Front loading or top loading washing machine?

I have never done a maintenance wash and just use powder, we rarely use the hot wash function, but the steam function 90% of the time.
I didn't know steam wash existed on IFB front loaders from twelve years ago. What is the model# or name of your machine? I'd like to see if I can find a manual

Can you post a photo of the front panel of your IFB front loader ? that should make things clear

if the machine gets hot enough I can see why you never needed a maintenance wash as it would never develop a smell and sticking to powder will keep it that way.
I guess I should expect another five years out of it and I can't complain as it's served us well. The key is not to overload the machine I believe.
Assuming the spider is fine, overloading or excess use will cause bearings and shocks to go before the spider.

Did you ever change bearings or shocks during the last twelve years?

The key takeaway with your use is spider failure due to corrosion has been delayed for as long as 12 years.

I've seen spiders fail in half that time and in some cases even sooner. Cannot prevent spider failure but clearly, it is possible to delay it.

I think high temperature on a regular basis plays an important role in delaying corrosion. Either through boil washes or other ways. Steam as you mentioned.

Only doing low-temperature washes will shorten the life of any front loader.
 
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Question for you : Since agitators are rare now (Whirlpool official site has no models with agitators) what do you recommend for the next purchase?
Is a front loader out of the question?

With top loads and a low budget, all you get is a two-movement wash action. An automated semi-automatic. No better than what your mother has.

Unless you consider a top loader with a heater. You will get better cleaning with those and a slightly higher electricity bill.

The Panasonic or IFB models linked here have a heater. Better to see these models in a shop to check if the tub is big enough.

Wth Panasonic consider the 7.5kg model.

You will have to check if service for those two brands is available in your area.

LG & Samsung top loaders to date don't do heating just steam. How that compares with a tub of warm water is not clear to me.

LG has a 6-motion top loader around the 35k mark. That is the best you will get in wash action with an impeller.
 
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Looks like it turns twice as much clockwise as the untangle counterclockwise turn. The turn is quite fast. How long in time is the wash cycle btw?

Compare that to this 16k samsung's much slower wash action

Check out this machine from the '50s. I've never seen an agitator like this, moves up and down but it works well to turn clothes over. Amazing :oops:
 
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Looks like it turns twice as much clockwise as the untangle counterclockwise turn. The turn is quite fast. How long in time is the wash cycle btw?

Compare that to this 16k samsung's much slower wash action

Check out this machine from the '50s. I've never seen an agitator like this, moves up and down but it works well to turn clothes over. Amazing :oops:
I don't know what you mean by wash cycle but PFA pic.

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Time duration of the wash cycle I meant. Seems like it is 25 minutes plus soaking time. So if soaking time is I dunno, maybe 15 minutes then it will be 25 +15 = 40 minutes

Or does 25 minutes include soaking time?
No clue, I just use it as per my whim.
 
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No clue, I just use it as per my whim.to
Looks like a 25 minute cycle. There are two options

if you turn it clockwise to 25. you get a continuous 25 minute wash cycle

If you turn it halfway to where it says soak, it soaks for ten minutes and then does a 15 minute wash cycle.

I don't know why they show 10 minutes as dirty and 15 as very dirty.
 
Looks like a 25 minute cycle. There are two options

if you turn it clockwise to 25. you get a continuous 25 minute wash cycle

If you turn it halfway to where it says soak, it soaks for ten minutes and then does a 15 minute wash cycle.

I don't know why they show 10 minutes as dirty and 15 as very dirty.
I never went by that. I go by my whim.
 
I never went by that. I go by my whim.
Well there is a correlation

Warmer water will clean faster than colder water

If you are using tap temperature water you need a longer wash to clean than if you used warmer water

In short with a top loader, the longest wash duration will give you the best wash quality. For normal soil

For heavily soiled you need to add a soak cycle

I knew about agitator and my geeky brain told me to get this one or fully auto not the impeller ones. It cleans a lot better, so much that my mom does not use her machine and only wants to use this one. They are hard no clothes yes but I use it with more water than usual and it takes less time was better washes. I even wash shoes, wrist wraps, wrist bands comforters in this beast. 7-9 years no torn/damaged cloth till date.
How much water gets pushed through the clothes determines the wash quality. More water pushed through the clothes gives you better wash quality in less time. That is the general idea.

In a front loader when the drum does a slow spin it is squeezing the water through the clothes. This is not there with a top loader which has to move the clothes through the water.

