense when there is public initiative to make the gov work for the needs of the people..
why would you want more and more money to be wasted in just electing and re-electing your candidate? you rather force the candidate to work for the betterment of the society!
public participation in a democracy doesnt end when you vote, it starts after you have voted!
i didnt have a voter id b4. have one now so i shall excercise my fundamental right from now on.
that`s nice to hear!!
but i was stressing on primary and secondary education. this same facility should be made available to them too!.. unless you dont have a strong background or a strong foundation you cannot really dream of studing in the IIM and or the IIT`s can you?
its difficult to have schools everywhere , to have teachers teaching each and every student personally.. this is why i asked about such classrooms, cause then that would enable students from far flung areas to obtain a proper education and also study further in our premier institutes!
this is were you can have financial concessions and "reservations" on the basis of the financial position of a particular child! ... just an after-thought..
maybe i cant find such politicians.. but maybe its us, the common citizen's and esp. those who do have a vision for a better society should come forward and help out the administration in its various activities..
our political parties are becoming more and more like dictators themselves if you followed the amir khan- bjp feud you would know what i`m talking abt.
its time they realise that they cannot just force thier ideology upon and take decisions without public participation(reservations)
who aint positive here?? we are all positive. we know this country will touch great heights in the future. we are positive abt the fact that the government will sit and take notice of the common man during those 5 years of thier rule.. and do something for the betterment of the society
we are positive that every student in the country would get the education that he/she rightfully deserve..
its because we are positive that we still love this country, they we are proud to be Indians.
@josh -- I am a very optimistic person. My friends make fun of me coz when I was lying in the emergency room with 2 broken bones and 3 big flesh wounds bleeding like crazy, I was cracking jokes and feeling happy that I can take temporary retirement from college :lol:
But when it comes to India, it is a gone case.
You say "Find good politicians".... no point. Evenb today there will be a few good people in LS... problem is that they are overshadowed by these morons. The number of people entering LS for their own benefit is huuuge!! the good people are totally ignored.
I know it is too early to comment yet as he has not yet become that active in politics, but I still have some hope for Rahul Gandhi simply because he is so young and seems enthusiastic.
In the end, all good people are trashed. There was this person called "Jayakar Jerome" who was head of BDA(Banaglore Development Association). He took the initiative and demolished hundreds of illegal structures and under him, a few flyovers were built and many more were started.
When S M Krishna was booted out of office, the JD(S) got Jerome also kicked out coz they didnt like him!! He finally ended up as staff member for S M Krishna who became giovernor of Maha.
You see, you need 1000s of good people taking part in elections at the same time to be optimistic abt our country. We should have a cut off for politicians. No one beyond the age of 65. Kick out all these goddamn morons.
But when it comes to India, it is a gone case.
You say "Find good politicians".... no point. Evenb today there will be a few good people in LS... problem is that they are overshadowed by these morons. The number of people entering LS for their own benefit is huuuge!! the good people are totally ignored.
I know it is too early to comment yet as he has not yet become that active in politics, but I still have some hope for Rahul Gandhi simply because he is so young and seems enthusiastic.
In the end, all good people are trashed. There was this person called "Jayakar Jerome" who was head of BDA(Banaglore Development Association). He took the initiative and demolished hundreds of illegal structures and under him, a few flyovers were built and many more were started.
When S M Krishna was booted out of office, the JD(S) got Jerome also kicked out coz they didnt like him!! He finally ended up as staff member for S M Krishna who became giovernor of Maha.
You see, you need 1000s of good people taking part in elections at the same time to be optimistic abt our country. We should have a cut off for politicians. No one beyond the age of 65. Kick out all these goddamn morons.
TOO FUNNY - PLEASE READ THE WHOLE MSG ..........Wipro chairman Mr. Ajim Prem ji's comment on reservation: I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century. We should influence ICC
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@nikhil Hey great to find one more optimistic person in this thread... Ya there are some good people like u mentioned. But they are also most of the time troubled with transfers and all because they do their job. Nagpur was totally transformed by the then Municipal Comissioner but then he too was transferred. Mumbai guys especially Thane people will remember their Municipal Comissioner who transformed Thane also, before Nagpur.
See i am very optimistic about this IITians party. Dont know why but somehow memories of Mani Ratnam Film on politics ( forgot the bloody name ) in which Ajay Devgun starts his own party. These are Neo thinkers dude. See this reservation thing has been a slap on our face. But if you take it otherwise then no point, but take it as a wake up call. Get serious and participate in election.
Also i dont know but somehow Aziz Premji and all force me to think that though govt. gives reservation to OBC/SC/ST but i think Private Companies will offer more and better to Open Category people when they recruit from IIT/IIM's because they know that this open category guy is better because he did not come under reservation so he has more credibility. Dont about all this but somehow this comes in my mind. Or let me put it this way if i own a company and go for talent shopping i will consider Open Category people not because i am biased but because i know the scenario.
Guys situation is not all that bad.. Just take this as a wake up call and do what u are supposed to as a citizen of India...
See i am very optimistic about this IITians party. Dont know why but somehow memories of Mani Ratnam Film on politics ( forgot the bloody name ) in which Ajay Devgun starts his own party. These are Neo thinkers dude. See this reservation thing has been a slap on our face. But if you take it otherwise then no point, but take it as a wake up call. Get serious and participate in election.
Also i dont know but somehow Aziz Premji and all force me to think that though govt. gives reservation to OBC/SC/ST but i think Private Companies will offer more and better to Open Category people when they recruit from IIT/IIM's because they know that this open category guy is better because he did not come under reservation so he has more credibility. Dont about all this but somehow this comes in my mind. Or let me put it this way if i own a company and go for talent shopping i will consider Open Category people not because i am biased but because i know the scenario.
Guys situation is not all that bad.. Just take this as a wake up call and do what u are supposed to as a citizen of India...
^^ Absolutely right. Just read in TOI today , Pune Edition about Lok Paritran using new means of reaching out to people. They have already started sending out Emails etc. And more and more exIITians are joining then tough not on a permanent basis but on helping basis. The party looks optimistic.
Also the new breed of polititians like Rahul Gandhi, Sachin Pilot, Milind Deora, Jyotiraditya Scindia, Sandeep Dikshit, Manvendra Singh, Akhilesh Yadav, Jitin Prasada, Naveen Jindal, Kuldeep Bishnoi, Ajay Maken, Dayanidhi Maran and Dushyant Singh. But surprisingly most of them have been educated abroad.
But one thing is certain Arjun Singh is digging Congress's grave.
Also the new breed of polititians like Rahul Gandhi, Sachin Pilot, Milind Deora, Jyotiraditya Scindia, Sandeep Dikshit, Manvendra Singh, Akhilesh Yadav, Jitin Prasada, Naveen Jindal, Kuldeep Bishnoi, Ajay Maken, Dayanidhi Maran and Dushyant Singh. But surprisingly most of them have been educated abroad.
But one thing is certain Arjun Singh is digging Congress's grave.
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