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Seems sufficient for my loads, as I mentioned it's used 2-3 times a week, so Quick 30 is good enough.

Why are you running more short cycles than one proper full load?

I wouldn't discount it just for refreshing as the extra rinse with temp increase takes around 42min and my clothes have been coming out clean and no detergent residue for daily wear. Could be the clothes aren't that dirty, ofc if there are too many clothes then I'd move to mixed load or cotton cycle.

Lightly soiled does not mean what you think it does

Quick washes are, for the most part, designed for "lightly soiled clothing" now you are told that and no more but there's a little bit of information missing here. The missing bit of that puzzle is the explanation of what qualifies as "lightly soiled clothing" and the simplest explanation is that it is clothing that is "not worn next to the skin" by most any detergent manufacturer.

Of course this means that there is no sweat residue, no skin flakes, no makeup or cosmetic products, no skin grease and suchlike on the clothes at all or, at the very least, so little of these stains and dirt as makes no odds. A quick wash will almost certainly not remove this sort of dirt and grime and the worst of it is that a lot of it you can't see immediately.

We say you can't see it immediately as you won't for one or two washes this way and the clothes will come out somewhat refreshed with any sweat smells masked by the perfumes in the detergent used so most people just think that the job's done, but it isn't. What happens is that over time if the garments aren't washed properly is that the dirt and grime builds up and you get a greying effect and discolouration in the clothes. In other words, it ruins your clothes faster.

The other reason we see for a quick wash is to "refresh" clothes using the washing machine.

What this means is that if you for example, take out a shirt and it's a bit musty from being hung in the wardrobe for a few months but was previously clean, you can then stick it in on a quick wash and the garment will be "refreshed" saving the need to actually re-wash it entirely.

So far as quick washes go, that's it.

I use quick wash with new clothes. That's it.

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[Alucard1729]

Why are you running more short cycles than one proper full load?

Hey, thanks for the article, I do agree that a quick wash with a 15/30-minute cycle is too short for any proper washing, but since I have seen good results for now, I'd be more than happy to use the mix-load or cotton moving forward. The articles you mentioned need better/more objective tests with results from different washers, It would provide more weightage to their conclusion that a short cycle would harm the clothes as well as the machine, and without that it makes the article seem like some subjective ramblings from a repair shop/parts supplier.

 

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The articles you mentioned need better/more objective tests with results from different washers, It would provide more weightage to their conclusion that a short cycle would harm the clothes as well as the machine, and without that it makes the article seem like some subjective ramblings from a repair shop/parts supplier.

Didn't you see the swatch comparison?

Also there is a list of reasons given which should be self evident.

Those repair guys taught me loads in the ten years now I've followed them. I've yet to find a better explanation as to why not use quick wash if you want to clean anything.

The 'weightage' comes from their decades long experience actually dealing with the insides of the machine compared to what reviewers can tell you.

In the appliances world, the repair guys are the ones to follow. Exerienced ones who know what they're talking about. I've not found too many in the demo videos that would even qualify. The guy who came to install my machine was a complete joker. More interested in selling me junk I didn't need which I turned down.

They can repair the machine just fine but not explain how the problem happened and how to avoid it in the future. That is very hard.

but since I have seen good results for now,

You won't see it in the first few washes but over time it will build up and you don't get clean clothes.

I notice a few people here falling for this quick wash trap.

But as for a best "fast wash "on any modern machine, well, there isn't one that does what people think it does.

It's a trick to sell the machine. If one has it they all need it and without knowledge of whay you are doing the sales literature looks enticing.

 

[Alucard1729]

Didn't you see the swatch comparison?

Yup, saw that and felt that more data is required in terms of the washer type, model, and extension of the test with more recent washers from different brands and compare how the fast method has fared through the years.

The 'weightage' comes from their decades long experience actually dealing with the insides of the machine compared to what reviewers can tell you.

A company dealing with spares and repairs can indeed guide people better with how to use the machine but the articles are quite outdated, they pinpointed the Bosch model for the 15 min cycle, but machines these days like the LG washer with their programmable wash cycle, increment the time as more options are added. I'd be interested in knowing how these new machines in the market would fare using the swatch for testing washing performance with their 14+ modes XD.

You won't see it in the first few washes but over time it will build up and you don't get clean clothes.

Noted, as I said it's early days, and I just posted to share my experience with this model that's quite popular. For me, even the Quick 30+rinse with temperature bump gave good results for small loads and that might surely change as time goes on, and the articles served as a good precautionary warning, anything more than that would require more evidence-based research to convince people.

 

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Yup, saw that and felt that more data is required in terms of the washer type, model, and extension of the test with more recent washers from different brands and compare how the fast method has fared through the years.

