Do we have govt owned newspapers like other countries have?

[6pack]

Just like BBC, Al Jazeera, NYT, Washington Post etc does india have something similar?
Something where we can publish articles on how bad USA or UK or Quatar is when their publications publish propaganda on India?
Keeping quite is just backfiring now. Everyone thinks india is a loser country without toilets and rapey men and is always fighting all its neighbours.

I know DD exits but it's just news and entertainment and does not do information warfare like these foreign sites that are very successful in making india a villian. What is our IT minister doing? I wish we had more serious ministers than the circus now.

 

[ibose]

Not that I am aware of but then most papers here or abroad are aligned/backed/influenced implicitly/explicitly by/to one or the other party. By the way NYT and WP have private ownership. BBC and Al Jazeera are state broadcasters like DD.

 

[lockhrt999]

I don't think NYT, Washington post are state owned. Jeff Bezos owns Washington post.


In India, we have grown up with news media that has pro-India and pro-govt bias. It's very common in most underdeveloped communisty country. It's unfathomable to most of us to see news media that can be critique of govt or the country. Such news publications won't do any business here.

When we see news media from other countries that don't have a pro-country or a pro-govt bias, we feel it's wrong.

 

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We have WION that gives it back kindly to the west. Most of the people who watch the channel in youtube are foreigners going by the youtube comments in each video.

BBC will always talk trash about India. When India's first Moon mission sometime back in 08. Just after the first 30seconds of rocket launch video, they show interviews from slum, who will say its a wasterul expense.

BBC during Shinzo Abe funeral last week in Japan, same thing a minute or so on the world leaders arriving and then back to the usual protestors in Japan, who are calling for no state funeral.


Japan NHK channel who gives the video feed to all other international media, only zoomed in PM Modi, out of the hundrerds of dignitaries that visited from PM to presidents to king/queen.

But the same BBC on the queen funeral, no coverage on the protestors there, even people silently holding paper against the Monarch where shown the door by the police.

Media from the north America, trump supporters in DC are called terrorists for not vandalizing any buildings in DC. But thr BLM protestors who burned and spray painted buildings or called peacefull protestors.

Also
Mod edit: Please avoid giving a platform to hatemongers

 

[6pack]

Wion isn't making much headway. Our problem is everyone thinks they are very good people and want to be diplomatic and not trash talk others when they regularly publish articles on us. I'm sure even our newspapers could print pages of things that happen in usa or UK or UAE etc but none of them give it any importance. We are happy to demean our own country but not happy to fight for it. Sometimes I think Indians are our own enemies. We don't need outside help when our own newspapers do that job of bringing the country down.

 

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Wion isn't making much headway. Our problem is everyone thinks they are very good people and want to be diplomatic and not trash talk others when they regularly publish articles on us. I'm sure even our newspapers could print pages of things that happen in usa or UK or UAE etc but none of them give it any importance. We are happy to demean our own country but not happy to fight for it. Sometimes I think Indians are our own enemies. We don't need outside help when our own newspapers do that job of bringing the country down.

Wion when it does reports the facts like on ukraine russia war, they were banned for a week on YouTube. Only after a massive campaign by them where their youtube account restored.

Our newspapers just cut, copy, paste articles feom Reuters, AP, WP etc.

As long as the journanlists in India get their US visa, they will talk shit about our country.

In the US they even a propaganda department, which is used in times like US invasions, weapons export etc. Even hollywood movies are made with inputs from them, they shape the narrative since you are born.

As far as Indians are own enemies, this is true. We see plenty of them in social media.

Most Indian americans politicians talk shit about India. Look at what niece of the current vice president of USA say about India or the US house representative of Indian origin.

Indian-American Community Feels ‘Betrayed, Cheated’ by Pramila Jayapal's Resolution on Kashmir - News18

The community, which has strongly supported the Democrats in the US over the decades, is voicing anger and hurt over Jayapal moving ahead with introducing the legislation even though Indian-Americans had urged her against it.

www.news18.com

Many countries including the western ones cannot accept India being ahead of them. So those break india crowd will always talk shit about their own country.
But they are funded by external forces outside our country.

All those color revolutions taking place across the world starts of with the people who hate their own countries and is funded covertly by the West or their foes.

 

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It's unfathomable to most of us to see news media that can be critique of govt or the country.