The question is how does more water clean better and faster?

I think its when the impeller/agitator direction changes, that is where the squeeze happens. The clothes are moved in the opposite direction. That pushes the water through them. It's at the point where the impeller changes direction.

If the clothes are moving faster more water will be squeezed through when the direction changes. Less movement, less water through and less cleaning.

Impeller and agitator both move water but the vortex created by the agitator is stronger and occurs sooner than an impeller. So it can change direction faster. Better squeeze. Faster clean.

If you don't have more temperature then you have to compensate with more action.
 
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This post from Dec '21 is henceforth deprecated wrt to Tide

I did write to them in Feb but did not get any replies to my queries

My location is in India. The enquiry is about the ingredients in Ariel anti germ washing powder as well as the Tide anti germ sold in India.

I would like you to give me a list of ingredients for both products as is provided by P&G in the EU and north America for Ariel & Tide sold in those countries.

Thanks


On Friday, February 11, 2022, 09:35:05 AM GMT+5:30, Consumer Care <consumercare.im@pg.com> wrote:
Greetings from P&G!

Thank you for the response. Before we further assist you, we would like to know the purpose of your query and the reason you are seeking these details from us. Are you seeking these details for knowledge purpose or this information is needed for any other specific reason. We will be happy to assist once we have received your reply.

Have a good day!

Regards,
Aditya
Consumer Relations
P&G India.

They wanted to know why I was asking so I told them

The purpose is product knowledge to understand tradeoffs between various products.

1) What do I lose if I go with Tide? What do I gain if I go with Ariel? Enzymes. Which ones


2) What do I lose if i go with regular Ariel over Anti-germ matic Ariel?

In fact, i would like the ingredient lists of regular Tide & Ariel as sold in India too.

So that is four products I'm enquiring about. All four are powder products.


3) Is there any benefit to using Ariel Matic in a top loader or twin tub over Ariel Complete?


4) Why does the instruction for Ariel anti-germ matic require three times the dosage for a top loader than a front loader? This makes no sense. Because Ariel Matic top load only says to use one scoop. so to use anti germ matic in a top load costs 3x more? that can't be right.

This brings up another question. Can a detergent be made to work with both top load and front load? or are separate formulations required?

Because up to recently that was the case. There was a specific top load detergent and there was a specific front load detergent. At least that is what one understood from the images on the packet. Pick the right one as you need but do not use the wrong one in your machine. There are good reasons for that.

Top load detergent in a front load does not clean well and front load detergent in a top load has the same problem.


5) Price of Ariel Matic is more than Ariel complete so what is missing in Ariel Complete? Just less quantity of active ingredients or also whether certain enzymes have been left out.


6) Do any Ariel or Tide products sold in India contain oxygen bleach and if so which ones?


Ariel Ultra oxy sold in the US contains none. How do i know? because P&G North America said so https://smartlabel.pg.com/00037000360117.html

But this is contradicted by the SDS from the UK for the same product.


Now if i buy that ultra oxi from amazon India what do i get? oxygen bleach or not

These are the questions I'm looking for answers to and the ingredients lists answer them definitively.

Thanks



On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 05:53:06 PM GMT+5:30, Consumer Care <consumercare.im@pg.com> wrote:
Greetings from P&G!
Thank you for the reply. In order to further assist you, we have shared your questions with our team and are waiting for their response. Your patience while we work to address it for you is greatly appreciated and valued. Our consumer helpline at 022-24942113 is open Monday to Friday between 9am and 6pm.

Have a nice day!
Regards,
Aditya
Consumer Relations
P&G India

Then they directed me to their US site for ingredients after telling them I was from India :banghead:

Hello

The website you mentioned is for US only. My enquiry is about Ariel & Tide sold in India. As there is no equivalent website available by P&G for India hence my enquiry.

I wanted the ingredients list for the powder detergents asked for earlier.

I want you to list the ingredients per product in your email reply to me. Once again the products are

Ariel Anti-Germ Matic Detergent Washing Powder
Tide Ultra Matic Anti-Germ Detergent Powder
Tide Ultra 3 in 1 Clean Detergent Washing Powder
Ariel Matic Front Load Detergent Washing Powder
Ariel Complete Detergent Washing Powder

And i prefer this remain in the email format as it will be less time consuming than speaking to anyone on the phone

Thanks


On Wednesday, February 16, 2022, 10:29:54 AM GMT+5:30, Consumer Care <consumercare.im@pg.com> wrote:

Greetings from P&G!