I understood it in a relative way.

Take any brand or model. The regular default cycle will always be preferable to whatever quick wash program available

A company dealing with spares and repairs can indeed guide people better with how to use the machine but the articles are quite outdated, they pinpointed the Bosch model for the 15 min cycle, but machines these days like the LG washer with their programmable wash cycle, increment the time as more options are added.

The time increase is to just to heat the water. The increased wash duration is still insufficient.

Quick wash won't increase time based on load like the regular cycles. You may have noticed wash durations vary depending on load size with the cottons/mixed cycle. A feature that makes me recommend LG over others because even the base models like mine have it.

The LG has a more effective quick wash cycle than Bosch but it's still too short compared to the regular cottons program. Time the wash cycle components of both programs. How many rinse cycles.

Can't remember if quick wash uses one or two. I don't have the rinse+ option on mine for that extra rinse. Time increases again but that's because an extra rinse cycle was added. You wash cycle duration remains the same.

I'd be interested in knowing how these new machines in the market would fare using the swatch for testing washing performance with their 14+ modes XD.

That would be complicated to do. The swatch is cotton so the cottons cycle would clean it better than say the delicates cycle. This doesn't mean the delicates cycle cant clean delicates well but there will be a limit to stain removal due to lack of agitation between the two cycles.

The various cycles are designed to best handle whatever specific fabric you wash. A Cottons cycle will be more intense than the mixed cycle because cotton can take more of a beating. Same thing with the Delicates/Wool program.

What will make a difference is wash temperature. They have done a test like that and were startled with the results between brands.

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I think this is a UK specific thing because they test energy efficiency based on the 60 degree cycle. To get those certifications a degree of cheating is taking place. Shorter duration washes and temperatures not quite getting to 60. Resulting in a poorer wash.

But in India and BEE its done with the cold wash. Which makes no sense to me. You could still get variations based on different brands. The differences may not be visible to the naked eye. Detergent companies use a color spectrophotometer to gauge improvements between formulas. So to claim 'new and improved formula' and charge more they will compare like this and show a quantifiable improvement. But this improvement may not be apparent to the naked eye.

Noted, as I said it's early days, and I just posted to share my experience with this model that's quite popular. For me, even the Quick 30+rinse with temperature bump gave good results for small loads and that might surely change as time goes on, and the articles served as a good precautionary warning, anything more than that would require more evidence-based research to convince people.

You didn't answer why you were running more short cycles than a regular large one.

Your 11kg has a bigger drum for this purpose.

 

[Alucard1729]

You didn't answer why you were running more short cycles than a regular large one.

Cause I need my clothes cleaned every other day in the past couple of weeks. Now this could be mine or someone from family. A large cycle would be needed only on the weekends for me. I'm still in the experimenting stage with my machine, coming to conclusion for my needs and forming of habits will take time.

With good precautionary points you have raised has been duely noted and will surely help in subverting the issues that stemmed from using these short cycles.
The information on wash cycles is well understood to me, no need for more regurgitation.
Since quite a few of the members have bought these new Ai+DD machines, it'd be nice to see how theirs work in the long run. More members can comment on how their machines have performed with different cycles, paving way for a better comparative results for similar models of washers.

 

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Cause I need my clothes cleaned every other day in the past couple of weeks. Now this could be mine or someone from family.

If it's a temporary thing then you may get away provided the same items end up in a regular wash at some point?

But if these items never see a regular wash or not for a while then it's not so good.

All I'm saying is don't make a habit of using quick wash unless absolutely necessary.

Since quite a few of the members have bought these new Ai+DD machines, it'd be nice to see how theirs work in the long run.

I'm interested in knowing whether they noticed a difference with this AI thing. I suspect not because its sole purpose is to get you the same result but with less fabric damage.

More members can comment on how their machines have performed with different cycles, paving way for a better comparative results for similar models of washers.

Who wants to take this up?

Been waiting for a review from @rockstah

 

[Snappy]

Opening door dia of both 140 and 120 series are same. Higher inside drum dia enhances the water exposure to clothes resulting in faster wash and Easy Add Item feature. Even clothes drying is slightly better given they end up experiencing higher torque at same RPM. That's why I didn't notice any difference between my 1200 RPM clothes and my neighbour's old LG's 1400, after so many observations.

 

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Higher inside drum dia enhances the water exposure to clothes resulting in faster wash

I don't understand your reasoning here

Even clothes drying is slightly better given they end up experiencing higher torque at same RPM.

More centrifugal force. Torque will be the same for the two.

That's why I didn't notice any difference between my 1200 RPM clothes and my neighbour's old LG's 1400, after so many observations.

You mean the clothes were just as wet after spin at 1200 as at 1400?