It's rare to see genuine critiques. Most of the time it's opposition rhetoric because these publications are affiliated with those parties. And you will notice quickly with this lot that everything the govt does is wrong

The only people I trust with critiques are party supporters or neutrals and they can be searing. Applies to any party in any country.

Most of the time just getting my head around what the govt is saying and wants to do takes up all my time. They say a and deliver what? I want that to be tracked.

Rather than what they are doing is not worth it or bad or whatever negative you can think of. Without anything even getting off the ground.

Keeping quite is just backfiring now. Everyone thinks india is a loser country without toilets and rapey men and is always fighting all its neighbours.

Who is everyone here? the toilets thing is typical CCP bot fare. They used to have this problem in China and now pushing the line here.

There is a photo of Modi in Madison Sq garden from 2014 i think where he has his fist up in the air. Guess what he is talking about ? toilets. So the PM has addressed this issue right from the start.

The rape thing is just liberal crap. Guess what Assange's rape charge was about? he did not wear a condom. Apparently, the laws in Sweden are so effed up that you can get charged with rape just for that.

Always fighting with its neighbours? hehe, this is a recent development. And you know why. NOW we have enough artillery shells thanks to a certain Manohar Parrikar.

That's right. We had to grin and bear it earlier because we didn't have enough of them earlier in case things escalated and I do mean with the bloody Paks here. Let alone China.

Notice how we got more assertive in the last five years. Funny that isn't it?

When the Russians go on the offensive they go through tens of thousands of artillery shells PER DAY.

I know DD exits but it's just news and entertainment and does not do information warfare like these foreign sites that are very successful in making india a villian. What is our IT minister doing? I wish we had more serious ministers than the circus now.

You do it. We are a billion plus. Someone making statements sitting in Lahore or Kunming does not know. I advocated for this two years ago here and @psyph3r called me a mere keyboard warrior. Heh, no, It takes just one to push back and then you got numbers on your side.

What the IT cell types worry about are threats to stability. They don't have time for this trash talk. No one will be hurt, killed or blown up for it.

The bottom line is democracies or free countries suck at propaganda. The way I look at it is if people hate you then it means you are now a player. If you aren't getting protested or your missions attacked you are a nobody.

 

[6pack]

Who is everyone here?

Example: the people on reddit. Look at the replies on /news or /worldnews or even /space when its some news about india. Take an example of space. If there's a story about Indian space you always have some low IQ people showing up with the usual points about his India should use that money to build toilets or something else. These are not Chinese bots. Many of them are European or western accounts who see talk od toilets and india and keep repeating the same thing to get karma. Could be Russian bots too, who knows. If it's rape news (mostly from UP), then you can always see lots of comments about how backwards our country's culture is. If it's news of rape in USA the narrative is very different than if it was india. They are holding india to higher standards than usa probably, else why do they turn a blind eye to rapes in usa vs india?

 

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They are holding india to higher standards than usa probably, else why do they turn a blind eye to rapes in usa vs india?

Not probably, definitely. It's double standards and pure hypocrisy.

They can't handle a rising India. Because seriously how do you deal with that? So you get western and Islamist types ganging up.

What I notice is they never say which country they are from. Ask them that and they never answer. This they use to tactical advantage.

Apart from the usual suspects, I see Iranians getting into this inexplicably. Turks and possibly Ukis too.

As I said if you're hated it means you're doing something right

What is our IT minister doing? I wish we had more serious ministers than the circus now.

You are asking for a solution to what is essentially a protection racket.

 

[6pack]

I'm not asking for a solution. I'm asking why we are not doing such things to other countries? Give them their own medicine. DD should have a website similar to BBC and poke fun at brexit, their NHS going down the drain etc. I'm sure their govt will love it.

Just today in /all, there was some til about European farmers killing themselves. And no big newspapers even published that. But Indian farmers blocking roads etc needs world wide publicity. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

 

[blr_p]

I'm not asking for a solution. I'm asking why we are not doing such things to other countries? Give them their own medicine. DD should have a website similar to BBC and poke fun at brexit, their NHS going down the drain etc. I'm sure their govt will love it.

If it's done at the state level the govt does do a QPQ. You are asking for it to be done in the media domain. What the world's media says is irrelevant. What states of the world do is. And that is where we respond. To go further will require funding people who can produce the content you want. I'm sure there are creative minds available for this. I also agree it needs to be countered because a lie repeated enough times becomes the truth. Which is why it should not be ignored for too long.