Thank you for the reply. You may access the link https://us.pg.com/ingredients/ to get information about ingredients we use in our laundry products. Your questions have been shared with our team and we are waiting for their response.
Our consumer helpline at 022-24942113 is open Monday to Friday between 9am and 6pm.

Have a nice day!
Regards,
Aditya
Consumer Relations
P&G India.

And that was the end of it, I got the 'we shared with the team and awaiting response' and they never got back to me. Didn't want to call up Bombay so let it slide :(

On a side note, Tide does now have separate detergents for top loader and front loader. It's either newly introduced or nobody knows. It's probably online exclusive as I haven't seen it offline.
Very interesting

Tide Ultra is for hand washing and semi-automatics. This has been around for long

Now since Jun '22, there is and in collaboration with Haier

Tide Matic for Top Loader
Tide Liquid for Top Loader

and

Tide Matic for Front Loader
Tide Liquid for Front Loader

Note how it states 'specially designed' for this or that machine and the doses are similar now with the corresponding powders

That's more like it. Looks like they got their act together since my post :D


No difference between Ariel & Tide liquid according to this and that review. If that were true Ariel Liquid would not be Rs.50 more dear.
Or is the Tide liquid cheaper because its made in Telangana and Ariel Liquid is still made in Vietnam :wideyed:



Now, the real deal that enthusiasts rave about is only sold in the US for $20 a 4kg box


We won't be getting that over here.
 

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I don't see a figure for temperature. Just this 'hot' and 'warm'. I looked for manuals for similar and discovered that 'hot' means 40 degrees and 'warm' means 30 degrees. The IFB models had specific figures. That American reviewer mentioned that the higher the energy rating the lower that hot and warm really is. The video review above confirms these temperatures with a thermometer. So you can see the same with this Panasonic.

Looking at the Panasonic 7kg Econavi NA-F70V9LRB, one reviewer posted the program cycle. It can handle 40 degrees at the rated load but 60 degrees can only take a 2.5kg load. See attached. There is something interesting happening here in the definition of 'hot'. If you run the normal cycle then 'hot' means 40. But if you run any of the stainmaster programs then hot translates into either 50 or 60 degrees C. This guy also says the 27k Panasonic he bought washes no better than a 14k top loader. Well, if his water quality is hard then that will be true. But if it's normal or not too hard then the difference between low and high-end will be more apparent. That is why water quality is so important ;)

So, if you can get a copy of the page where the programs are described in the manual you will know whether this machine can do a 40-degree wash at the rated load. I suspect you will have to use the 'hot' setting for 40 degrees C and the 'warm' will be 30. For a rated load. Which is good enough.
This got me wondering what temperature the water in my front loader got to and whether the temperature setting is really the temperature we get. So I tried to measure it with an IR thermometer. There is no way to get a direct measurement so the best we can do is measure the temperature of the glass after the heater has come on and gone off. The power meter shows when the heater comes on as the power draw goes up and then after some time it goes off. Let the water swirl around a little and then take a measurement. Water temperature out the tap was a chilly 22-23 degrees.

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The heater came on for a minute and went off, around 26 is the highest I got. I never wash at 30 so this was just to see what temperature it would reach.

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Would have preferred it got to 40 but 35 is around the highest it got to. This is my most common temperature setting. The heater took about 10 minutes to get there and then switched off.

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Not quite 60, around 52 at the hottest. the heater took a good twenty minutes to get to that temperature. I wash at this temperature every fourth wash.

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Much more of a gap here. 80 degrees hot is as hot as it gets. Takes well over half an hour to get there. This is not exactly a boil wash even though the window steams up.

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Finally, the tub clean cycle. Around 65 with 15 litres of water swirling around. Above 60 degrees is a sanitise temperature so I guess this is ok.

Was expecting temperatures to be closer to what is indicated but after several readings, this is what I get. I don't think there is any issue, it's been programmed that way.

If others have an IR thermometer post what temperature your machine gets to.
 
@blr_p maybe glass is reducing the temperature measured? Why not open the door in the middle of the cycle and check?
Can't do that with my machine. From what I've seen with YT videos where they opened the door, the difference isn't much (1-2 degrees) through the glass after the water has had time to swirl around and warm up the drum
 
Can't do that with my machine. From what I've seen with YT videos where they opened the door, the difference isn't much (1-2 degrees) through the glass after the water has had time to swirl around and warm up the drum
Still, I'll say the temperature looks correct. The temperature sensor must near to the heating element.

