WingZero said:
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Like has been pointed out before 8800gt makes sense only at 8k.
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He has less than 35 posts right now, no editing privs.
Like has been pointed out before 8800gt makes sense only at 8k.
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gamervivek said:
:bleh: my bad.... guess I forgot DDR3 around 1.5V whiles Gddr3 works around 1.8-2.0V
damn I am making too many error these days....
First calling a 810 and STC-T01 the same and now this :Comp3:
I Bought the following from Nehru Place, Delhi :
Pulse Systems
103, Skyline House, 85, Nehru Place
Palit 4850 @ 11.6k
CM 500W PSU @ 2.5k
SMC Internationals
B-10&11, Meghdoot Building, 94, Nehru Place
OCZ (800Mhz-Matched Pair 2 X 1GB 4-4-4-12) @ 3.2k
Computer Empire
205, Meghdoot Building, Nehru Place
Seagate HDD 80GB IDE @ 1.77k
Pulse Systems
103, Skyline House, 85, Nehru Place
Palit 4850 @ 11.6k
CM 500W PSU @ 2.5k
SMC Internationals
B-10&11, Meghdoot Building, 94, Nehru Place
OCZ (800Mhz-Matched Pair 2 X 1GB 4-4-4-12) @ 3.2k
Computer Empire
205, Meghdoot Building, Nehru Place
Seagate HDD 80GB IDE @ 1.77k
_pappu_ said:^^nice buy man...but should have tried to bargain more
Its not available in Nehru Place easily. One quoted be 12.4k, one 14.7k and all other denied its availability. Then I got this person who quoted me 11.7k and he himself sold it @ 11.6k
Thats pretty near to what was expected in this condition. So I just bought it.
48xx is a great piece of hardware and beats all of nvidia's current offerings to dust. No doubt about that. But come on guys, *nix support?
1. I had read the phoronix article last week. Most of the sentences in it saying "AMD is doing this in latest drivers from last week" can be replaced by "Nvidia has been doing this for many years". For *nix of course.
2. Where are my FreeBSD and OpenSolaris drivers?
3. Dual monitors? ATI guys edit xorg.conf and pray. Nvidia guys use a script supplied by Nvidia to set up dual monitors with xinerama on linux.
4. AMD is yet to support CrossFireX on linux. Nvidia supports SLI on linux since Dec 3rd, 2005.
Completely irrelevant fact: CrossFire was released in Sept 2005.
5. Out of the box support? Drivers on CD? Laughable. Linux kernel gets updated every 2 months. You need a new set of drivers. Slightly tweaked code to fit in with the latest version of linux kernel. CD is too old fashioned for this. Your distribution simply downloads the latest driver for you whenever the kernel is updated.
6. "The way it is meant to be played" might be pure marketing. But so is, so far, AMD's *nix support. They have been making a lot of right noises about linux support. But Nvidia has been supplying quality *nix drivers for a long time. I am aware of recent issues but most of them were fixed.
How many of you saying ATI graphics supports linux have ever tried to troubleshoot ATI drivers on linux? I have troubleshooted Intel/Nvidia/ATI graphics on linux and some BSDs for 5+ years. Take it from me.
It is you who are dazzled by AMD's marketing about linux support.
Guess who came up with updated drivers first when xorg released a new beta version? Before even the final release of xorg's new version?
AMD graphics might have a great future on linux one day. AMD has taken steps to ensure this in the long term. Publication of specs is a huge step that will make AMD's drivers near bug free, no hassle, super-performant one day. Nvidia will become a windows only choice. But that day is about 1 or 2 years away.
1. I had read the phoronix article last week. Most of the sentences in it saying "AMD is doing this in latest drivers from last week" can be replaced by "Nvidia has been doing this for many years". For *nix of course.
2. Where are my FreeBSD and OpenSolaris drivers?
3. Dual monitors? ATI guys edit xorg.conf and pray. Nvidia guys use a script supplied by Nvidia to set up dual monitors with xinerama on linux.
4. AMD is yet to support CrossFireX on linux. Nvidia supports SLI on linux since Dec 3rd, 2005.
Completely irrelevant fact: CrossFire was released in Sept 2005.
5. Out of the box support? Drivers on CD? Laughable. Linux kernel gets updated every 2 months. You need a new set of drivers. Slightly tweaked code to fit in with the latest version of linux kernel. CD is too old fashioned for this. Your distribution simply downloads the latest driver for you whenever the kernel is updated.
6. "The way it is meant to be played" might be pure marketing. But so is, so far, AMD's *nix support. They have been making a lot of right noises about linux support. But Nvidia has been supplying quality *nix drivers for a long time. I am aware of recent issues but most of them were fixed.