Just today in /all, there was some til about European farmers killing themselves. And no big newspapers even published that. But Indian farmers blocking roads etc needs world wide publicity. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

There are people out there to get us. Info operations is something the govt needs to think about. It only works if it does not come across as such.

 

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Why was the ukraine thread locked, without any reason.

Some one here doesn't want the darling west to be showin in poor light.

In this thread the tweet of washington post double standards was deleted not once but twice by some mod.

 

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Why was the ukraine thread locked, without any reason.

Some one here doesn't want the darling west to be showin in poor light.

In this thread the tweet of washington post double standards was deleted not once but twice by some mod.

No idea. Create another, I want to track it with developments and how it affects us.

 

[TEUser2K1]

Dutch farmers' protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

‘Embarrassing’: Denmark forced to U-turn on meat ban for state canteens

The initiative had been part of the government’s aim to achieve a 70% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2030

www.theguardian.com

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nltimes.nl

 

[from_oblivion]

Other than AIR and DD, I don't think we have any state owned media!

 

[Emperor]

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[blr_p]

Just like BBC, Al Jazeera, NYT, Washington Post etc does india have something similar?
Something where we can publish articles on how bad USA or UK or Quatar is when their publications publish propaganda on India?
Keeping quite is just backfiring now. Everyone thinks india is a loser country without toilets and rapey men and is always fighting all its neighbours.

I know DD exits but it's just news and entertainment and does not do information warfare like these foreign sites that are very successful in making india a villian. What is our IT minister doing? I wish we had more serious ministers than the circus now.

If you want to understand this topic in depth check this video out

Cognitive operation is what you want. Requires specialists and has to be an all of nation approach

Something i forgot to mention. Apps ban in 2020. One simple move like that defends the entire population.

 

[Mr.J]

DD should have a website similar to BBC and poke fun at brexit, their NHS going down the drain etc. I'm sure their govt will love it.

Uh, I don't know how to tell you this but BBC has a program called 'Have I Got News For You' that routinely mocks the government. And on other channels like there are programs Mock The Week, The Last Leg or New World Order that are even more ruthless in criticizing government.

If our media did a fraction of what has been done on those programs then they would be called anti-nationals and have their building burned down.

Please don't get half-baked ideas from half-baked information.

 

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Uh, I don't know how to tell you this but BBC has a program called 'Have I Got News For You' that routinely mocks the government. And on other channels like there are programs Mock The Week, The Last Leg or New World Order that are even more ruthless in criticizing government.

I'm watching how all these news orgs toe the govts line when it comes to Ukraine. No diversity of opinion there. No opposition is tolerated. Even in the opposition party. I was listening to a guy in the UK from Labour talk about energy costs and slam the govt policy. Guess what happened. The Labour party, ie. the opposition party suspended the guy for saying that.

So what is so great with western media if it fails to inform people on matters as important as this? I would say it's a complete failure of the western MSM to inform its people. It used to report the news now it's about manufacturing opinion. This is where the term 'journalist' comes from. Terms like reporter and correspondent have long disappeared.

This is creating a cottage industry for those that can provide better and it is telling that people can give a coherent commentary of goings on sitting in their homes. If the established media can't do its job then social media will step in and fill the gap.

I don't bother with western media for the last five years as there has been an explosion of online sources that explain things far better and are directed at an Indian audience.

If our media did a fraction of what has been done on those programs then they would be called anti-nationals and have their building burned down.

Please don't get half-baked ideas from half-baked information.

How did those CAA & farmer protests come about then? What got people on the streets? to the point that the govt has to either reverse or hold course.

And none of these methods was democratic. They were about using the power of the street. In fact they were baiting the govt into crushing them which this govt did not do.

Watch how people like that get treated in Canada and now France and compare how we deal with them. Now if the Indian govt does this we will get characters from abroad telling is we need dialogue and how to be a better democracy. But nobody says anything when these people crackdown. And Justin has done that a few times already.

I think you will find yourself lucky to be living in this country than over there. You just don't know it.

 

[6pack]

lease don't get half-baked ideas from half-baked information.

Thanks for letting me know that BBC does those programs. But, this is just the BBC. How about Al Jazeera? Can they make programs on how there is rampant abuse of Asian workers in UAE without getting jailed or worse? How about NYT or WaPo run programs on the USA showing how there is a huge gun shooting problem there or about their health care etc? Usa looks like an undeveloped country judging by the replies i see on reddit on how much the people get shafted by the companies operating there. But their newspapers paint that country as the greatest thing on Earth.