I think, I'll also test mine with kitchen thermometer. :p
 
Looks pretty good with a clear window. Just as configurable as the Sammy but also has a heater AND the favourite function so you can program it. Here is a review of the 7kg variant. He goes on about how powerful the motor is but didn't put clothes in there to get an idea of wash action. Still, credit is due for being the first Indian reviewer I found who shows wash action. THAT is how you review a top loader.


Steep discount by amazon compared to list price. It's a good deal if service is available in your city. What is the drum size though? Amazed at the size fiddling here between 6.2 - 7.5kg :oops:

It looks like 52 L which means your max load is 25 litres tops for the best wash. The manual shows you can load it more but that will reduce the wash action. Best to see this model in a showroom so you can decide whether the size is big enough. There are bigger variants available though the space increase seems small for the price increase. The Koreans do bigger tubs at 62L. That's the tradeoff.

So long as it is at least 40 that is good enough. Hot means 60, you need warm at 40 as a minimum. You can see their images are what I told you about enzymes earlier :)

Some people will mix detergent with warm water to activate it. But this is a small quantity that will get chilled when it's put into the main wash. I doubt this way is effective.

Did you know in a top loader you have to dose detergent based on water level? Front loaders are much easier in comparison.

I don't see a figure for temperature. Just this 'hot' and 'warm'. I looked for manuals for similar and discovered that 'hot' means 40 degrees and 'warm' means 30 degrees. The IFB models had specific figures. That American reviewer mentioned that the higher the energy rating the lower that hot and warm really is. The video review above confirms these temperatures with a thermometer. So you can see the same with this Panasonic.

About running costs, I've yet to see any real-world measurements when the heater is on. Looking at an earlier IFB model the manual says half a unit at max. Now my front loader consumes a quarter of a unit at 40 degrees with 5L. If hot for this machine is 40 around half a unit or little more looks realistic.

eg. That 8kg LG with 6 motion and steam I linked a page back has the steam option for two cycles. Normal and allergen cycle where it uses hot water but the rating is only for 2.5kg and not the 8kg rating for the Allergen cycle. So if that is the case then a half unit consumption at real 60 degrees is credible. Note the LG does not mention temperatures anywhere just steam so they're being coy as well though I expect steam above 50 degrees. Since I can access the user manual we get some idea of the functionality. The thing is I can't find any explanation of whether steam with the normal cycle allows rated load. It should but the manual isn't clear about that. If not then this is not replacing a front loader that can wash at 40, or 60 at full weight rating.

Looking at the Panasonic 7kg Econavi NA-F70V9LRB, one reviewer posted the program cycle. It can handle 40 degrees at the rated load but 60 degrees can only take a 2.5kg load. See attached. There is something interesting happening here in the definition of 'hot'. If you run the normal cycle then 'hot' means 40. But if you run any of the stainmaster programs then hot translates into either 50 or 60 degrees C. This guy also says the 27k Panasonic he bought washes no better than a 14k top loader. Well, if his water quality is hard then that will be true. But if it's normal or not too hard then the difference between low and high-end will be more apparent. That is why water quality is so important ;)

So, if you can get a copy of the page where the programs are described in the manual you will know whether this machine can do a 40-degree wash at the rated load. I suspect you will have to use the 'hot' setting for 40 degrees C and the 'warm' will be 30. For a rated load. Which is good enough.


Where is that location?

Why not check out their latest model? it pushes the console to the back so that will mean fewer problems with the controls over the long run and it's got wifi too with Alexa or google integration. If you use the phone then you won't be pressing any buttons on the machine either so that works too. It can track water and power consumption.


Can't wait for your review :woot:

Reasons according to the top loader manuals.

- mixing lint producers (towels, flannel) with lint collectors (synthetic or mixed fabrics)

- Overloading or the detergent used isn't foaming enough. You want a light foam on top but not too much to carry away the lint and dirt for that matter. With overloading, there will be not enough foam or using too little detergent or one that does not foam enough will cause this problem. To check you are using the correct amount of Detergent, lift the lid of your machine about halfway through the wash. There should be a thin layer of foam over the surface of the water. Lots of foam may look good, but it does not contribute to cleaning your clothes. No foam means not enough detergent has been used so soil and lint can settle back on the clothes or the washing machine. If excess Detergent is used, the rinse will not be efficient. Also, it could cause environmental pollution, so use it accordingly.