How much reduction in cycle time fid you find between the two for the same load and cycle ?

I never use the top spin speed to reduce wear & tear on the bearings. My machine has a max of 1,000 RPM.

I use 800

 

[altair21]

Why are you considering front loaders now when your opener said you ruled them out?

because some relatives convinced them that front loaders are the best smfh, its not like top loaders dont clean too, but since they want the best, they are willing to ignore all practicalities for it

Opening door dia of both 140 and 120 series are same. Higher inside drum dia enhances the water exposure to clothes resulting in faster wash and Easy Add Item feature. Even clothes drying is slightly better given they end up experiencing higher torque at same RPM. That's why I didn't notice any difference between my 1200 RPM clothes and my neighbour's old LG's 1400, after so many observations.

so essentially, both machines I linked will have almost same cleaning right?

 

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because some relatives convinced them that front loaders are the best smfh, its not like top loaders dont clean too, but since they want the best

I agree with those relatives. I don't like recommending top loaders unless you can supply them with warm water via say a solar heater. The wash quality is definitely superior with a front loader especially if your clothes are medium to heavily soiled. Light to medium a top loader can handle but the latter requires warm to hot water which you can't get with a top loader

How does the world solve this problem? Soaking

they are willing to ignore all practicalities for it

Old people in Europe manage just fine.

Sit on a stool to load and unload.

Forgetting to add things can always be washed in the next wash.

What other practicalities?

Clearly cost isn't an issue as it is with most who then end up going with a top loader.

 

[altair21]

I agree with those relatives. I don't like recommending top loaders unless you can supply them with warm water via say a solar heater. The wash quality is definitely superior with a front loader especially if your clothes are medium to heavily soiled. Light to medium a top loader can handle but the latter requires warm to hot water which you can't get with a top loader

How does the world solve this problem? Soaking

Old people in Europe manage just fine.

Sit on a stool to load and unload.

Forgetting to add things can always be washed in the next wash.

What other practicalities?

family specific issues that I dont really care to air in public, but suffice it to say, I know what's gonna happen a couple months down the line, anyways my work was to shortlist a few models for them and get the best pricing, rest they'll handle

 

[Snappy]

I don't understand your reasoning here

Imagine same amount of water filled into same volumetric drum having different diameter and depth. Which one do you think will have higher vertical level of water at bottom? Of course the one with lower depth and higher dia. Higher vertical level of water ensures better dipping of clothes each RPM.

You mean the clothes were just as wet after spin at 1200 as at 1400?

Yes. Cotton washes need only approx. 30 mins. of sun exposure to be crisp.

How much reduction in cycle time fid you find between the two for the same load and cycle ?

Anywhere between 13(min.) to 52(max.) mins. as per my observations.

I never use the top spin speed to reduce wear & tear on the bearings. My machine has a max of 1,000 RPM.

Another thing I found is that my machine is now way less noisy than my neighbours' at 1400 RPM spinning cycle. Clearly, wasn't the case right after installation. I self balanced it again after watching many tutorials.

 

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Imagine same amount of water filled into same volumetric drum having different diameter and depth. Which one do you think will have higher vertical level of water at bottom? Of course the one with lower depth and higher dia. Higher vertical level of water ensures better dipping of clothes each RPM.

Do you notice the water level is higher in your machine compared to your neighbours for the same program ?

That would confirm what you said above.

Yes. Cotton washes need only approx. 30 mins. of sun exposure to be crisp.

The amount of water extracted at 1,000 RPM is a thimble full compared to 800 RPM

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Difference in water extraction reduces further comparing 1,200 RPM with 1,000 RPM and so on. So there is little benefit to using higher spin speeds and more stress on the bearings.

Bearings stress will be more with a larger diameter drum isn't it?

Anywhere between 13(min.) to 52(max.) mins. as per my observations.

That's quite noticeable. The people buying these new 47cm depth machines won't notice it unless they had or can compare with an older LG.

For instance on empty what is the duration of a Cottons wash on your machine? No options added.

On mine it is 1h10m. That is the shortest duration possible with the Cottons cycle.

As you increase the load it automatically increases to 2h30 with steps in between if the load is lighter or longer if its heavier.

Another thing I found is that my machine is now way less noisy than my neighbours' at 1400 RPM spinning cycle. Clearly, wasn't the case right after installation. I self balanced it again after watching many tutorials.

I've always advocated using a two foot spirit level for this purpose. My machine hasn't budged in eight years. That too on a marble floor.

Varies on cloth type. Full load towel type (thick ones) take max. 1 hr 48 mins. whereas thinner handkerchief, shirts take 1 hr 25 mins. all at default temperature and spin speed.