How many of you saying ATI graphics supports linux have ever tried to troubleshoot ATI drivers on linux? I have troubleshooted Intel/Nvidia/ATI graphics on linux and some BSDs for 5+ years. Take it from me.
It is you who are dazzled by AMD's marketing about linux support.
Guess who came up with updated drivers first when xorg released a new beta version? Before even the final release of xorg's new version?
AMD graphics might have a great future on linux one day. AMD has taken steps to ensure this in the long term. Publication of specs is a huge step that will make AMD's drivers near bug free, no hassle, super-performant one day. Nvidia will become a windows only choice. But that day is about 1 or 2 years away.
^^ tryin to spoil his happiness ehhhh.....:no:
AKAIK ati has better support for Linux than nvidia.....thr u go.... :rofl:
AKAIK ati has better support for Linux than nvidia.....thr u go.... :rofl:
There are lies, damn lies, and then there is marketing. "ATI supporting linux better than Nvidia" falls in the last of the aforementioned categories.
What basis do you have for for saying this? Do you have any answer to the more than 6 points I made?
My ignorance of the meaning of "thr u go" will not make ATI support linux better
. Care to enlighten? Needless to say, google disappointed me.
ronnie_gogs said:
What basis do you have for for saying this? Do you have any answer to the more than 6 points I made?
My ignorance of the meaning of "thr u go" will not make ATI support linux better
. Care to enlighten? Needless to say, google disappointed me.@morgoth:
You are implying one of these?
1. Only gamers need graphics cards: So, Compiz-Fusion does not exist? Nor do linux movie players exist? 10 graphical terminals cannot be started in linux if you have at least 256 MB graphics memory?
2. Wine HQ does not exist. Linux games cannot run better given better graphics hardware.
For implying either of the above you need to have an ignorance of elephantine proportions.
Despite this, you posted a link to the phoronix article I was talking about. Care to explain why? May I go and congratulate AMD's marketing department for making an unreasonable fanboy?
You are implying one of these?
1. Only gamers need graphics cards: So, Compiz-Fusion does not exist? Nor do linux movie players exist? 10 graphical terminals cannot be started in linux if you have at least 256 MB graphics memory?
2. Wine HQ does not exist. Linux games cannot run better given better graphics hardware.
For implying either of the above you need to have an ignorance of elephantine proportions.
Despite this, you posted a link to the phoronix article I was talking about. Care to explain why? May I go and congratulate AMD's marketing department for making an unreasonable fanboy?
bingoUV said:
Nope...
I am implying that ashfame needed a gfx card PRIMARILY TO PLAY GAMES and, based on what we know from reviews of gfx cards and the way these cards render games, he has made an excellent choice by going for 4850 instead of getting 8800GT.
As far as Linux and gfx cards are concerned, my knowledge is purely theoretical as I have never used Linux so far. Of course, Phoronix is one source on which I rely to know more about Linux scene. Now if it is saying that ATI has improved a lot I believe it to be true unless proved otherwise.
You yourself wrote "AMD graphics might have a great future on linux one day. AMD has taken steps to ensure this in the long term. Publication of specs is a huge step that will make AMD's drivers near bug free, no hassle, super-performant one day. Nvidia will become a windows only choice (why? is it becoz now it does not provide good enough support for Linux. After all, if AMD cards are getting better with Linux it does not mean that Nvidia will be routed. Are you saying no longer Nvidia's heart is with linux or do you mean to imply that now when AMD has shown what open source drivers - i use the term very loosely - actually mean, Nvidia's practices look like sham?)"
Now if somebody is looking to get a good gfx card for gaming along with a decent support for Linux why should he not get ATI's 48XX series cards? Technologically as well price/performance wise they are better than what competitor offers.
All said and done, why is it that you are jumping gun now when ashfame has already bought a card? When he was seeking advice, I did not see you posting anything about Linux and gfx cards. ^o
Poor guy never asked which graphics card should I buy. Read his first post and it will be clear he just wanted to confirm some things about a card he had already chosen.morgoth said:
Just for fun, I searched this thread for "game". And yours was the only post that came up
. I know the forum ignored words like "gaming", "games", "gamer" but it is an interesting fact.Along the way, he mentioned he needs to run linux. AMD Fanboys told him that yes AMD runs linux. Without understanding anything at all. Without any knowledge on the subject. You posted a link which you do not understand at all. Only this was my problem. AMD does not support linux better than Nvidia currently. I have proved beyond doubt in my first post in this thread. Ironically he was told that he is an Nvidia fanboy for this (this could be true in some sense)
This reminds me of the typical illiterate servant of a computer vendor. If you ask him does this processor has vt technology, he will say with full confidence that "yes sir, it has the latest vt technology, all other processors are useless. In fact this is the best vt technology processor ever in past present and future". Before anyone admitted ignorance, I knew that no one on this thread understood anything about linux compatibility bullshit that AMD is spewing.