- the water level chosen by the machine might not be enough so set a higher water level. This can happen if the load is bulky but lightweight so the machine gets confused and sets a lower water level than necessary. I think this might fix the bulk of problems people have. Our clothes are thinner due to the weather so the machine does not use enough water. Top loaders with 8-10 water level settings offer finer grain control than just 4 water level settings and are more economical in the long run in terms of water and detergent. A mix of light and heavier items where you put the lighter items in first and then the heavier might help weight things down than if all the clothes were thin and light and just float no matter the water level. So you need a mix of clothes.

- Water not warm enough will not activate the detergent. No foam. Temperature below 18°C... will not activate laundry additives and may cause lint, residue, poor cleaning etc. In addition, Detergent manufacturers and care labels define COLD water as 26-29°C... If the temperature of the water in the tub is too cold for your hands, the Detergent will not activate and clean effectively.

You can be more adventurous with detergent in a TL than a FL. There is no spider that can break. If it cleans and does the job use it. Use too much liquids you will have to do regular tub clean cycles in hot water. Powders are low maintenance that way.

All about the look, you will have to recognise or adjust to get the water level enough, the right 'mix' of clothes and the right look of foam :cool:

Yeah, a little more fine art is required here than with FL's.

@tech.addict can you confirm?
So I guess the time has come to finally purchase a TL machine. I will be opting for the model "NA-F80V10LRB" just to futureproof myself and it also gives some additional wash programmes over 7 kg one.


@blr_p ypur thoughts on this. I did read that hot would mean 60C and warm means 40C. While it can't offer 90C as in FL, I think it should get the job done. LG won't offer heater in models less than 10kg. Also it won't serve any purpose with price shooting beyond 40k.

I did have FL in mind but with water availability for a limited duration and doubts over water pressure being enough for the FL, had to opt for a TL. I hope it would give a decent wash.

How's Henko as a detergent for a TL machine?
 
So I guess the time has come to finally purchase a TL machine. I will be opting for the model "NA-F80V10LRB" just to futureproof myself and it also gives some additional wash programmes over 7 kg one.


@blr_p ypur thoughts on this.
Looks good. The tub will be bigger than the 6.7kg you linked earlier. A wide and short tub washes bigger items better than a thin but taller one of the same volume.

After seeing the dimensions people posted earlier for top loaders I don't think anything less than 8kg is worth it. Hopefully it's big enough.

Can't find the user manual, increasingly I'm finding this happening more often :banghead:

This is the V10 model, closest i can find is a manual for the V8, this one has a heater but no wifi.

I did read that hot would mean 60C and warm means 40C. While it can't offer 90C as in FL, I think it should get the job done. LG won't offer heater in models less than 10kg. Also it won't serve any purpose with price shooting beyond 40k.

I don't know about this model but the review I linked to earlier for the 7kg model measured hot in that machine as 40 and warm as 30. It only reaches 50-60 in the stain cleaning cycle which takes a smaller load of 2.5kg. Also it is stated in the programs list i attached in the earlier post.

Looking for reviews i found this one and grabbed a screenshot of his energy consumption.

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Check the max load for these programs. If they get to 60 I bet it won't be rated load. Hopefully, they allow 40 for machine rated load which means you're good instead of 30.

I did have FL in mind but with water availability for a limited duration and doubts over water pressure being enough for the FL, had to opt for a TL. I hope it would give a decent wash.
Check service availability in your area for Panasonic. That is the make-and-break factor with appliances.

A 40-degree wash will be good enough. But you will have to measure that with a food thermometer to see what setting hor or warm or which cycle gives that.
How's Henko as a detergent for a TL machine?
I found the perfume very strong resulting in me reducing the amount of powder which then does not clean as well.

My preference is Surf as you know. I did try the Tide for front loader recently and it seems ok.

Stick to detergents that say 'for toploader' or at least display one on the packet.
 
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Found a review of this wifi enabled Panasonic top loader by my good friend Mr Vineet Malhotra. Going by his delivery I can tell he's a fan of fiction & drama. He chooses a product, makes up a script, punctuates it with emotion and drama and if delivered with an over-the-top performance it's sure to be a hit.

He calls it True views. So is it true or not? This you have to discover for yourself. This is where his ability to convince you will be put to the test.