Not much time reduction then on empty. Does it display 1h25m or you just timed it. In which case my 1h10m will be the same or close.

The savings come with the heavier loads.

 

[Snappy]

Do you notice the water level is higher in your machine compared to your neighbours for the same program ?

Yes. However, it's very tough to view clearly through the tinted glass.

Bearings stress will be more with a larger diameter drum isn't it?

Definitely, if same type of motor with only different power ratings are used. Stress also depends on how well the machine balances the clothes before ramming into RPM. This is where LG completely shines over Samsung, since decades now.

 

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Yes. However, it's very tough to view clearly through the tinted glass.

Torch?

You go with tinted doors then this is what you put up with. I don't understand why we can't get clear doors in India for higher end models like Europe or even Singapore

Stress also depends on how well the machine balances the clothes before ramming into RPM. This is where LG completely shines over Samsung, since decades now.

The LG will try ten times to balance the load. It then will spin at the lowest speed if it hasn't given up.

From what I can gather about Samsung is it will try a few times and then launch into a spin which could be unbalanced but it doesn't care and goes through.

This will stress all supporting parts more as a result of poorer detection of unbalanced spins.

Don't know if the higher end Samsungs do a better job at detecting unbalanced spins.

There are ways to mitigate this when loading. Not 100% but better than blindly stuffing and crossing fingers.

Trying to evenly spread the items when loading and then manually spin the drum should give an idea if any imbalance will happen. You can then adjust accordingly.

Picked this up from Indian youtuber who used to do it with her older LG Trom which twenty years ago didn't have as good imbalance detection. Nobody has ever mentioned this technique besides her.

 

[Snappy]

Torch?

Only possible way. Dual refraction makes it harder. One has to explore multiple angles to get one best possible view.

From what I can gather about Samsung is it will try a few times and then launch into a spin which could be unbalanced but it doesn't care and goes through.

This will stress all supporting parts more as a result of poorer detection of unbalanced spins.

Don't know if the higher end Samsungs do a better job at detecting unbalanced spins.

With the level of marketing Samsung had with their new AI lineup and sponsored content both online and offline, I was almost convinced to get their 9 KG variant. Thankfully, my neighbour steered my prespective around some post purchase practical parameters. He explained how his relative ended up having a helicopter in house after falling easy prey to flashy biased promotion.
Immediately, I tried searching for same unbalanced trait if exists in my intended model and voila, complains were all over reddit and videos on youtube!

 

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Only possible way. Dual refraction makes it harder. One has to explore multiple angles to get one best possible view.

Try this

With the level of marketing Samsung had with their new AI lineup and sponsored content both online and offline, I was almost convinced to get their 9 KG variant. Thankfully, my neighbour steered my prespective around some post purchase practical parameters. He explained how his relative ended up having a helicopter in house after falling easy prey to flashy biased promotion.

I've see videos like that on amazon and it's always because the machine wasn't properly levelled.

That is assuming they removed the transit bolts. Because you get videos like that also.

My cousin got scammed into buying a stand because his machine was moving around the room after it was installed.

This video shows what other things to look for. Sometimes the counterweight can come loose and that causes the noise. Can happen to machines that have been in service for some time.

But for a new machine improper levelling is the main culprit.

Immediately, I tried searching for same unbalanced trait if exists in my intended model and voila, complains were all over reddit and videos on youtube!

Yes because when you don't use a spirit level as is the fashion in this country you are left to your own devices of shaking it and then adjusting. Sometimes you get it right and times you don't depending on how motivated the installers were.

That is not to say you cannot have unbalanced spins. By that I mean machine has been properly levelled but the machine will go into a higher RPM spin, the machine starts shaking but unlike the LG which stops, it will continue until timer is done

LG unbalanced spin at 1,400 but you wouldn't think so because it handles it well. The sound is how you can tell its unbalanced

Samsung AI unbalanced spin at 1,400. Much louder.

 

[rockstah]

Who wants to take this up?

Been waiting for a review from @rockstah

Sorry missed the tag, my mom has been running it only on cotton plus and another short refresh cycle, forgot the name. I'm yet to even setup wifi and checkout the extra cycles available.

The wash quality so far is good, it even managed to completely remove red pen/paint marks from a pant eventually after multiple washes. But in one light coloured pant it's not able to remove a deep impression dust mark that was left after lifting a dirty table.

I'm only seeing marginal increase in electricity costs so I'm satisfied on that part.

 

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my mom has been running it only on cotton plus

What is the difference between these two programs?



I don't have a Cottons plus on my machine. Instead there is an eco Cottons cycle that takes longer than the regular Cottons so I've never used it.

On other machines I've seen the second program apply to larger items like that like bedsheets.