AMD graphics in linux has improved a lot does not mean it is better than others. Read the article you linked to again. It only says that AMD on linux it now has x, y and z features. Without mentioning that Nvidia has had them for years. ATI drivers were a steaming pile of shit i.e. used to stink from a distance. Now it is frozen pile of shit i.e. won't stink unless you go too close.
Why nvidia will become a windows only choice? (Note that this is only if Nvidia does not follow AMD's footsteps. Or, even better, open source its own drivers. )I see that I did not make myself clear. In my defence, my post had become long and I knew I am talking to a wall as far as *nix is concerned. I'll elaborate a bit.
1. Opening up the specs enables people (anyone who cares to learn, not just AMD employees) to write drivers on their own. Most likely, open source drivers(ask me why). By this, we can have MORE features and performance than the "official" drivers. How? Graphics card manufacturers at times disable stream processors, some special instructions etc only in software. So e.g. a XYZ card and a XYZ ultra card have the same hardware but driver recognizes XYZ and disables some features. This is cheap to produce as they do not have to establish 2 assembly lines: one for XYZ and another for XYZ Ultra.
Obviously, open source drivers will not do this bullshit.
2. It has happened that closed source ATI and Nvidia graphics drivers have some security vulnerability. As their programmers are performance oriented, they do not have enough understanding of secure programming. These companies take long time to fix these vulnerabilities. Obviously, anyone who cares can fix open source drivers, or give a project to TCS for a thousand dollars to fix the open source drivers so that his million computers are safe from the vulnerability. Open source licenses generally force him to reveal this fix to the whole world.
I have already explained why I thought it necessary to correct the misinformation being spewed in this thread regard to *nix. I do not mind his buying AMD card. I don't own stock of either Nvidia or AMD.
By the time I noticed this, lot of damage had been already done. You will understand if I do not read each and every thread in its entirety everyday. From the title, it also seemed somewhat outside the area of my expertise and interest. I found some time today. 60+ posts in a thread are a sure indication of something of interest for everybody. So here I am.
[Phoronix] ATI Radeon HD 4850 Linux Performance Review
This card works nicely on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
use this driver --> ATI Catalystâ„¢ 8.6 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver
This card works nicely on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
use this driver --> ATI Catalystâ„¢ 8.6 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver
@BingoUV you are right about the fact that NV has been having better drivers for *nix then AMD. I have used *nix sparingly but in 2005 from totally non existing support from AMD to present their update cycle being once every month they have come leaps and bounds for their support of *nix.
If you are aware of the history, ATI was known for extremely crappy driver support until the catalyst drivers and their regular updates came about, at present AMD wins hands down in driver support for Windows, give it some time on *nix.
And the bottomline remains, Linux sucks for gaming, 3D cards main purpose is for gaming, hence it is but obvious choose a card which is better for gaming on an OS for which games are made.
If you are aware of the history, ATI was known for extremely crappy driver support until the catalyst drivers and their regular updates came about, at present AMD wins hands down in driver support for Windows, give it some time on *nix.
And the bottomline remains, Linux sucks for gaming, 3D cards main purpose is for gaming, hence it is but obvious choose a card which is better for gaming on an OS for which games are made.
I had heard bad things about ATI drivers on windows too. Though I don't use windows much so I didn't know AMD has improved ATI drivers for windows too. Pleasantly surprised.
I don't strongly dispute the bottomline you mention, and you have already read what I have to say in this regard. I can think of many good uses of a graphics card better than my intel X3000 in linux, so ordered a 7600GT
I will be in market for a mid-end, low power, open source friendly graphics card about 2 years from now. If AMD lives up to its promises, open source drivers develop with the speed I expect them to develop and Nvidia does not beat them in these departments, my next card could well be AMD. From what I hear 48xx series is not low power but their next series might be.
I don't strongly dispute the bottomline you mention, and you have already read what I have to say in this regard. I can think of many good uses of a graphics card better than my intel X3000 in linux, so ordered a 7600GT
I will be in market for a mid-end, low power, open source friendly graphics card about 2 years from now. If AMD lives up to its promises, open source drivers develop with the speed I expect them to develop and Nvidia does not beat them in these departments, my next card could well be AMD. From what I hear 48xx series is not low power but their next series might be.
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