gopal_agrawal
Forerunner
Front loading or top loading washing machine?
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bhp91
Forerunner
Yes. I measured again but to be clear, I am NOT counting the top plastic part. Both the diameter and height are of the actual steel drum.
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Got it. So yours is 55L. Why? You have an 8kg LG Top loader
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There is a difference between 7kg & 8kg
Noted. This is a better size than the 7kg
Correct, as requested. At full water level, the water won't go higher than the start of the plastic part.
Then the volume of your drum is 44L. That is 25% smaller than their specs said.
They claim 62L at water level 5. Your water level on max will never reach past the beginning of the plastic part. You already posted a photo of it.
Ah! I got it now. They are mentioning the water volume at that level. That water will be in the tub which is bigger than the drum. That must be the top loader standard for specifying volume.
Not helpful as it is not the drum volume that a user would want to know.
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bhp91
Forerunner
Now you are just making me doubt my measuring tape skills. It maybe +- 1cm but yes, the diameter is bigger than height and yes it does look like that.
Here's a photo I just took (sorry for the flash)
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You're good. That is what the drum really is like. The plastic then gives the impression of a taller but unusable space.
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Without your measurements, there would be no way to tell the difference in drum volume between 7kg and 8kg LG models going by the external dimensions
A 7kg LG top loader has the dimensions 540 x 560 x 925 (l x d x h)
An 8kg LG top loader has the same dimensions
Yet the 8kg has a 9L larger drum
Who knew...
A 7kg LG top loader has the dimensions 540 x 560 x 925 (l x d x h)
An 8kg LG top loader has the same dimensions
Yet the 8kg has a 9L larger drum
Who knew...
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Oracle
I saw your measurements, compared external dimensions with 7kg when people asked because they were attracted by the price and assumed it was the same size drum as yours 
The manual even says 8kg or lesser and shows the same water volume
I think 55L is livable, bigger is better but much better than 46L
What % of the drum would you consider a full load that cleans properly? Also, what is the water level chosen if you are able to tell?
150gms of Vanish or 100gms Labogens with hot water meaning water at minimum of 50 degrees
The manual even says 8kg or lesser and shows the same water volume
I think 55L is livable, bigger is better but much better than 46L
What % of the drum would you consider a full load that cleans properly? Also, what is the water level chosen if you are able to tell?
But you will need to use percarbonate at least once every three months as described here
150gms of Vanish or 100gms Labogens with hot water meaning water at minimum of 50 degrees
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bhp91
Forerunner
I am not an expert when it comes to this. Typically, the water level is between 5-7 from 10 and it cleans properly imo
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Oracle
I meant dry clothes. How much can you load the machine up and be satisfied with the wash? before the water comes in
50%, 60% or more. How much do you consider to be a full load
I have a test kit to measure PH and other stuff. It stays stable at 8.2 in one tank and 8.4 in the main one. I do nothing to change it.
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Do you have a link to that kit?
It's already there
2015
2018
2022
Last one deals with handwash powders. 2015 is the most relevant for machines. I was expecting them to do one for liquids but still not there.
They use this term 'weightage' for scoring and it changes over the years so I don't know how to compare powders from different years
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Wow. I never expected govt documents could look that decent. It's a lot of information. Will need more time though.
Coming to think of it, now I'm wondering what else are they testing.
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Lots of things
Home | Department of Consumer Affairs | Ministry of Consumer Affairs Food and Public Distribution | Government of India
Department of Consumer Affairs, Ministry of Consumer Affairs, Food and Public Distribution, Government of India
How useful is the question? Helpful yeah, anything more?
TinTinSnowy
Herald
They are doing a great job. I got to know about these tests in 2013 when I was looking to compare drinks like Bournvita, Horlicks, etc. https://consumeraffairs.nic.in/sites/default/files/file-uploads/ctocpas/Health_Drink.pdf
Through google special search there seems to be even more tests.Lots of things
How useful is the question? Helpful yeah, anything more?Home | Department of Consumer Affairs | Ministry of Consumer Affairs Food and Public Distribution | Government of India
Department of Consumer Affairs, Ministry of Consumer Affairs, Food and Public Distribution, Government of Indiaconsumeraffairs.nic.in
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With the washing powders they tested, I'd have preferred they test for the presence of enzymes and which kind were present. That has a direct bearing on how well any powder can deal with stains and more importantly the kind of stains.
They have this parameter 'active alkalinity'? no pH is mentioned. What does it mean then?
What use is 15%, 20% or 30% in terms of alkalinity to the consumer? More is better. ya
Then there is lather.
Wait, what? I don't want high foam generation in a front loader. I want close to none. They say Surf excel matic generates the most foam and Ariel the least.
This is the exact opposite in my experience. Surf generates half the foam of Ariel. Ariel does clear up by the end of the second rinse though. My preference is for Surf on this parameter alone.
Then, about perfume. I can't tell by what they said whether I would pick one over another based on what they said.
Moisture content? What does that do for me?
The only somewhat useful parameter there is 'active ingredients. The detergent that has the most will clean the best. And you get what you pay for here. But the lack of specificity is to be noted. A detergent that has more surfactants and the greatest variety of enzymes will clean the best. There is no mention of that.
My final gripe is they provide a DIY detergent recipe at the end. Very important to note this is strictly for hand washing. This detergent will not work in a machine as it contains no surfactants. The difference between handwash detergents & machine wash is hand wash works by friction in the hands. There is no friction in a washing machine hence to clean the detergent must contain surfactants. A top loader cleans by stirring. A front loader by tumble action, like gently beating the clothes. No friction with either.
Using a handwash detergent will not clean well in a machine. It is meant to be used by hand only. From this you can also conclude hand wash detergents must not be used in a top load either unless explicitly mentioned. Even then if you get dingy whites that is the sign of a detergent that is not suited for a machine.
No mention of this in their write-up but I suppose one can assume it since they talk about putting it in a bucket.
I will leave you with one killer quote. Before Dyson got into vacuums, he tried to make a washing machine. Early 2000's
So he had the bright idea of creating a machine with drums that rotate in opposite directions. Cleans better the research showed. The CR01 Contrarotator. Sold for just over a thousand pounds. It had to. It was two machines in one.
It was a flop.
The CR01 is now a case study of how not to engineer products.
Watch this for more
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Yes. The testing looks a bit flawed. And if you look at the scores, you'll see most of the tests have scores within the range of 10-20% only. The best is only 10-20% better than the worst, in most tests.
Take example of that horlicks, bournvita etc drinks comparison. They have given more weightage to sugar than, say, protein. Moreover, how having addictive substance in children's drink is a positive thing at all? They should have given negative weightage to sugar.
Maybe they didn't want to pissoff any brand.
Take example of that horlicks, bournvita etc drinks comparison. They have given more weightage to sugar than, say, protein. Moreover, how having addictive substance in children's drink is a positive thing at all? They should have given negative weightage to sugar.
Maybe they didn't want to pissoff any brand.
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This kit will measure PH upto 7.6, if your tap water PH is more you will need
What is going on in your head with all these detergents? I am very curious