The stain test he does with the ketchup packet isn't the best. Why?

1) Using a black colour clothes item to test for stain removal? I would use white colour

2) He applies the ketchup and then washes it. This is known as a fresh stain. You can remove any food-based fresh stain if you wash it soon after. With a front loader, you don't even need to use any detergent. Plain water wash will work on the standard cottons cycle on warm. A front loaders wash action is good enough to beat this kind of stain out. Maybe some one can try the same with a top loader. No detergent, single item and see whether it comes out on its own.

3) Ideally, the stain should be allowed to set for at least 48h to replicate real-world conditions. I don't wash my clothes soon after they get stained. I let them sit around for a few days or until I get a full load to wash.

I wanted to do a series of stain test posts but the problem I ran into is the control test ( that is without detergent, item alone in the machine) was cleaning the item and this applies to any stain with sugar. Tea, coffee, grape juice, Hershey chocolate sauce, and ketchup in a packet is easy peasy to get out even 48h later after the stain has set. You don't need detergent to remove this kind of stain in a front loader. It will come out on its own with the default cottons cycle on warm. So that project got put on hold until I can devise some stains that are harder to get out and actually need detergent to remove them.

While trying to find reviews for MirAIE enabled appliances I'm discovering it appears to be an India only thing. But Mir in Russian means world. Maybe it goes global after.


Fridges, washers & AC's can be controlled by this app. There is more, TV, geezers, fans, doorbells and switches too. I've had my eye on the doorbell for some time.


The app is developed in India. Last update was Dec '22 so its current. Highly rated at nearly 10k reviews but most top star reviews are for the demo given. Check the lower starred reviews to understand how well the app works. I think its ok. Requires a constant internet connection to work. Won't work with local wifi.

Koreans got some serious competition here now :)
 
Found a review of this wifi enabled Panasonic top loader by my good friend Mr Vineet Malhotra. Going by his delivery I can tell he's a fan of fiction & drama. He chooses a product, makes up a script, punctuates it with emotion and drama and if delivered with an over-the-top performance it's sure to be a hit.

He calls it True views. So is it true or not? This you have to discover for yourself. This is where his ability to convince you will be put to the test.
Not gonna lie, you had me worried in the first sentence itself. :p Malhotra Saar is bad at doing transparent reviews with the brand provided models. He promotes minute inconvenience like shorter drain pipe as a big con. I guess, everyone is a PHD in running this Boeing 747 of a washing machine.
 
Not gonna lie, you had me worried in the first sentence itself. :p Malhotra Saar is bad at doing transparent reviews with the brand provided models. He promotes minute inconvenience like shorter drain pipe as a big con. I guess, everyone is a PHD in running this Boeing 747 of a washing machine.
Trying to figure out his influences. Habib Tanvir maybe? Not Stanislavksi or Ebrahim Alkazi

I find he tries too hard and lacks sincerity. Like he's trying to reach into his personal memories and draw upon a comparable life experience but it's not working. He looks the part. He looks at the camera, he looks down, he looks up, he looks down again but his performance is not genuine. He should integrate the expression of the body, of the voice, of the imagination. Personalise it more. It should come from within.

Most important is to convey the truth, THE TRUTH of the product he is reviewing.

9 out of 10 reviews I find for this Panasonic are sponsored. One reviewer even mentioned this when asked.

This does not mean it's a bad product. They are new to the market.


This is an older model but this guy showed the dimensions of the inner tub. Works out to 42L (inner tub diameter 38cm x depth 37cm, square-ish tub) for the 7.2kg model. So the 8kg will be around 45L. Small but i guess that's what you have to put up with unless you go with a bigger model.

He overloaded the machine I'd not put more than 60% of the tub volume in clothes. Also, I don't know why he didn't put the detergent in the drawer, it would pre-dissolve as the water filled instead of sprinkling it on the top. The wash action seems ok from the little i see in this vid.
Still, I'll say the temperature looks correct. The temperature sensor must near to the heating element.

I think, I'll also test mine with kitchen thermometer. :p
Well, see how much power the Bosch consumes

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My power consumption for a full load ~2.5-3kg, wash duration of 2h30 at 40C is around a quarter unit and around half a unit at 60C. I think your Sammy will be similar.

The Bosch figures are double that and earlier I could not understand why. I think this Bosch gets to the temperature it states on the dial. If someone with an IR thermometer can measure it would be great.

The Koreans are going for more stars on the BEE label.
 
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